So you believe homo-sapien-sapien may have descended from other apes?
Homo sapiens are Hominids. It's
possible we had common ancestry at one time with apes. If that is true, and it's only a theory at this time, it is an example of MICRO evolution. Our genus taxon is Hominid. We are not apes.
Priceless. Boss surrenders again. It is macroevolution
We ARE apes
Now... Let's go from here and have an objective look... Obviously, humans are far more advanced, civilized, intelligent and accomplished than great apes.
In human terms yes
What do you think is responsible for that?
Random luck
If you say it is brain development, why didn't the great apes evolve with more developed brains?
They did. We call the endpoint of that evolution ~ wait fer it ~ man
What made our species so lucky?
Time & a big asteroid
We're made of the same stuff...
Everything is made of the same stuff
we belong to the same genus...
Who is this we, Pilgrim? Not all apes belong to the same genus.
yet there is a profound difference in our evolutionary path. What is responsible for that?
Need I repeat myself?
Here is what I think... at some point, there was some outside intervention from something that bestowed human spirituality on our species. Made us spiritually aware and conscious. And it is because of that we developed better brains, more intelligence, ability to form civilizations, languages, creative inspiration, etc.
Oh goodie, today's new Boss Story! Before ~ we were born with spirit. Now ~ spirit has to be given to us.
The fossil record you love to ignore clearly shows the brain came first, your misunderstanding of spirituality came after.
How do you feel about the simple fact that Neandertals had spirit while we did not? Spirit didn't help them much. Kinda looks like spitituality is a primitive characteristic.
Priceless. Boss surrenders again. It is macroevolution
You're right, it would be macroevolution because Hominid is the taxon family and not genus. Our genus is Homo. Still, it is possible that cross-genus evolution happened. We have no direct evidence of it but that doesn't mean it isn't possible. And I know that you get a kick outta claiming I've "surrendered" when I clarify something but that's not me surrendering. In this case, I was wrong and I admitted it. Most of the time, it's you misinterpreting something that I have to correct.
We ARE apes
You need to prove that.
The Primates: Humans
They did. We call the endpoint of that evolution ~ wait fer it ~ man
First of all, you've not proven we're descendants. Secondly, apes still exist. My question is, why have they not developed advanced brain function like humans? You popped off some smart assery about asteroids but asteroids didn't hinder evolution for apes.
Large brain requires the invention of more sweating to cool it off.
Bipedalism came before that. We were not a gorilla who went smart. We were fully bipedal ape who went smart.
The Naked Truth
You will not see it as a satisfactory answer, but why would evolution produce two species competing for the same ecological niche with the same characteristics? It is like you expect humans to replace gorillas & gorillas to disappear. It doesn't always work that way. Gorillas stayed in the forests. We did not.
I also have my own pet hypotheses and it works for a lot of primitive humans and ape-men. We are the killer ape. We see something that kinda looks like us, we get jealous & kill it.
Who is this we, Pilgrim? Not all apes belong to the same genus.
All apes belong to the Hominid family.
Oh goodie, today's new Boss Story! Before ~ we were born with spirit. Now ~ spirit has to be given to us.
I didn't say that.
We DO have spiritual awareness. This is apparent in humans dating back to the oldest civilization of humans we've ever discovered. It seems to coincide with our "rise" and my belief is that something bestowed that on us. There is a distinct correlation with our advancement and our spirituality. I can't prove this, never claimed I could. It's just what makes sense to me personally.
How do you feel about the simple fact that Neandertals had spirit while we did not?
Well this is simply not true. The evidence shows, for the most part, Neanderthals were not practicing spirituality for most of their existence. (They also never formed civilizations.) There has been some recent evidence that European Neanderthals, near the end of their existence, practiced crude spiritual rituals. We don't know why but it's strongly suspected they were merely trying to survive by mimicking their homo sapien counterparts. Apparently, it was too little, too late for the Neanderthal.
We did not show spirituality. The guess is we either ignored our dead or burned them like trash. No burials.
But it's not a guess. Again, the archeological discoveries of the oldest human civilizations show signs of ceremonial ritual burials using red ocher. There is no rational explanation for why you bury the dead in a ceremonial ritual other than spiritualism. Especially, given the fact that red ocher has been used for spiritual rituals throughout history.
Paleolithic burials[edit]
The earliest evidence of religious thought is based on the ritual treatment of the dead. Most animals display only a casual interest in the dead of their own species.
[34] Ritual burial thus represents a significant change in human behavior. Ritual burials represent an awareness of life and death and a possible belief in the
afterlife.
Philip Lieberman states "burials with grave goods clearly signify religious practices and concern for the dead that transcends daily life."
[16]
The earliest evidence for treatment of the dead comes from
Atapuerca in Spain. At this location the bones of 30 individuals believed to be
Homo heidelbergensis have been found in a pit.
[35] Neanderthals are also contenders for the first hominids to intentionally bury the dead. They may have placed corpses into shallow graves along with stone tools and animal bones. The presence of these
grave goods may indicate an emotional connection with the deceased and possibly a belief in the afterlife. Neanderthal burial sites include
Shanidarin Iraq and
Krapina in Croatia and
Kebara Cave in Israel.
[36][37][37][38]
The earliest known burial of modern humans is from a cave in Israel located at
Qafzeh. Human remains have been dated to 100,000 years ago. Human skeletons were found stained with
red ochre. A variety of grave goods were found at the burial site. The mandible of a wild boar was found placed in the arms of one of the skeletons.
[39] Philip Lieberman states:
"Burial rituals incorporating grave goods may have been invented by the anatomically modern hominids who emigrated from Africa to the Middle East roughly 100,000 years ago".
[39]
Matt Rossano suggests that the period between 80,000–60,000 years before present, following the retreat of humans from the Levant to Africa, was a crucial period in the evolution of religion.
[40]
Evolutionary origin of religions - Wikipedia
So as long as we have any evidence of human civilization, we see evidence of human spirituality. Religions are a completely different matter. They didn't come along until thousands of years later.
I think you have that backwards or you are an easy grader on civilization. I equate spirituality with religion and they came waaay before civilization.
As for your diatribe about the gorillas... you still haven't presented factual evidence we're descendants. You assume we are based on a theory. And your explanation as to why apes didn't evolve like humans with remarkably exceptional brain function is very weak. I never claimed humans should've replaced apes, I asked why the apes failed to evolve naturally as their human counterparts? It just seems to me, if this were a natural order of evolution, we should see relatively intelligent apes who followed basically the same path as humans. Did evolution not take? What's the explanation?
If you cannot see how close we are anatomically & genetically, then it cannot be proved to you.
We all are neotenous apes. The other apes and us look almost identical as infants and the normal features develop during childhood (neoteny)
Chimpanzees and Neoteny
It sounds like you claim intelligence is something all life should strive for; that evolution has both a purpose and a destination. It doesn't. I would say we are very lucky we got intelligence in ONE species. It looks like intelligence was starting to take off in dinosaurs (raptors) before they were slaughtered, but they have the useless arm/hand issue.
I think there is a profound and direct correlation between human intelligence and human spirituality. I believe it was through our unique spiritualism, we were able to develop civilizations, languages, technologies, etc.
Well, as I have said before, what you call spirit, I call consciousness. So here you get a big DUH!
