Atheism is the believe that something came out of nothing and we're all going nowhere

[Skull Pilot]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

 

[sealybobo]

Not true. Of course we know right and wrong. Good and bad. In some ways we see you as bad like greed and lying. Our morals don't come from a holy book that claims to have answers it does not.

This country is for atheists and theists. We get along just fine living together. Besides abortion what other thing do we disagree on? I'm a capitalist who lives the conservative dream minus the religion. I just think our way produced the great American middle class. Let's see if your way is better. I bet not. So don't say we are socialists or communists. I'm talking about your beef with atheists. Besides abortion what grinds your gears about us? I bet very little..

Lots of Christians get abortions. It's why the Pope forgave them all. You claim they're murderers?

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

That's freedom. It's a ***** huh?

But what you may be doing is blaming atheism on all the murders. I wonder how many of them believe in God. I bet more than you think. They aren't good god fearing theists like you but how many are?

I wonder why God fearing Americans got off so much on westerns?

Christians made this country on the backs of Asians blacks and don't get me started on the Indians. Good Christians?

It didn't take long for you to turn on America. That is the liberal way after all. You are a good little liberal.

I'm wearing my American flag lapel pin.

I'm OK with how my country was built. I'm no nationalist who's going to believe false lies and propoganda about how this country was built. We already know you guys exxagerate. They even tried to say God talked to George Washington and bush said God told him to invade Iraq.

I don't like your Christian nation that's why we are not a Christian nation. You're free to be one here but we allow any cult here

Have you ever tested your IQ?

Yes. 150

 

[ding]

I don't know, that seems like a subjective statement. Why don't you catalog them and then we can decide if it is a lot, fair enough?

Isn't life a carrot and stick approach? Do you believe that all behaviors lead to equal outcomes? If not, then you probably believe that as a rule successful behaviors lead to successful outcomes and failed behaviors lead to failed outcomes, right? How is that not a carrot and a stick approach?

see now you change the tack

when I said the bible was based on far and greed you disagreed with me and now you say the bible is based on carrot and stick which is a fear and greed approach

so tell me why does god have to punish those who do not believe when if it is true as you think that god gave man free will?

why would god give free will and then tell people they will be punished if they don't do what he says after all according to you he just wants people to accept him for what he is.

if what god had to offer was so great (or even real at all) there would be no need for the threat of eternal damnation

Actually I didn't change tack, I addressed your statement. I didn't say anything about heaven or hell. In this world, life is a carrot and a stick approach, right? I told you that the Bible is a how to book, right? How to live and how not to live, right? I didn't say anything about heaven or hell at all.

First of all you don't believe in God so you don't believe God is punishing you for your failed behaviors. I do believe in God and I don't believe He is punishing you for your failed behaviors either. What I will tell you is that there are moral laws just like there are physical laws and when you violate them, you end up punishing yourself. Nothing magical about it. Successful behaviors naturally lead to success just as failed behaviors naturally lead to failure.

Why would He give you free will? Free will is an artifact of being human. We are the only animal who has knowledge of good and evil. A dog doesn't know the difference. Do you believe it is virtuous to be forced to be virtuous? I don't. Virtue has no meaning or value unless it is chosen freely.

You sure are hung up on God punishing and rewarding people. I don't spend much time thinking about it at all. I'm too busy trying to figure out what it was I was supposed to have learned from my mistakes.

I was never given any satisfactory answers about god and guess what you aren't giving any either.

you don't care that your god capriciously slaughtered people for disobeying him if you believe the bible is actually true.

I have never seen people hold such diametrically opposed views as the religious and you are no different.

I didn't know it was my job. I didn't need anyone to do my work for me. You shouldn't either.

You don't believe in God so you don't believe He slaughtered anyone, now do you? So you are making an argument you don't believe.

I can live with that. I have never seen so many people talking about something they don't believe.

where did I say it was your job

I ask questions you don't give satisfactory answers

I guess it's a good thing it's not your job

You seemed a little demanding is all. Look this is pretty simple. Don't believe in God. See? Problem solved. Go and live a material life without care in the world.

 

[ding]

Only because you are viewing it from today's lens and not the lens of 3000 years ago.

like I said you have to devolve into a slave trader in order to get around those parts.

Yes, I know you did. You are viewing from today's perspective rather than the perspective of 3000 years ago. Of course it doesn't make sense to you.

it wouldn't make sense to a moral god especially if he was supposed to be a timeless supreme being

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

Because we were made to worship. The only choice in the matter is what we choose to worship. Now you know.

A speech by the late David Foster Wallace

 

[sealybobo]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

actually you mean agnosticism
Atheism is the denial that any god exists at all

If theism claims to know atheism is the opposite of that.

You folks use God as the answer to things we don't know.

When you say deny that suggests we claim to know with certainty. I know it's subtle but there is a difference.

Do you claim to know for certain that there is a God?

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

actually you mean agnosticism
Atheism is the denial that any god exists at all

Atheism is a little more than that. It is a worldview based on materialism and moral relativity which is based on pleasure and primitive needs.

 

[sealybobo]

like I said you have to devolve into a slave trader in order to get around those parts.

Yes, I know you did. You are viewing from today's perspective rather than the perspective of 3000 years ago. Of course it doesn't make sense to you.

it wouldn't make sense to a moral god especially if he was supposed to be a timeless supreme being

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

Because we were made to worship. The only choice in the matter is what we choose to worship. Now you know.

A speech by the late David Foster Wallace

That's our purpose? To worship? Then Muslims do it right. 7 times a day

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

What do atheists base their morals on? They don't believe that moral laws exist?

 

[ding]

Yes, I know you did. You are viewing from today's perspective rather than the perspective of 3000 years ago. Of course it doesn't make sense to you.

it wouldn't make sense to a moral god especially if he was supposed to be a timeless supreme being

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

Because we were made to worship. The only choice in the matter is what we choose to worship. Now you know.

A speech by the late David Foster Wallace

That's our purpose? To worship? Then Muslims do it right. 7 times a day

I didn't say that was our purpose. Go back and re-read the question I was answering. It wasn't that hard to follow. it's a little early for you to be smoking weed, don't you think?

 

[sealybobo]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

What do atheists base their morals on? They don't believe that moral laws exist?

Our judgement. What do you base your morals on? You base it on the judgement of men 2000 years ago. You think God wrote the bible?

 

[ding]

By definition of your materialistic worldview your morals come from pleasure and meeting your primitive needs. You have no distinction between good and evil because you don't believe in good and evil. How can you? All you know are material needs and primitive instincts. Christians made this country and the middle class what it is. The more atheistic we become, the more socialistic (i.e. materialistic) we will be.

That's freedom. It's a ***** huh?

But what you may be doing is blaming atheism on all the murders. I wonder how many of them believe in God. I bet more than you think. They aren't good god fearing theists like you but how many are?

I wonder why God fearing Americans got off so much on westerns?

Christians made this country on the backs of Asians blacks and don't get me started on the Indians. Good Christians?

It didn't take long for you to turn on America. That is the liberal way after all. You are a good little liberal.

I'm wearing my American flag lapel pin.

I'm OK with how my country was built. I'm no nationalist who's going to believe false lies and propoganda about how this country was built. We already know you guys exxagerate. They even tried to say God talked to George Washington and bush said God told him to invade Iraq.

I don't like your Christian nation that's why we are not a Christian nation. You're free to be one here but we allow any cult here

Have you ever tested your IQ?

Yes. 150

You think that makes sense?

 

[sealybobo]

it wouldn't make sense to a moral god especially if he was supposed to be a timeless supreme being

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

Because we were made to worship. The only choice in the matter is what we choose to worship. Now you know.

A speech by the late David Foster Wallace

That's our purpose? To worship? Then Muslims do it right. 7 times a day

I didn't say that was our purpose. Go back and re-read the question I was answering. It wasn't that hard to follow. it's a little early for you to be smoking weed, don't you think?

I haven't YET

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

What do atheists base their morals on? They don't believe that moral laws exist?

Our judgement. What do you base your morals on? You base it on the judgement of men 2000 years ago. You think God wrote the bible?

Moral laws that you don't believe exist.

 

[ding]

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

Because we were made to worship. The only choice in the matter is what we choose to worship. Now you know.

A speech by the late David Foster Wallace

That's our purpose? To worship? Then Muslims do it right. 7 times a day

I didn't say that was our purpose. Go back and re-read the question I was answering. It wasn't that hard to follow. it's a little early for you to be smoking weed, don't you think?

I haven't YET

Then you had no other excuse for making that error other than dishonesty, incompetence or both. I think it is a good idea that you go to work stoned. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[Skull Pilot]

see now you change the tack

when I said the bible was based on far and greed you disagreed with me and now you say the bible is based on carrot and stick which is a fear and greed approach

so tell me why does god have to punish those who do not believe when if it is true as you think that god gave man free will?

why would god give free will and then tell people they will be punished if they don't do what he says after all according to you he just wants people to accept him for what he is.

if what god had to offer was so great (or even real at all) there would be no need for the threat of eternal damnation

Actually I didn't change tack, I addressed your statement. I didn't say anything about heaven or hell. In this world, life is a carrot and a stick approach, right? I told you that the Bible is a how to book, right? How to live and how not to live, right? I didn't say anything about heaven or hell at all.

First of all you don't believe in God so you don't believe God is punishing you for your failed behaviors. I do believe in God and I don't believe He is punishing you for your failed behaviors either. What I will tell you is that there are moral laws just like there are physical laws and when you violate them, you end up punishing yourself. Nothing magical about it. Successful behaviors naturally lead to success just as failed behaviors naturally lead to failure.

Why would He give you free will? Free will is an artifact of being human. We are the only animal who has knowledge of good and evil. A dog doesn't know the difference. Do you believe it is virtuous to be forced to be virtuous? I don't. Virtue has no meaning or value unless it is chosen freely.

You sure are hung up on God punishing and rewarding people. I don't spend much time thinking about it at all. I'm too busy trying to figure out what it was I was supposed to have learned from my mistakes.

I was never given any satisfactory answers about god and guess what you aren't giving any either.

you don't care that your god capriciously slaughtered people for disobeying him if you believe the bible is actually true.

I have never seen people hold such diametrically opposed views as the religious and you are no different.

I didn't know it was my job. I didn't need anyone to do my work for me. You shouldn't either.

You don't believe in God so you don't believe He slaughtered anyone, now do you? So you are making an argument you don't believe.

I can live with that. I have never seen so many people talking about something they don't believe.

where did I say it was your job

I ask questions you don't give satisfactory answers

I guess it's a good thing it's not your job

You seemed a little demanding is all. Look this is pretty simple. Don't believe in God. See? Problem solved. Go and live a material life without care in the world.

and there is the judgmental arrogance I have come to know so well

you have no idea what kind of life I live do you? You know absolutely nothing about me yet you assume I am materialistic and immoral

well I have said before christians I have met are the most vile of people and that still stands

 

[Skull Pilot]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

What do atheists base their morals on? They don't believe that moral laws exist?

of course they do

what makes you think atheists think it's OK to rape kill pillage and burn ?

 

[ding]

And there's no point, really, to any of it, so life has no meaning or purpose.

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

What do atheists base their morals on? They don't believe that moral laws exist?

of course they do

what makes you think atheists think it's OK to rape kill pillage and burn ?

The 20th Century.

 

[Skull Pilot]

like I said you have to devolve into a slave trader in order to get around those parts.

Yes, I know you did. You are viewing from today's perspective rather than the perspective of 3000 years ago. Of course it doesn't make sense to you.

it wouldn't make sense to a moral god especially if he was supposed to be a timeless supreme being

Why does it matter? You don't believe in God anyway. Don't you have better things to do than to discuss what you believe is a fairy tale? Do you want to discuss the three bears with me too?

I may not believe in god but I am trying to understand why people submit to a religion

Because we were made to worship. The only choice in the matter is what we choose to worship. Now you know.

A speech by the late David Foster Wallace

and who is this guy to say what the entire human race is made to do? He was a writer not a scientist

 

[Skull Pilot]

Athiesm is the belief we don't know. Theism is the belief we know.

I don't believe we know

Atheism is the belief in materialism. They see no distinction between good and evil, no morality or any other kind of value, save pleasure. They practice moral relativity.

actually you are wrong

Atheists are not immoral any more than believers are immoral
Atheists do not commit more crimes or kill more people than believers do

and there have been moral codes and societal laws before christianity

What do atheists base their morals on? They don't believe that moral laws exist?

of course they do

what makes you think atheists think it's OK to rape kill pillage and burn ?

The 20th Century.

Yeah the only horrible crimes committed were committed solely by atheists

FYI there has been more killing in the name of god than for any other reason

 

[ding]

Actually I didn't change tack, I addressed your statement. I didn't say anything about heaven or hell. In this world, life is a carrot and a stick approach, right? I told you that the Bible is a how to book, right? How to live and how not to live, right? I didn't say anything about heaven or hell at all.

First of all you don't believe in God so you don't believe God is punishing you for your failed behaviors. I do believe in God and I don't believe He is punishing you for your failed behaviors either. What I will tell you is that there are moral laws just like there are physical laws and when you violate them, you end up punishing yourself. Nothing magical about it. Successful behaviors naturally lead to success just as failed behaviors naturally lead to failure.

Why would He give you free will? Free will is an artifact of being human. We are the only animal who has knowledge of good and evil. A dog doesn't know the difference. Do you believe it is virtuous to be forced to be virtuous? I don't. Virtue has no meaning or value unless it is chosen freely.

You sure are hung up on God punishing and rewarding people. I don't spend much time thinking about it at all. I'm too busy trying to figure out what it was I was supposed to have learned from my mistakes.

I was never given any satisfactory answers about god and guess what you aren't giving any either.

you don't care that your god capriciously slaughtered people for disobeying him if you believe the bible is actually true.

I have never seen people hold such diametrically opposed views as the religious and you are no different.

I didn't know it was my job. I didn't need anyone to do my work for me. You shouldn't either.

You don't believe in God so you don't believe He slaughtered anyone, now do you? So you are making an argument you don't believe.

I can live with that. I have never seen so many people talking about something they don't believe.

where did I say it was your job

I ask questions you don't give satisfactory answers

I guess it's a good thing it's not your job

You seemed a little demanding is all. Look this is pretty simple. Don't believe in God. See? Problem solved. Go and live a material life without care in the world.

and there is the judgmental arrogance I have come to know so well

you have no idea what kind of life I live do you? You know absolutely nothing about me yet you assume I am materialistic and immoral

well I have said before christians I have met are the most vile of people and that still stands

No judgment on my part at all. I may not accept your bullshit answer, but I don't judge you for lying about it. I know that the kind of life you have demands that you try to tear down others to make yourself feel good.