Assholes making trouble in Oregon

[JimH52]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

What did they violate? Bundy refused to pay what he owed.

 

[peach174]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

Of course, this is a lie. Oh yeah, has Bundy paid the tax payers back for illegally grazing his cattle on federal land. Maybe he can pay the after Stump caughs up his income tax returns.

And you just made the point very clear. Gov. side argument.
Why has he not been prosecuted for tax evasion?
Much simpler if it were true.

 

[peach174]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

What did they violate? Bundy refused to pay what he owed.

Read post # 4293 I'm not a parrot ya know.

 

[Old Rocks]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

 

[Vandalshandle]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Yeah, but he showed them!

 

[JimH52]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

Of course, this is a lie. Oh yeah, has Bundy paid the tax payers back for illegally grazing his cattle on federal land. Maybe he can pay the after Stump caughs up his income tax returns.

And you just made the point very clear. Gov. side argument.
Why has he not been prosecuted for tax evasion?
Much simpler if it were true.

You ain't so smart, are you?

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia



998–2012: Legal actions[edit]

United States v. Bundy "arose out of Bundy’s unauthorized grazing of his livestock on property owned by the United States and administered by the Department of the Interior through the BLM and the National Park Service."[32] On November 3, 1998, United States District Judge Johnnie B. Rawlinson "permanently enjoined (Bundy) from grazing his livestock within the Bunkerville Allotment ("The Allotment"), and shall remove his livestock from this allotment on or before November 30, 1998... (and) ordered that Plaintiff shall be entitled to trespass damages from Bundy in the amount of $200.00 per day per head for any livestock belonging to Bundy remaining on the Bunkerville Allotment after November 30, 1998."[3] Rawlinson wrote that "[t]he government has shown commendable restraint in allowing this trespass to continue for so long without impounding Bundy’s livestock."[3] This sentence was restated on October 8, 2013, by District Judge Larry R. Hicks.[32] On September 17, 1999, after Bundy failed to comply with the court's earlier order(s), the court issued another order directing Bundy to comply with the 1998 permanent injunction and modifying the trespass damages owed.[12][32][33]

2012–15: Legal actions[edit]

Bundy's cattle expanded into additional public land over the years. A planned April 2012 roundup of his cattle was called off when Bundy made violent threats against the Bureau of Land Management. The bureau's requests for assistance from the Clark County Sheriff's Department were met by a demand of Sheriff Doug Gillespie that the bureau seek a new warrant because, he said, the original 1998 order had become "stale."[34]

Because of Gillespie's demand, in May 2012 the government filed a second United States v. Bundy case,[a] seeking renewed enforcement authority for the original court orders along with relief for Bundy's trespassing on a new set of additional lands not covered by the original 1998 ruling: "including public lands within the Gold Butte area that are administered by the BLM, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area."[35] On December 21, 2012, the United States moved for summary judgment in this new case, and this motion was granted in an order signed by Senior District Judge Lloyd D. George on July 9, 2013.[35] The ruling permanently enjoined Bundy and his cattle from trespassing on the New Trespass Lands.[35] Another order was issued by Judge Larry R. Hicks on October 8, 2013, which stemmed from the earlier 1998 civil action against Bundy. The order allows the United States to "protect the ... Bunkerville Allotment

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Bundys are criminals. Finicum is a dead criminal. Those who defend the are either wannabee criminals or outright criminals.

 

[peach174]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

http://sct.narf.org/documents/yowellvabbey/petition.pdf

Yowel and Bundy both believe becase of this treaty, they have the rights to graze on that 10,000 acres.
It's been a continual charge for all western ranchers of the abuse of the BLM seizure of cattel since the 70's.

 

[peach174]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

Of course, this is a lie. Oh yeah, has Bundy paid the tax payers back for illegally grazing his cattle on federal land. Maybe he can pay the after Stump caughs up his income tax returns.

And you just made the point very clear. Gov. side argument.
Why has he not been prosecuted for tax evasion?
Much simpler if it were true.

You ain't so smart, are you?

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia



998–2012: Legal actions[edit]

United States v. Bundy "arose out of Bundy’s unauthorized grazing of his livestock on property owned by the United States and administered by the Department of the Interior through the BLM and the National Park Service."[32] On November 3, 1998, United States District Judge Johnnie B. Rawlinson "permanently enjoined (Bundy) from grazing his livestock within the Bunkerville Allotment ("The Allotment"), and shall remove his livestock from this allotment on or before November 30, 1998... (and) ordered that Plaintiff shall be entitled to trespass damages from Bundy in the amount of $200.00 per day per head for any livestock belonging to Bundy remaining on the Bunkerville Allotment after November 30, 1998."[3] Rawlinson wrote that "[t]he government has shown commendable restraint in allowing this trespass to continue for so long without impounding Bundy’s livestock."[3] This sentence was restated on October 8, 2013, by District Judge Larry R. Hicks.[32] On September 17, 1999, after Bundy failed to comply with the court's earlier order(s), the court issued another order directing Bundy to comply with the 1998 permanent injunction and modifying the trespass damages owed.[12][32][33]

2012–15: Legal actions[edit]

Bundy's cattle expanded into additional public land over the years. A planned April 2012 roundup of his cattle was called off when Bundy made violent threats against the Bureau of Land Management. The bureau's requests for assistance from the Clark County Sheriff's Department were met by a demand of Sheriff Doug Gillespie that the bureau seek a new warrant because, he said, the original 1998 order had become "stale."[34]

Because of Gillespie's demand, in May 2012 the government filed a second United States v. Bundy case,[a] seeking renewed enforcement authority for the original court orders along with relief for Bundy's trespassing on a new set of additional lands not covered by the original 1998 ruling: "including public lands within the Gold Butte area that are administered by the BLM, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area."[35] On December 21, 2012, the United States moved for summary judgment in this new case, and this motion was granted in an order signed by Senior District Judge Lloyd D. George on July 9, 2013.[35] The ruling permanently enjoined Bundy and his cattle from trespassing on the New Trespass Lands.[35] Another order was issued by Judge Larry R. Hicks on October 8, 2013, which stemmed from the earlier 1998 civil action against Bundy. The order allows the United States to "protect the ... Bunkerville Allotment

Those are the charges.
You have a link that he paid it yet?

 

[JimH52]

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

Of course, this is a lie. Oh yeah, has Bundy paid the tax payers back for illegally grazing his cattle on federal land. Maybe he can pay the after Stump caughs up his income tax returns.

And you just made the point very clear. Gov. side argument.
Why has he not been prosecuted for tax evasion?
Much simpler if it were true.

You ain't so smart, are you?

Bundy standoff - Wikipedia



998–2012: Legal actions[edit]

United States v. Bundy "arose out of Bundy’s unauthorized grazing of his livestock on property owned by the United States and administered by the Department of the Interior through the BLM and the National Park Service."[32] On November 3, 1998, United States District Judge Johnnie B. Rawlinson "permanently enjoined (Bundy) from grazing his livestock within the Bunkerville Allotment ("The Allotment"), and shall remove his livestock from this allotment on or before November 30, 1998... (and) ordered that Plaintiff shall be entitled to trespass damages from Bundy in the amount of $200.00 per day per head for any livestock belonging to Bundy remaining on the Bunkerville Allotment after November 30, 1998."[3] Rawlinson wrote that "[t]he government has shown commendable restraint in allowing this trespass to continue for so long without impounding Bundy’s livestock."[3] This sentence was restated on October 8, 2013, by District Judge Larry R. Hicks.[32] On September 17, 1999, after Bundy failed to comply with the court's earlier order(s), the court issued another order directing Bundy to comply with the 1998 permanent injunction and modifying the trespass damages owed.[12][32][33]

2012–15: Legal actions[edit]

Bundy's cattle expanded into additional public land over the years. A planned April 2012 roundup of his cattle was called off when Bundy made violent threats against the Bureau of Land Management. The bureau's requests for assistance from the Clark County Sheriff's Department were met by a demand of Sheriff Doug Gillespie that the bureau seek a new warrant because, he said, the original 1998 order had become "stale."[34]

Because of Gillespie's demand, in May 2012 the government filed a second United States v. Bundy case,[a] seeking renewed enforcement authority for the original court orders along with relief for Bundy's trespassing on a new set of additional lands not covered by the original 1998 ruling: "including public lands within the Gold Butte area that are administered by the BLM, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area."[35] On December 21, 2012, the United States moved for summary judgment in this new case, and this motion was granted in an order signed by Senior District Judge Lloyd D. George on July 9, 2013.[35] The ruling permanently enjoined Bundy and his cattle from trespassing on the New Trespass Lands.[35] Another order was issued by Judge Larry R. Hicks on October 8, 2013, which stemmed from the earlier 1998 civil action against Bundy. The order allows the United States to "protect the ... Bunkerville Allotment

Those are the charges.
You have a link that he paid it yet?

Criminals don't pay fines.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

http://sct.narf.org/documents/yowellvabbey/petition.pdf

Yowel and Bundy both believe becase of this treaty, they have the rights to graze on that 10,000 acres.
It's been a continual charge for all western ranchers of the abuse of the BLM seizure of cattel since the 70's.

What they believe is immaterial if the courts say they are wrong.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

http://sct.narf.org/documents/yowellvabbey/petition.pdf

Yowel and Bundy both believe becase of this treaty, they have the rights to graze on that 10,000 acres.
It's been a continual charge for all western ranchers of the abuse of the BLM seizure of cattel since the 70's.

What they believe is immaterial if the courts say they are wrong.

Dred Scott, Plessy, Korematsu

 

[JakeStarkey]

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

http://sct.narf.org/documents/yowellvabbey/petition.pdf

Yowel and Bundy both believe becase of this treaty, they have the rights to graze on that 10,000 acres.
It's been a continual charge for all western ranchers of the abuse of the BLM seizure of cattel since the 70's.

What they believe is immaterial if the courts say they are wrong.

Dred Scott, Plessy, Korematsu

Frank, focus, please. We are talking about the Bundy criminal gang.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

http://sct.narf.org/documents/yowellvabbey/petition.pdf

Yowel and Bundy both believe becase of this treaty, they have the rights to graze on that 10,000 acres.
It's been a continual charge for all western ranchers of the abuse of the BLM seizure of cattel since the 70's.

What they believe is immaterial if the courts say they are wrong.

Dred Scott, Plessy, Korematsu

Frank, focus, please. We are talking about the Bundy criminal gang.

Bundy's patriots. Do you consider the Indians standing for clean water to be criminals as well?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Link us to what you are talking about. They had grazing leases, not grazing rights. That is public land, not ranchers land. And were the government to sell it off as people like you want them to, it would be the big corporations that would buy the land, and then the ranchers would be paying $20 per unit, instead of the present fee that is under $2 per unit. If the corporations would lease the grazing to them at all. More that likely, they would refuse, and buy up the ranchers land a pennies on the dollar after they went broke for lack of grazing land.

http://sct.narf.org/documents/yowellvabbey/petition.pdf

Yowel and Bundy both believe becase of this treaty, they have the rights to graze on that 10,000 acres.
It's been a continual charge for all western ranchers of the abuse of the BLM seizure of cattel since the 70's.

What they believe is immaterial if the courts say they are wrong.

Dred Scott, Plessy, Korematsu

Frank, focus, please. We are talking about the Bundy criminal gang.

Bundy's patriots. Do you consider the Indians standing for clean water to be criminals as well?

Nope, they are not. And the Bundys worry about cattle, not clean water for indigenous peoples.

 

[teddyearp]

Frank, focus, please. We are talking about the Bundy criminal gang.

Jake, please focus, you mean the Bundy acquitted gang.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, focus, please. We are talking about the Bundy criminal gang.

Jake, please focus, you mean the Bundy acquitted gang.

We are talking about the criminal gang. Jury nullification does not end that they are acknowledged criminals.

 

[Andylusion]

UPDATE: The remaining defendants who did not plead out were all acquitted:

Jury finds all 7 wildlife refuge occupiers including Ammon Bundy not guilty on all counts

Funny how this ending never made big news. And for all you haters that posted in this thread. Now who's the assholes?

The saddest part is that now LaVoy Finicum was actually killed for nothing. He would have been acquitted as well. Smacks of murder even more now.

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

What did they violate? Bundy refused to pay what he owed.

This is where Wikipedia fails.

Everything you said is true... but you are missing a few facts.

The BLM which owns 2/3rds of Nevada (unconstitutionally I might add), changed the permit rules.

The new rules required that Bundy not graze cattle. Well... Bundy can't just not feed his cattle, because the BLM wants to protect a turtle. When your whole occupation is cattle rancher, and have the Federal Government say "well you can't graze that many cattle anymore", that's effectively destroying your income.

If the Federal Government showed up and said there was an endangered mole-rat living in your companies basement, so you can only work 3 days a week from here on, cutting your pay to 3/5ths.... would you be peachy and fine with that? Because that is exactly what happened to Bundy, and you seem to support that.

Bundy was perfectly fine paying the permits as long as the he was allowed to graze his cattle. Bundy only stopped paying the permits, when he was told he couldn't graze the cattle anymore.

And the irony is, you people are whining about how he didn't pay the permits, when in reality he wouldn't have to pay that much in permits anyway, because the whole problem was started when the BLM refused to permit him to graze all his cattle.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The idiot committed suicide by cop. We have all seen the vids. All he had to do was drop his weapon.

The point is he would still be alive to begin with if the Feds had not abused their BLM grazing rights.

All he had to do was drop his weapon. He killed himself.

Totally agree with you, he was stupid.
Point is Feds should not have violated original grazing rights which has been going on since the 70's with all cattle ranchers.

What did they violate? Bundy refused to pay what he owed.

This is where Wikipedia fails.

Everything you said is true... but you are missing a few facts.

The BLM which owns 2/3rds of Nevada (unconstitutionally I might add), changed the permit rules.

The new rules required that Bundy not graze cattle. Well... Bundy can't just not feed his cattle, because the BLM wants to protect a turtle. When your whole occupation is cattle rancher, and have the Federal Government say "well you can't graze that many cattle anymore", that's effectively destroying your income.

If the Federal Government showed up and said there was an endangered mole-rat living in your companies basement, so you can only work 3 days a week from here on, cutting your pay to 3/5ths.... would you be peachy and fine with that? Because that is exactly what happened to Bundy, and you seem to support that.

Bundy was perfectly fine paying the permits as long as the he was allowed to graze his cattle. Bundy only stopped paying the permits, when he was told he couldn't graze the cattle anymore.

And the irony is, you people are whining about how he didn't pay the permits, when in reality he wouldn't have to pay that much in permits anyway, because the whole problem was started when the BLM refused to permit him to graze all his cattle.

Only the illiterate think federal ownership of lands is unconstitutional.

Nothing can be discussed with such folks until they become educated.

 

[teddyearp]

Frank, focus, please. We are talking about the Bundy criminal gang.

Jake, please focus, you mean the Bundy acquitted gang.

We are talking about the criminal gang. Jury nullification does not end that they are acknowledged criminals.

So even an acquittal means nothing to you mon fuehrer? Since the jury's verdict goes contrary to your opinion?