Zone1 Atheists have nothing to say against faith in God

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Provide some and we’ll see.

1. The universe popping into existence in an unnatural way.
2. The only possible configuration of matter - in an infinite number of possible configurations - that can produce a universe capable of producing intelligence.
3. Living matter forming from inanimate matter.
4. Intelligence being predestined to arise according to the laws of nature after life was formed from inanimate matter.
5. Jesus Christ

 

[dblack]

But I do believe it is emotional.

I can't care.

 

[ding]

I understand your beliefs. I done been born and raised southern baptist, got myself dunked and the whole nine yards. So I know how it supposedly works.

It just doesn't work for me in any kind of objectively verifiable way.

I don't believe you do. Nothing is as it seems.

 

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I can't care.

I already figured that.

 

[dblack]

I already figured that.

I can't care because I can't take your opinions seriously. First of all, you're not intelligent. Second, you seem to be here, primarily, to troll and **** with people. I don't know why. I can't care.

"show ignored content"

 

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I can't care because I can't take your opinions seriously. First of all, you're not intelligent. Second, you seem to be here, primarily, to troll and **** with people. I don't know why. I can't care.

"show ignored content"

That's your loss.

 

[Cassandro]

Atheists would rather attack other beliefs than defend their own. In doing so, they intentionally conflate doctrine with empirical evidence. The universe was created 12 billion years ago, yet they persist in believing that humans are the highest form of intelligence in that universe.

 

[Cougarbear]

Maybe, but most of my friends are Christians, and they don't hold the persecution complex.

Separation of church and state is not an attack on Christianity, or religion. It's a very important principle of limited government, and conservative Christians used to understand why. I'm not sure they do anymore.

First of all, there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution. That was an opinion of Thomas Jefferson, who did not believe in the miracles of Jesus Christ. The red version of the Bible. The only thing in the Constitution on this matter is the 1st Amendment. The Amendment only states that the state (governments) cannot deny the rights of the people the right to worship and express their beliefs. Nothing about the state having the right to limit our beliefs and expressions. Nothing. In fact, the Bill of Rights, all of them, goes against the government infringing on the people's rights. Not the other way around. What the atheists and Democrats have tried to do is silence our beliefs, expressions, doctrines and God's commandments. There's a long laundry list if you would like. But, I'm sure you are aware of all of them. Including Hillary Clinton's statement that the government should rewrite parts of the Bible eliminating things that are against gays and so on.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are stupid.

You aren't getting away with any of this. I answered your nonsense with facts. You aren't stupid. Just prejudice and ignorant.

 

[dblack]

First of all, there is no separation of church and state in the Constitution.

Alrighty then.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jesus Christ

Jesus is a hoax. It is documented that he never existed. Go figure.

 

[GLASNOST]

I answered your nonsense with facts.

You contributed not a single fact. Only theists nonsense and superstition.

 

[Chuz Life]

I don't believe you do. Nothing is as it seems.

Did God tell you that?

Did he tell you to dismiss or distrust my answers?

Or did he tell you to just let your light shine?

 

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Jesus is a hoax. It is documented that he never existed. Go figure.

Non-Christian historians and Jewish historians wrote about him.

Here's the evidence you so desperately asked for.

1. The universe popping into existence in an unnatural way.
2. The only possible configuration of matter - in an infinite number of possible configurations - that can produce a universe capable of producing intelligence.
3. Living matter forming from inanimate matter.
4. Intelligence being predestined to arise according to the laws of nature after life was formed from inanimate matter.
5. Jesus Christ

 

[Hafar1014]

Non-Christian historians and Jewish historians wrote about him.

Here's the evidence you so desperately asked for.

1. The universe popping into existence in an unnatural way.
2. The only possible configuration of matter - in an infinite number of possible configurations - that can produce a universe capable of producing intelligence.
3. Living matter forming from inanimate matter.
4. Intelligence being predestined to arise according to the laws of nature after life was formed from inanimate matter.
5. Jesus Christ

Who or what is the creator of creators?

 

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Who or what is the creator of creators?

Asked like an ignorant biased atheist unwilling or incapable of performing a simple internet search.

Judaism teaches that God is uncreated to define Him as the ultimate, independent, and eternal source of all existence, existing outside the constraints of time, space, and physical form. As the sole Creator, God is not dependent on anything, meaning He has no origin or end, serving as the necessary prerequisite for the universe.

Key reasons for this belief include:

• Absolute Oneness (Monotheism): Judaism emphasizes that God is a singular, indivisible entity. Being uncreated reinforces that there is no other power, no external cause, and no division in His essence.
• Transcending Time and Space: Because time and space are part of the created universe, God, as the creator of these dimensions, must exist outside of them. He is considered eternal—without beginning or end.
• Definition of Creator: The Torah begins with "In the beginning, God created," which establishes God as the pre-existent creator of the universe, not a part of it.
• Independence: God is not dependent on anyone or anything for His existence.
• Theological Foundation: This concept is foundational to Jewish law, particularly in the understanding that God is not physical, as a body would imply limitations, parts, or an external creator.

Essentially, an uncreated God is necessary to maintain the principle that God is the singular, supreme cause and ultimate reality.

Christianity teaches that God is uncreated to define Him as the eternal, necessary, and supreme Creator who exists outside of time and physical limitations. This doctrine, often called creatio ex nihilo (creation out of nothing), establishes God as the sole, independent source of all existence. If God were created, he would not be the ultimate, omnipotent God.

• Logical First Cause: For a creator to bring the universe into existence, that creator must exist outside of the created, physical, and temporal order. A created being cannot be the ultimate origin of all things.
• Definition of Deity: The term "uncreated" (or unbegotten) distinguishes the Creator from all created beings. It indicates that God is not dependent on anything or anyone else for His existence.
• Divine Sovereignty and Freedom: Because God is uncreated, He is not subject to any external forces or limitations. This underscores His supreme authority and freedom to act, creating voluntarily rather than out of necessity.
• The "I Am": This concept is rooted in the Bible, such as in Exodus, where God is described as self-existent, "I am that I am," meaning He simply is, without a beginning or end.
• Trinity and Christology: In Christian theology, the Father is uncreated, and the Son is "begotten, not made," meaning Jesus is not a creature but shares the same eternal nature as the Father.

If God were created, it would require a previous creator, leading to an infinite regression of creators, which contradicts the concept of an ultimate, supreme Being. Therefore, God must be uncreated to be God.

 

[Hafar1014]

Spoken like an ignorant biased atheist unwilling or incapable of performing a simple internet search.

Judaism teaches that God is uncreated to define Him as the ultimate, independent, and eternal source of all existence, existing outside the constraints of time, space, and physical form. As the sole Creator, God is not dependent on anything, meaning He has no origin or end, serving as the necessary prerequisite for the universe.

Key reasons for this belief include:

• Absolute Oneness (Monotheism): Judaism emphasizes that God is a singular, indivisible entity. Being uncreated reinforces that there is no other power, no external cause, and no division in His essence.
• Transcending Time and Space: Because time and space are part of the created universe, God, as the creator of these dimensions, must exist outside of them. He is considered eternal—without beginning or end.
• Definition of Creator: The Torah begins with "In the beginning, God created," which establishes God as the pre-existent creator of the universe, not a part of it.
• Independence: God is not dependent on anyone or anything for His existence.
• Theological Foundation: This concept is foundational to Jewish law, particularly in the understanding that God is not physical, as a body would imply limitations, parts, or an external creator.

Essentially, an uncreated God is necessary to maintain the principle that God is the singular, supreme cause and ultimate reality.

Christianity teaches that God is uncreated to define Him as the eternal, necessary, and supreme Creator who exists outside of time and physical limitations. This doctrine, often called creatio ex nihilo (creation out of nothing), establishes God as the sole, independent source of all existence. If God were created, he would not be the ultimate, omnipotent God.

• Logical First Cause: For a creator to bring the universe into existence, that creator must exist outside of the created, physical, and temporal order. A created being cannot be the ultimate origin of all things.
• Definition of Deity: The term "uncreated" (or unbegotten) distinguishes the Creator from all created beings. It indicates that God is not dependent on anything or anyone else for His existence.
• Divine Sovereignty and Freedom: Because God is uncreated, He is not subject to any external forces or limitations. This underscores His supreme authority and freedom to act, creating voluntarily rather than out of necessity.
• The "I Am": This concept is rooted in the Bible, such as in Exodus, where God is described as self-existent, "I am that I am," meaning He simply is, without a beginning or end.
• Trinity and Christology: In Christian theology, the Father is uncreated, and the Son is "begotten, not made," meaning Jesus is not a creature but shares the same eternal nature as the Father.

If God were created, it would require a previous creator, leading to an infinite regression of creators, which contradicts the concept of an ultimate, supreme Being. Therefore, God must be uncreated to be God.

Im not an atheist so answer the question. Everything begins and ends law of entropy
Who created the creator. Just answer and leave the diversion BS back. Its out up or shut up time. The answer must be rational and logical

 

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Did God tell you that?

Did he tell you to dismiss or distrust my answers?

Or did he tell you to just let your light shine?

Logic tells me. Oh, I'm sure you believe it to be true. But you never had anything more than a notional belief at best and even then it was probably weak at that. I certainly wasn't any different when I was younger. It wasn't until I took dying to self seriously that I was transformed. You seem too proud to worship anything other than yourself. I was the same way.

 

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Im not an atheist so answer the question. Everything begins and ends law of entropy
Who created the creator. Just answer and leave the diversion BS back. Its out up or shut up time. The answer must be rational and logical

I gave you both the Jewish and Christian answers - which are pretty much the same answer - in post #276.

You only think you know something about entropy. Entropy has nothing to do with God. God isn't a thing.

 

[Chuz Life]

Logic tells me. Oh, I'm sure you believe it to be true. But you never had anything more than a notional belief at best and even then it was probably weak at that. I certainly wasn't any different when I was younger. It wasn't until I took dying to self seriously that I was transformed. You seem too proud to worship anything other than yourself. I was the same way.

Bahahaha!

I can assure you that I don't have any reason to worship my own damn self!

That's some funny shit right there!