Zone1 Atheists have nothing to say against faith in God

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I thought that would shut him up.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jesus is a hoax. It is documented that he never existed. Go figure.

Non-Christian historians and Jewish historians wrote about him.

No, it is your lot who write about Christians, "Paul said this" and "Peter claims that". So far there isn't one incident of credibility from your superstitious hokus-pokus. You're screwed, sweet cakes, and I don't care. In fact, dealing with you as an individual [who's threatened me at least once], I am getting a kick out of watching you whine and suffer.

 

[GLASNOST]

Somehow you fooled yourself into thinking that repeating a claim is support for the truth of that claim.

That's an accurate statement.

 

[GLASNOST]

Logic tells me.

"Logic"?

 

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No, it is your lot who write about Christians, "Paul said this" and "Peter claims that". So far there isn't one incident of credibility from your superstitious hokus-pokus. You're screwed, sweet cakes, and I don't care. In fact, dealing with you as an individual [who's threatened me at least once], I am getting a kick out of watching you whine and suffer.

Jewish texts recorded that Jesus was put to death for performing miracles (sorcery) and for claiming to be equal to God (blaspheme).

 

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It is documented that he never existed.

Did Jesus exist?

Yes, the overwhelming consensus among historians and biblical scholars is that Jesus of Nazareth was a real, historical person who lived in 1st-century Judea. While specific, non-biblical archaeological evidence from his lifetime is non-existent, multiple independent sources, including Roman historians Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, and Suetonius, confirm his existence and execution.

Key Evidence for the Historical Jesus:

• Paul the Apostle: Paul's letters, written mere decades after the crucifixion, mention knowing Jesus’s brother, James, and his disciple, Peter.
• Roman/Jewish Sources:Tacitus, Josephus, and the Talmud refer to Jesus as a leader of a movement who was executed
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  • Scholarly Consensus: The "mythicist" theory, which argues Jesus was entirely fabricated, is not accepted by mainstream scholars.

 

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GLASNOST

Why haven't you commented on the evidence?

1. The universe popping into existence in an unnatural way.
2. The only possible configuration of matter - in an infinite number of possible configurations - that can produce a universe capable of producing intelligence.
3. Living matter forming from inanimate matter.
4. Intelligence being predestined to arise according to the laws of nature after life was formed from inanimate matter.

 

[GLASNOST]

Jewish texts recorded that Jesus was put to death for performing miracles (sorcery)

You must be confused with Salem, Mass. In any case, there were thousands of men named Jesus back in the day.

and for claiming to be equal to God (blaspheme).

Anyone claiming to be equal to God is a blasphemer. Do you disagree with that, sweet cakes?

 

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You must be confused with Salem, Mass. In any case, there were thousands of men named Jesus back in the day.

Anyone claiming to be equal to God is a blasphemer. Do you disagree with that, sweet cakes?

 

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#winning

 

[GLASNOST]

Jesus is a hoax. It is documented that he never existed.

Thank you for asking!

 

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Thank you for asking!

Non-Christian historians like Pliny the Younger (c. 112 AD) and Tacitus (c. 116 AD) recorded that early Christians worshiped Jesus as a god, confirming that by the late 1st/early 2nd century, followers viewed him divinely, with Pliny noting hymns sung "to Christ, as to a god" and Tacitus mentioning "Christus" as the founder executed by Pilate, corroborating early Christian beliefs from outside sources.

Flavius Josephus did not explicitly record that Jesus was worshiped as God in a manner a Christian would use, but his writings do mention that Christians worshipped him as divine or as the Christ.

The original core of Josephus's text, as reconstructed by most modern scholars, likely stated the following facts about Jesus from a non-Christian, historical perspective:

• He was a wise and virtuous teacher.
• He performed startling or surprising deeds.
• He gained a significant following among both Jews and Greeks.
• He was condemned to the cross by Pontius Pilate at the instigation of leading Jewish men.
• His followers did not abandon their devotion to him after his crucifixion.
• They reported that he appeared to them alive again on the third day.
• He was referred to as the Messiah/Christ by his followers.

Flavius Josephus, a prominent Jewish historian, lived from approximately A.D. 37 to around A.D. 100, making him a near-contemporary of Jesus and a crucial source for 1st-century Jewish history, particularly the Jewish-Roman War (66-73 CE). Born in Jerusalem, he was a priest who became a general, then surrendered to the Romans, adopted the family name "Flavius," and documented his era's events from Rome.

Key Dates & Details:

• Born: c. 37 CE in Jerusalem.
• Died: c. 100 CE, likely in Rome.
• Major Works:
  
  The Jewish War
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  Antiquities of the Jews
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  Against Apion
  
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  • Significance: His writings provide invaluable eyewitness accounts for the history of Second Temple Judaism and early Christianity.

 

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#stillwinning

 

[GLASNOST]

Non-Christian historians like Pliny the Younger.

You are doing Satan's work ... so you know where you are going >

 

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You are doing Satan's work ... so you know where you are going >

The first Christians who witnessed the supernatural acts performed by Jesus - which included controlling matter, controlling nature, healing physical deformities, healing diseases, raising the dead and resurrecting himself from death - worshiped Jesus as God because they witnessed those miracles.

 

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Anyone claiming to be equal to God is a blasphemer.

The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins, having power over nature, and accepting worship, leading to the understanding (especially in later Christian theology) of His divinity and fulfillment of prophecy. While some interpret these actions as Jesus demonstrating God's power through Him, others see them as direct claims of being God, with Luke presenting Jesus as Lord, Messiah, and Son of God.

Key Examples in Luke:

• Forgiveness of Sins (Luke 5:20-24): Jesus forgives a paralyzed man's sins, prompting onlookers to question, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?".
• Authority Over the Sabbath (Luke 6:5): Jesus declares, "The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath," asserting a divine prerogative.
• Accepting Worship (Luke 24:52): After His resurrection, Jesus' disciples worship Him, a response consistent with divine reverence.
• Claiming Divine Sonship (Luke 22:69-71): Before the Sanhedrin, Jesus affirms His identity as the Son of God, which they perceive as blasphemy.
• Fulfilling Prophecy (Luke 4:16-21): Jesus reads from Isaiah, applying prophecies about the Lord's anointed Messiah to Himself, indicating He is God's representative with divine power.

Interpretations:

• Divinity/Exaltation: Some see these as moments Luke highlights Jesus' inherent divinity or His exaltation to divinity (e.g., at His birth, baptism, resurrection).
• Messianic Authority: Others view these as Jesus demonstrating the authority and power of God vested in Him as the Messiah, the "Lord of all".

In essence, Luke portrays Jesus as more than a prophet, presenting Him with divine attributes and authority, which Christians interpret as evidence of His equality with God.

#winning!!!!

 

[GLASNOST]

You are doing Satan's work ... so you know where you are going >

Christians... worshiped Jesus as God

You are going to hell, you blasphemous little sweet cakes.

 

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You are going to hell, you blasphemous little sweet cakes.

The Gospel of John records Jesus making claims and performing actions that his Jewish contemporaries understood as claims of divinity, leading them to accuse him of blasphemy for making himself equal with God, such as calling God "My Father" and working on the Sabbath as God does. Key instances include Jesus stating, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am at work," and "The Father and I are one," asserting shared nature, works, power, and judgment with God.

Key Claims & Actions in John's Gospel:

• "My Father is working, and I am working" (John 5:17): Jesus's statement after healing on the Sabbath implied he shared God's continuous work, a claim interpreted as making himself equal with God, infuriating Jewish leaders.
• "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can only do what he sees his Father doing" (John 5:19): This shows unity in action, with the Son mirroring the Father's works (healing, judging, giving life).
• "The Father loves the Son and shows him all he does" (John 5:20): Demonstrates divine access and shared knowledge.
• "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30): A direct assertion of unity with God.
• "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:9): Claims to reveal God's very essence.

Jewish Interpretation & Reaction:

• The Jews understood Jesus' use of "My Father" as a claim to a unique, divine relationship, not merely being a spiritual child.
• They saw his actions on the Sabbath (which God "never rests") and his statements about his relationship with God as making himself God's equal, a capital offense.

Miracles as Divine Acts:

• Jesus' miracles (feeding multitudes, calming storms, raising the dead, walking on water) were seen by followers and critics alike as acts only God could perform, further underscoring claims of divinity.

#winning

 

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GLASNOST

Why haven't you commented on the evidence?

1. The universe popping into existence in an unnatural way.
2. The only possible configuration of matter - in an infinite number of possible configurations - that can produce a universe capable of producing intelligence.
3. Living matter forming from inanimate matter.
4. Intelligence being predestined to arise according to the laws of nature after life was formed from inanimate matter.

 

[GLASNOST]

The Gospel of John records

Blasphemy.

Why haven't you commented on the evidence?

I provided the evidence so all you need to do is build up enough courage to click on those links.