Atheists want to ban the word "heaven"

[jillian]

This is America they are allowed an opinion even if you dont like it.


I bet you will survive the whole thing

I don't see much truth in your post. Yes, this is America, but the leftists, atheists, socialists, etc. want to have those opinions or beliefs stifled because they don't jive with their own opinions.

and the radical religious right wants to impose religion on people who either have no beliefs or have different beliefs.

both extremes are wrong... as extremes usually are.

 

[Dr.House]

The extremes are not the majority... Not even close....

Most religious folks I know just want to be left alone, free to practice their religion privately or publically as Constitutionally provided for... Nobody is forcing anyone to listen, but folks are free to do so if they want...

Most religious folks I know aren't out there calling for mandatory Bible Classes in schools, either...

So what if God is on the currency? So what if God is in the pledge? So what if the Ten Commandments are on some public statue in some park somewhere? Most athiests I know don't give a shit...

Is it really so painful if Johnny and Sue Public want to say a little prayer in a public place? Thankfully, most athiests don't give a shit about that either and aren't bothered by it...

When we start letting the extremes of either side control us we've lost...

 

[Si modo]

This is America they are allowed an opinion even if you dont like it.


I bet you will survive the whole thing

They certainly can have an opinion, but if there is action on their opinion, they stomp on more rights of the others.

I know, that is too complicated for you to grasp, but my post is more for others.

 

[random3434]

The extremes are not the majority... Not even close....

Most religious folks I know just want to be left alone, free to practice their religion privately or publically as Constitutionally provided for... Nobody is forcing anyone to listen, but folks are free to do so if they want...

Most religious folks I know aren't out there calling for mandatory Bible Classes in schools, either...

So what if God is on the currency? So what if God is in the pledge? So what if the Ten Commandments are on some public statue in some park somewhere? Most athiests I know don't give a shit...

Is it really so painful if Johnny and Sue Public want to say a little prayer in a public place? Thankfully, most athiests don't give a shit about that either and aren't bothered by it...

When we start letting the extremes of either side control us we've lost...

Yep. Look at the WBC.....or the Scientology folks....et al..............

 

[Uncensored2008]

LOL.

Yeah, millions dead is pretty funny.

More people have been killed in the name of God then any stats you could possibly try and cook up to meet your needs.

You are an uneducated baboon.

You have no clue what you are talking about and are spewing shit.

 

[Uncensored2008]

and the radical religious right wants to impose religion on people who either have no beliefs or have different beliefs.

I keep hearing this from you fascists, but I keep seeing the opposite.

As an Agnostic, I have a unique perspective. Now the atheists here have absolutely told me I MUST convert - some claimed a defacto conversion - I automatically belong to their silly religion by merit of my not following the goat herder god.

Oddly, I've not had a Christian, Jew or even Muslim demand I covert, nor attempt to claim that I belong to their religion. The atheists are far more belligerent and militant, shoving their faith down the throats of others and demand the government enforce their religion.

 

[Ava]

A group of New York City atheists is demanding that the city remove a street sign honoring seven firefighters killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks because they say the sign violates the separation of church and state.

The street, “Seven in Heaven Way,” was officially dedicated last weekend in Brooklyn outside the firehouse where the firefighters once served. The ceremony was attended by dozens of firefighters, city leaders and widows of the fallen men.

David Silverman, president of American Atheists, agreed calling on the city to remove the sign. “It implies that heaven actually exists,” Silverman told Fox News Radio.

But the city has no intention of removing the sign. If that’s the case, Bronstein said he may consider a lawsuit.

Read more: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims - FoxNews.com

Extreme, radical, fundamentalist, zealots.

How I wish the radical fringe atheists would just shut up and "live and let live. " The majority of them...DO!!!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

City leaders seemed dumbfounded by the atheists’ outrage because no one complained about the sign as it was going through a public approval process. “It’s unfortunate that they didn’t raise this as an issue while it was undergoing its public review either at the community board level or when it came before the City Council on their public agenda,” said Craig Hammerman, the district manager for Brooklyn Community Board 6.

The city should have thought of that before the approval process – they needed the input of the City’s legal staff, not only citizens. The City has only itself to blame if it gets sued.

but the leftists, atheists, socialists, etc. want to have those opinions or beliefs stifled because they don't jive with their own opinions.

Funny, the same can be said of rightists, fundamentalists, and fascists.

Even if tax funds came from the fed there is no violation of the establishment clause simply using the word 'heaven'.

Not necessarily – one might infer ‘Seven in Heaven’ to be a religious process, the dogma of ‘life after death.’ That is indeed conveying a religious message.

Atheist want to ban the word heaven and everything else to do with Christianity and I'm a bigot?

Perhaps not a bigot but ignorant if that’s what you believe atheists want.

These fools are trying to deny OTHERS an opinion, because they want to enforce their own religion of Atheism as the official religion of the nation - intolerant of all other faith and using the power of the federal government to crush other expressions of faith.

Wrong. Establishment Clause restrictions apply only to governments, not private citizens who may say what they please. And enjoining a given jurisdiction from violating the Establishment Clause is not a Free Exercise Clause violation.

 

[emilynghiem]

If they hold a charity concert, to raise money for legal defense funds for the families, I would be honored to donate this memorial song to their cause:
http://www.houstonprogressive.org

Provided the funds are used to mediate (to avoid litigation and expenses to the public) in order to resolve the conflict by consensus. And no one objects to the reference to heaven.

A group of New York City atheists is demanding that the city remove a street sign honoring seven firefighters killed in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks because they say the sign violates the separation of church and state.

The street, “Seven in Heaven Way,” was officially dedicated last weekend in Brooklyn outside the firehouse where the firefighters once served. The ceremony was attended by dozens of firefighters, city leaders and widows of the fallen men.

David Silverman, president of American Atheists, agreed calling on the city to remove the sign. “It implies that heaven actually exists,” Silverman told Fox News Radio.

But the city has no intention of removing the sign. If that’s the case, Bronstein said he may consider a lawsuit.

Read more: New York Atheists Angry Over 'Heaven' Street Sign Honoring Sept. 11 Victims - FoxNews.com

Extreme, radical, fundamentalist, zealots.

Heaven can be defined as any level of mental, spiritual or physical peace.
So resting in peace can be defined as heaven.
How is this Atheist allowed to define heaven as something they don't believe in?
Does it say on the sign what Heaven means?

 

[emilynghiem]

Whoa, why can't Seven in Heaven be interpreted to mean
Seven at Peace, Seven resting in Peace

Is there any law that says what "Seven in Heaven" has to mean?
Who gives these atheists the right to interpret it in such a way that offends them?

I interpret Jesus God and the Bible differently from others even the majority.
I interpret the Constitution to be my personal responsibility to enforce as a citizen,
which is different from the vast majority.

Do I go around suing because the majority interprets it in a different or conflicting way?
I get imposed upon all the time by people who disagree, including these people
who want to impose their view instead of seeking consensus that would not
favor or disfavor ANY group.

Maybe I should start pursuing similar lawsuits, just to mock these Atheists.

What if I sued to remove "Equal Justice Under Law" from the Supreme Courthouse
because "it doesn't exist" and "has never been proven to exist."

Do you think the ACLU would support that?
Removing all references to "justice" in the laws of the state, every court ruling and
document, since no one can prove or agree the existence of justice except by faith?

City leaders seemed dumbfounded by the atheists’ outrage because no one complained about the sign as it was going through a public approval process. “It’s unfortunate that they didn’t raise this as an issue while it was undergoing its public review either at the community board level or when it came before the City Council on their public agenda,” said Craig Hammerman, the district manager for Brooklyn Community Board 6.

The city should have thought of that before the approval process – they needed the input of the City’s legal staff, not only citizens. The City has only itself to blame if it gets sued.

but the leftists, atheists, socialists, etc. want to have those opinions or beliefs stifled because they don't jive with their own opinions.

Funny, the same can be said of rightists, fundamentalists, and fascists.


Not necessarily – one might infer ‘Seven in Heaven’ to be a religious process, the dogma of ‘life after death.’ That is indeed conveying a religious message.

Atheist want to ban the word heaven and everything else to do with Christianity and I'm a bigot?

Perhaps not a bigot but ignorant if that’s what you believe atheists want.

These fools are trying to deny OTHERS an opinion, because they want to enforce their own religion of Atheism as the official religion of the nation - intolerant of all other faith and using the power of the federal government to crush other expressions of faith.

Wrong. Establishment Clause restrictions apply only to governments, not private citizens who may say what they please. And enjoining a given jurisdiction from violating the Establishment Clause is not a Free Exercise Clause violation.

By the letter of the law, sure, you can do what you want, be a hypocrite if you want.
Corporations do this all the time, by invoking rights without equal responsibilities for the rights of other individuals, so this gets abused and causes a lot of problems that cannot be checked because corporations claim to be private persons with individual rights.

But in practice, by the natural laws of reciprocity, if we want free exercise of religion, we must respect the same. Free speech, free press, all these rights must be followed in context with the whole of the law including due process, right to petition and equal protections of the law.

People aren't respecting the whole of the law, and that is why things are taken out of context and abused. If you enjoy watching these problems continue, then keep teaching people it is okay to do that! Sure, you can argue it is legal to do it, by the letter of the law, but that doesn't mean it isn't unlawful or unethical by the spirit of the law. Clearly to respect equal religious freedom by all parties, the conflict over religious values should be mediated and resolved by consensus, so that all interests are equally protected and none are violated, imposed upon or denied by any opposing view. So if I were the judge in this case, I would order mediation until the parties AGREE how to handle the sign, and the cost of pursuing this matter, and any other costs involved; but it would have to be by agreement. Anyone who is not willing to pursue a consensus solution would lose standing in the case, due to a conflict of interest, so the parties willing to represent and include all the other views under equal Constitutional protection, are able to work out a decision.

 

[chanel]

Brooklyn is extremely diverse and tolerant. The city invited public comment. I would imagine if 7 Muslims or 7 Jews died heroically, no one would have a problem with a street sign. Ex. these loonies. If they are "offended" perhaps they should seek some intensive psychiatric help. Or maybe they should seek some faith.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Here we go again with people making connections between modern atheists and Stalin.

Let's not forget Mao and Pol Pot..

Humans of all different religious and non-religious backgrounds have killed countless amounts of people

Yeah, but none to the extent the Atheists have. By FAR the most deadly religion in human history.

Sad that you have to trivialize their deaths so you can score points for your team on a message board. And sad you have to take a 2nd attempt at stooping to compare modern atheists (of who I can't think of any in gov't in the world responsible for killing) to monsters from a totally distant time period.

You don't believe in God, so what religion are you?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Funny, the same can be said of rightists,

Really? So you can show me lawsuits demanding that JFK and FDR be removed from street signs?

fundamentalists,

So you can show me suits to have Darwin removed from street signs?

and fascists.

What does Obama have to do with this?

I assume you are just lying, being a leftist and all...

 

[RDD_1210]

LOL.

Yeah, millions dead is pretty funny.

More people have been killed in the name of God then any stats you could possibly try and cook up to meet your needs.

You are an uneducated baboon.

You have no clue what you are talking about and are spewing shit.

Solid response. Your doctorate is obviously paying huge dividends these days.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sad that you have to trivialize their deaths so you can score points for your team on a message board.

Sad that you trivialize their deaths so that you can enforce your hokey religion.

And sad you have to take a 2nd attempt at stooping to compare modern atheists (of who I can't think of any in gov't in the world responsible for killing) to monsters from a totally distant time period.

The fact remains that Atheism is the most deadly religion in human history. The Atheist states with open suppression of competing religions, have murdered more innocent civilians than all other tyrants combined.

Sorry, that doesn't add to the appeal of your fucked up religion. Now you have these Atheist fundamentalist activists pissing on the graves of 9-11 heroes.

I'm with Aqua-Athena; live and let live. But the ******* Atheists won't do that - they DEMAND that their religion be enforced by the state as the established faith which all must follow.

**** them.

You don't believe in God, so what religion are you?[/QUOTE]

 

[Uncensored2008]

Solid response. Your doctorate is obviously paying huge dividends these days.

Nothing to respond to, you are a moron.

Deal in facts if you want to be taken seriously - otherwise expect to be identified as the moron you are.

 

[RDD_1210]

Solid response. Your doctorate is obviously paying huge dividends these days.

Nothing to respond to, you are a moron.

Deal in facts if you want to be taken seriously - otherwise expect to be identified as the moron you are.

LOL. Every time I see your name, I know your post is going to be full of bullshit and hatred towards something. You're either a complete tool (likely) or you're just behaving the way you do because........nah, forget that, you're definitely just an asshole. You called me a racist in another thread and when I proved your opinion was entirely based upon the fact that you don't know how to read, you never responded. You're a pathetic old man, your posts are comical at best and the fact that you think anyone takes you seriously just makes you that much more entertaining. Keep posting! Please.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Sad that you have to trivialize their deaths so you can score points for your team on a message board.

Sad that you trivialize their deaths so that you can enforce your hokey religion.

And sad you have to take a 2nd attempt at stooping to compare modern atheists (of who I can't think of any in gov't in the world responsible for killing) to monsters from a totally distant time period.

The fact remains that Atheism is the most deadly religion in human history. The Atheist states with open suppression of competing religions, have murdered more innocent civilians than all other tyrants combined.

Sorry, that doesn't add to the appeal of your fucked up religion. Now you have these Atheist fundamentalist activists pissing on the graves of 9-11 heroes.

I'm with Aqua-Athena; live and let live. But the ******* Atheists won't do that - they DEMAND that their religion be enforced by the state as the established faith which all must follow.

**** them.

You don't believe in God, so what religion are you?

[/QUOTE]


I'm not trivializing their deaths, that'd be you. I'd love to see an unbiased link showing undoubtedly that the most people murdered in humankind history were murdered because an atheist didn't want them believing in God.

I'm live and let live, as are all the other athiests on this thread who say what these people are doing is stupid in terms of the road sign.

So, again, you don't believe in God, what's your religion?

 

[RDD_1210]

Sad that you have to trivialize their deaths so you can score points for your team on a message board.

Sad that you trivialize their deaths so that you can enforce your hokey religion.

And sad you have to take a 2nd attempt at stooping to compare modern atheists (of who I can't think of any in gov't in the world responsible for killing) to monsters from a totally distant time period.

The fact remains that Atheism is the most deadly religion in human history. The Atheist states with open suppression of competing religions, have murdered more innocent civilians than all other tyrants combined.

Sorry, that doesn't add to the appeal of your fucked up religion. Now you have these Atheist fundamentalist activists pissing on the graves of 9-11 heroes.

I'm with Aqua-Athena; live and let live. But the ******* Atheists won't do that - they DEMAND that their religion be enforced by the state as the established faith which all must follow.

**** them.

You don't believe in God, so what religion are you?

I'm not trivializing their deaths, that'd be you. I'd love to see an unbiased link showing undoubtedly that the most people murdered in humankind history were murdered because an atheist didn't want them believing in God.

I'm live and let live, as are all the other athiests on this thread who say what these people are doing is stupid in terms of the road sign.

So, again, you don't believe in God, what's your religion?

He's not interested in rational discussion. He wants to be an asshole and shout louder than everyone else while making his claims and boasting how much he is right.

 

[Sallow]

and the radical religious right wants to impose religion on people who either have no beliefs or have different beliefs.

I keep hearing this from you fascists, but I keep seeing the opposite.

As an Agnostic, I have a unique perspective. Now the atheists here have absolutely told me I MUST convert - some claimed a defacto conversion - I automatically belong to their silly religion by merit of my not following the goat herder god.

Oddly, I've not had a Christian, Jew or even Muslim demand I covert, nor attempt to claim that I belong to their religion. The atheists are far more belligerent and militant, shoving their faith down the throats of others and demand the government enforce their religion.

Well it's cool you don't live in NYC. Christians are constantly demanding people convert in the subways..on the streets and in malls.

In Nazi Germany..Christians didn't demand conversion, however. They just killed people.