Atheism is the believe that something came out of nothing and we're all going nowhere

[ding]

Tell me, when you read Genesis, did you get that man knows wrong from right and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept, he rationalizes that he didn't violate it?

Wasn't Adam instructed NOT to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil!!!
Adam had to "sin" to learn right from wrong!

Do you know what allegorical means, Einstein?

It means it is a sin to learn right from wrong.

That was almost as brilliant as when you were arguing against the theory of Inflation and then said I should look into the work of Guth who was the one who developed the theory of inflation. Absolutely brilliant.

 

[edthecynic]

Tell me, when you read Genesis, did you get that man knows wrong from right and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept, he rationalizes that he didn't violate it?

Wasn't Adam instructed NOT to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil!!!
Adam had to "sin" to learn right from wrong!

Do you know what allegorical means, Einstein?

It means it is a sin to learn right from wrong.

That was almost as brilliant as when you were arguing against the theory of Inflation and then said I should look into the work of Guth who was the one who developed the theory of inflation. Absolutely brilliant.

Bullshit!

 

[ding]

Tell me, when you read Genesis, did you get that man knows wrong from right and when he violates it, rather than abandoning the concept, he rationalizes that he didn't violate it?

Wasn't Adam instructed NOT to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil!!!
Adam had to "sin" to learn right from wrong!

Do you know what allegorical means, Einstein?

It means it is a sin to learn right from wrong.

That was almost as brilliant as when you were arguing against the theory of Inflation and then said I should look into the work of Guth who was the one who developed the theory of inflation. Absolutely brilliant.

Bullshit!

Yes, I thought you were full of bullshit too, Ed. Especially when you tried to tell me that the entropy of the universe was zero. That was brilliant too, Ed.

 

[BreezeWood]

See again, you are pushing religions that require you to die to see "heaven". There's a reason they say that... And it's military, since nobody will be willing to die unless they believe their salvation relies upon it.

lol, no. Dying to self does not mean to literally die. It means to not have a preference for an outcome or consequence to one's self. I can see that you are a deep thinker.

The Pope spoke about that last week. And he renounced it. He called people like you something akin to fake Christians. And said that you are worse than atheists (which I'm not btw).

I am more than happy for you to see me as a fake Christian. No skin off my teeth. I never claimed to be a saint. I'm sure it makes you feel better to believe that you are not an atheist but your behaviors say otherwise. Maybe you are a fake ignostic or agnostic or whatever bullshit rationalized term you are using today.

And despite that, you continue to push extreme measures like death to see your "god".

That's not the way it works. You find "god" in life. Not death. And finding "god" in life means that you want to protect life as much as possible. Not kill others or die because of it.

Yep, that's what I've been saying. Now if you could only figure out that dying to self thingee, you just might find God while you are still living.

Ding, as a Christian, either you listen to the Pope going forward, or you make things up as you go. Which way are you going to roll now?

Militant Christian, or repentant Christian, or flavor of the day?

I think I will listen to God instead. He is the Pope's boss, lol. I'm going to roll the same way I've been rolling which is to listen for God's quite voice and know that He uses all things for the good of those that love Him. So whether or not I hear Him correctly, I know that whatever happens, He will progress me one way or another.

wait a minute

Not to have a preference of an outcome?

You certainly have a preference. You believe and obey not because you love to believe and obey but because you want the rewards promised if you do believe and obey

The entire christian notion of the afterlife is based on fear and greed the two most powerful of human motivators

I believe the man that lives a good life with the only reward being his own knowledge that he lived a good life and expects nothing else for his good works is a better man than one who expects an eternal reward for doing what he is told

Anyone who is focusing on the destination instead of the journey didn't understand what Christ was teaching. God wants you to love Him for who He is and not what He can do for you. The message of Jesus was focused on this life, not the next.

When we speak of preferences we need to be specific about what we are talking about. For instance, do I have a preference for who will win the game. If I prefer one team over the other I will be more likely to see questionable calls a certain way. We call this subjectivity. We can only be objective when we don't have a preference for an outcome. Dying to self is how we become objective.

So, do I still have preferences? Sure, but I work on not having preferences and I have made great strides from where I began. Am I happier for it? Yes. Great peace is achieved when we can be honest about ourselves and the world around us. Things are what they are, not what we want them to be. Am I more intelligent for it? Absolutely. Being objective is the foundation of logic and reason. Anyone who is objective cannot help but to have his intelligence sharpened.

I agree that a man who lives the good life (i.e. doing the right thing the right way for the right reason) is on a good path. Doing it for God makes it better.

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I agree that a man who lives the good life (i.e. doing the right thing the right way for the right reason) is on a good path. Doing it for God makes it better.

so much for objectivity, dying of self ... how is that better, is it political.

I would not expect you to understand anything I say.

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I would not expect you to understand anything I say.

then why say it, dumb ass.

 

[ding]

lol, no. Dying to self does not mean to literally die. It means to not have a preference for an outcome or consequence to one's self. I can see that you are a deep thinker.

I am more than happy for you to see me as a fake Christian. No skin off my teeth. I never claimed to be a saint. I'm sure it makes you feel better to believe that you are not an atheist but your behaviors say otherwise. Maybe you are a fake ignostic or agnostic or whatever bullshit rationalized term you are using today.

Yep, that's what I've been saying. Now if you could only figure out that dying to self thingee, you just might find God while you are still living.

I think I will listen to God instead. He is the Pope's boss, lol. I'm going to roll the same way I've been rolling which is to listen for God's quite voice and know that He uses all things for the good of those that love Him. So whether or not I hear Him correctly, I know that whatever happens, He will progress me one way or another.

wait a minute

Not to have a preference of an outcome?

You certainly have a preference. You believe and obey not because you love to believe and obey but because you want the rewards promised if you do believe and obey

The entire christian notion of the afterlife is based on fear and greed the two most powerful of human motivators

I believe the man that lives a good life with the only reward being his own knowledge that he lived a good life and expects nothing else for his good works is a better man than one who expects an eternal reward for doing what he is told

Anyone who is focusing on the destination instead of the journey didn't understand what Christ was teaching. God wants you to love Him for who He is and not what He can do for you. The message of Jesus was focused on this life, not the next.

When we speak of preferences we need to be specific about what we are talking about. For instance, do I have a preference for who will win the game. If I prefer one team over the other I will be more likely to see questionable calls a certain way. We call this subjectivity. We can only be objective when we don't have a preference for an outcome. Dying to self is how we become objective.

So, do I still have preferences? Sure, but I work on not having preferences and I have made great strides from where I began. Am I happier for it? Yes. Great peace is achieved when we can be honest about ourselves and the world around us. Things are what they are, not what we want them to be. Am I more intelligent for it? Absolutely. Being objective is the foundation of logic and reason. Anyone who is objective cannot help but to have his intelligence sharpened.

I agree that a man who lives the good life (i.e. doing the right thing the right way for the right reason) is on a good path. Doing it for God makes it better.

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I agree that a man who lives the good life (i.e. doing the right thing the right way for the right reason) is on a good path. Doing it for God makes it better.

so much for objectivity, dying of self ... how is that better, is it political.

I would not expect you to understand anything I say.

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I would not expect you to understand anything I say.

then why say it, dumb ass.

lol, because it wasn't addressed to you. It was addressed to RWS.

 

[sealybobo]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

 

[sealybobo]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

 

[Votto]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Sure life has a meaning to them, it's called stopping Trump!

 

[sealybobo]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Sure life has a meaning to them, it's called stopping Trump!

Love, be happy, be a positive impact on the people you leave behind. Be thankful you were born. Those rodent like mammal ancestor of yours that survived the massive dinosaur extinction survived and they eventually let to homo erectus and all those ancestors that mated and survived and passed on their gene until eventually your four grandparents met and your parents had you.

Enjoy your time because it's short. Don't blink

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

 

[sealybobo]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

That's freedom. It's a ***** huh?

But what you may be doing is blaming atheism on all the murders. I wonder how many of them believe in God. I bet more than you think. They aren't good god fearing theists like you but how many are?

I wonder why God fearing Americans got off so much on westerns?

Christians made this country on the backs of Asians blacks and don't get me started on the Indians. Good Christians?

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

That's freedom. It's a ***** huh?

But what you may be doing is blaming atheism on all the murders. I wonder how many of them believe in God. I bet more than you think. They aren't good god fearing theists like you but how many are?

I wonder why God fearing Americans got off so much on westerns?

Christians made this country on the backs of Asians blacks and don't get me started on the Indians. Good Christians?

It didn't take long for you to turn on America. That is the liberal way after all. You are a good little liberal.

 

[sealybobo]

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

That's freedom. It's a ***** huh?

But what you may be doing is blaming atheism on all the murders. I wonder how many of them believe in God. I bet more than you think. They aren't good god fearing theists like you but how many are?

I wonder why God fearing Americans got off so much on westerns?

Christians made this country on the backs of Asians blacks and don't get me started on the Indians. Good Christians?

It didn't take long for you to turn on America. That is the liberal way after all. You are a good little liberal.

I'm wearing my American flag lapel pin.

I'm OK with how my country was built. I'm no nationalist who's going to believe false lies and propoganda about how this country was built. We already know you guys exxagerate. They even tried to say God talked to George Washington and bush said God told him to invade Iraq.

I don't like your Christian nation that's why we are not a Christian nation. You're free to be one here but we allow any cult here

 

[ding]

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

That's freedom. It's a ***** huh?

But what you may be doing is blaming atheism on all the murders. I wonder how many of them believe in God. I bet more than you think. They aren't good god fearing theists like you but how many are?

I wonder why God fearing Americans got off so much on westerns?

Christians made this country on the backs of Asians blacks and don't get me started on the Indians. Good Christians?

It didn't take long for you to turn on America. That is the liberal way after all. You are a good little liberal.

I'm wearing my American flag lapel pin.

I'm OK with how my country was built. I'm no nationalist who's going to believe false lies and propoganda about how this country was built. We already know you guys exxagerate. They even tried to say God talked to George Washington and bush said God told him to invade Iraq.

I don't like your Christian nation that's why we are not a Christian nation. You're free to be one here but we allow any cult here

Have you ever tested your IQ?

 

[edthecynic]

Wasn't Adam instructed NOT to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil!!!
Adam had to "sin" to learn right from wrong!

Do you know what allegorical means, Einstein?

It means it is a sin to learn right from wrong.

That was almost as brilliant as when you were arguing against the theory of Inflation and then said I should look into the work of Guth who was the one who developed the theory of inflation. Absolutely brilliant.

Bullshit!

Yes, I thought you were full of bullshit too, Ed. Especially when you tried to tell me that the entropy of the universe was zero. That was brilliant too, Ed.

And you were the idiot who tried to tell me the FLoT says that entropy could not equal zero. You are still delusional and stupid enough to think you won that one!

The First Law of Thermodynamics

 

[edthecynic]

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

CON$ervoFascism that you practice is a hate religion. CON$ believe good IS evil. The only God they worship is the almighty DOLLAR. They practice pure amoral hate.

 

[Skull Pilot]

There is a lot of talk of eternal reward in the bible isn't there?



and please tell me where heaven is defined as simply being with god and hell simply not being with god in the bible? or is that your interpretation?

It is obvious to anyone who has read the bible that it is a carrot and stick approach

be a good believer and get a reward, be bad and don't believe and get punished

I don't know, that seems like a subjective statement. Why don't you catalog them and then we can decide if it is a lot, fair enough?

Isn't life a carrot and stick approach? Do you believe that all behaviors lead to equal outcomes? If not, then you probably believe that as a rule successful behaviors lead to successful outcomes and failed behaviors lead to failed outcomes, right? How is that not a carrot and a stick approach?

see now you change the tack

when I said the bible was based on far and greed you disagreed with me and now you say the bible is based on carrot and stick which is a fear and greed approach

so tell me why does god have to punish those who do not believe when if it is true as you think that god gave man free will?

why would god give free will and then tell people they will be punished if they don't do what he says after all according to you he just wants people to accept him for what he is.

if what god had to offer was so great (or even real at all) there would be no need for the threat of eternal damnation

Actually I didn't change tack, I addressed your statement. I didn't say anything about heaven or hell. In this world, life is a carrot and a stick approach, right? I told you that the Bible is a how to book, right? How to live and how not to live, right? I didn't say anything about heaven or hell at all.

First of all you don't believe in God so you don't believe God is punishing you for your failed behaviors. I do believe in God and I don't believe He is punishing you for your failed behaviors either. What I will tell you is that there are moral laws just like there are physical laws and when you violate them, you end up punishing yourself. Nothing magical about it. Successful behaviors naturally lead to success just as failed behaviors naturally lead to failure.

Why would He give you free will? Free will is an artifact of being human. We are the only animal who has knowledge of good and evil. A dog doesn't know the difference. Do you believe it is virtuous to be forced to be virtuous? I don't. Virtue has no meaning or value unless it is chosen freely.

You sure are hung up on God punishing and rewarding people. I don't spend much time thinking about it at all. I'm too busy trying to figure out what it was I was supposed to have learned from my mistakes.

I was never given any satisfactory answers about god and guess what you aren't giving any either.

you don't care that your god capriciously slaughtered people for disobeying him if you believe the bible is actually true.

I have never seen people hold such diametrically opposed views as the religious and you are no different.

I didn't know it was my job. I didn't need anyone to do my work for me. You shouldn't either.

You don't believe in God so you don't believe He slaughtered anyone, now do you? So you are making an argument you don't believe.

I can live with that. I have never seen so many people talking about something they don't believe.

where did I say it was your job

I ask questions you don't give satisfactory answers

I guess it's a good thing it's not your job

 

[Skull Pilot]

yeah otherwise it's tough to get around the slavery and selling your daughters bit

Only because you are viewing it from today's lens and not the lens of 3000 years ago.

like I said you have to devolve into a slave trader in order to get around those parts.

Yes, I know you did. You are viewing from today's perspective rather than the perspective of 3000 years ago. Of course it doesn't make sense to you.

it wouldn't make sense to a moral god especially if he was supposed to be a timeless supreme being

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

 

[Skull Pilot]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

actually you mean agnosticism
Atheism is the denial that any god exists at all