Mother of 10 year old arrested for letting him walk to store alone

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Here is what we were saying in 2006. This is why I love the internet. I could do the same thing with NAFTA. Show you that it was Republicans who invented it and they all signed it. They just got Clinton to sign it. But you people forget Republicans came up with it. And you deny why. So read this and realize, your party is divided. The corporations who benefit from illegal immigration and the MAGA or "racists". But for the record, I think we all agree people should not be in this country illegally. The question is what we should do about it.

We can go back and forth but ultimately, I have to agree we need to stop this. I hope you realize after reading this that we must go after illegal employers like we used to. They are what's drawing them here. Even after Trump throws out all the illegals he can find, the problem will persist because illegal employers will still exist. Republicans say they know where the illegals are. Then they probably know where they work.

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America. Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are...

www.thomhartmann.com

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America.

Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are some jobs Americans won't do." It's a lie.

Americans will do virtually any job if they're paid a decent wage. This isn't about immigration - it's about economics. Industry and agriculture won't collapse without illegal labor, but the middle class is being crushed by it.

Doesn't that sound a lot like Trump? That is what us Democrats were saying about illegals back in the Bush years. Don't forget. It was UNIONS

30 years ago (now 48) United Farm Workers' Union (UFW) founder César Chávez fought against illegal immigration, and the UFW turned in illegals during his tenure as president, was because Chávez, like progressives since the 1870s, understood the simple reality that labor rises and falls in price as a function of availability.

Do a little math. The Bureau of Labor Statistics says there are 7.6 million unemployed Americans right now. Another 1.5 million Americans are no longer counted because they've become "long term" or "discouraged" unemployed workers. And although various groups have different ways of measuring it, most agree that at least another five to ten million Americans are either working part-time when they want to work full-time, or are "underemployed," doing jobs below their level of training, education, or experience. That's between eight and twenty million un- and under-employed Americans, many unable to find above-poverty-level work.

At the same time, there are between seven and fifteen million working illegal immigrants diluting our labor pool.

Between the Reagan years - when there were only around 1 to 2 million illegal aliens in our workforce - and today, we've gone from about 25 percent of our private workforce being unionized to around seven percent. Much of this is the direct result - as César Chávez predicted - of illegal immigrants competing directly with unionized and legal labor. Although it's most obvious in the construction trades over the past 30 years, it's hit all sectors of our economy.

Thom Hartmann is FOS

There are corporate repubs but fewer now than before trump took office the first time

And repubs who want sensible immigration are not racists

So you are FOS too

Recall that clinton and algore fought hard for NAFTA

The truth is there is planty of blame to go around

But currently republicans are “fer” workers and dems are “‘agin’”

 

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Thom Hartmann is FOS

There are corporate repubs but fewer now than before trump took office the first time

And repubs who want sensible immigration are not racists

So you are FOS too

Recall that clinton and algore fought hard for NAFTA

The truth is there is planty of blame to go around

But currently republicans are “fer” workers and dems are “‘agin’”

I knew you'd take offense to that. I wish he didn't write that part about it being racist. So take that out and it's exactly what you are saying now. So no he is not FOS. Otherwise, you are.

How the fuck do you know there are fewer illegal employers now? No there are not. Trump himself might be hiring illegals. Through a 3rd party company who does all his hiring so he can say he didn't know.

Clinton did not fight for NAFTA. It was going to be signed by HW Bush but he lost. It was a done deal. And Clinton put in worker protections and environmental protections in NAFTA before he would sign it. Just admit it was Reagan/Bush/Republicans who invented NAFTA. It's a fact. Just look at who voted YEA and who voted NAY. It was us who voted NO dummy.

This is not going to do shit for workers. Here's why. You think employers are going to raise wages and lower prices? HA! So ultimately, you're going to find Trump gave you very little if anything when it all shakes out but ELON will do great.

Maybe you are in the oil industry? Okay, then maybe you'll do better these next 4 years.

 

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Thom Hartmann is FOS

There are corporate repubs but fewer now than before trump took office the first time

And repubs who want sensible immigration are not racists

So you are FOS too

Recall that clinton and algore fought hard for NAFTA

The truth is there is planty of blame to go around

But currently republicans are “fer” workers and dems are “‘agin’”

After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. president George H. W. Bush, Mexican president Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA.

 

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I knew you'd take offense to that. I wish he didn't write that part about it being racist. So take that out and it's exactly what you are saying now. So no he is not FOS. Otherwise, you are.

How the fuck do you know there are fewer illegal employers now? No there are not. Trump himself might be hiring illegals. Through a 3rd party company who does all his hiring so he can say he didn't know.

Clinton did not fight for NAFTA. It was going to be signed by HW Bush but he lost. It was a done deal. And Clinton put in worker protections and environmental protections in NAFTA before he would sign it. Just admit it was Reagan/Bush/Republicans who invented NAFTA. It's a fact. Just look at who voted YEA and who voted NAY. It was us who voted NO dummy.

This is not going to do shit for workers. Here's why. You think employers are going to raise wages and lower prices? HA! So ultimately, you're going to find Trump gave you very little if anything when it all shakes out but ELON will do great.

Maybe you are in the oil industry? Okay, then maybe you'll do better these next 4 years.

Ok, forget the racist meme

Employers will hire illegals because they have to

If one supplier in a market hires illegals everyone has to or they could go out of business

 

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After the signing of the Canada–United States Free Trade Agreement in 1988, the administrations of U.S. president George H. W. Bush, Mexican president Carlos Salinas de Gortari, and Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney agreed to negotiate what became NAFTA.

The is plenty of blame to go around

Dems and repubs both

 

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Ok, forget the racist meme

Employers will hire illegals because they have to

If one supplier in a market hires illegals everyone has to or they could go out of business

Interesting you say that. Yet another reason Unions are good.

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America. Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are...

www.thomhartmann.com

"In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."

Working Americans have always known this simple equation: More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

Progressives fought - and many lost their lives in the battle - to limit the pool of "labor hours" available to the Robber Barons from the 1870s through the 1930s and thus created the modern middle class. They limited labor-hours by pushing for the 50-hour week and the 10-hour day (and then later the 40-hour week and the 8-hour day). They limited labor-hours by pushing for laws against child labor (which competed with adult labor). They limited labor-hours by working for passage of the 1935 Wagner Act that provided for union shops.

And they limited labor-hours by supporting laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the unionized labor pool. As Wikipedia notes: "The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers."

 

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Interesting you say that. Yet another reason Unions are good.

Today's Immigration Battle Corporatists vs. Racists (and Labor is Left Behind)

The corporatist Republicans ("amnesty!") are fighting with the racist Republicans ("fence!"), and it provides an opportunity for progressives to step forward with a clear solution to the immigration problem facing America. Both the corporatists and the racists are fond of the mantra, "There are...

www.thomhartmann.com

"In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valley to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of illegal aliens as temporary replacement workers during a strike. Joining him on the march were both the Reverend Ralph Abernathy and U.S. Senator Walter Mondale. Chávez and the UFW would often report suspected illegal aliens who served as temporary replacement workers as well as who refused to unionize to the INS."

Working Americans have always known this simple equation: More workers, lower wages. Fewer workers, higher wages.

Progressives fought - and many lost their lives in the battle - to limit the pool of "labor hours" available to the Robber Barons from the 1870s through the 1930s and thus created the modern middle class. They limited labor-hours by pushing for the 50-hour week and the 10-hour day (and then later the 40-hour week and the 8-hour day). They limited labor-hours by pushing for laws against child labor (which competed with adult labor). They limited labor-hours by working for passage of the 1935 Wagner Act that provided for union shops.

And they limited labor-hours by supporting laws that would regulate immigration into the United States to a small enough flow that it wouldn't dilute the unionized labor pool. As Wikipedia notes: "The first laws creating a quota for immigrants were passed in the 1920s, in response to a sense that the country could no longer absorb large numbers of unskilled workers, despite pleas by big business that it wanted the new workers."

Chávez was against the illegal alien invasion

Good for him

But he never got enough credit for his conservative positions

Several years ago the deep blue liberal wacko Dallas City Council wanted to develop the Trinity River that runs through Dallas into a very high class amusement and entertainment center

But it ran next to Industrial Blvd, a name that the lib city leaders didn't think was appropriate for their dreams

So they held a public input to choose a new name

What the normally woke libs failed to account for was all the hispanics living within the city

And they voted for Ceasar Chávez Blvd

The Council was very embarrassed but promptly rename the street Riverfront Blvd

 

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Chávez was against the illegal alien invasion

Good for him

But he never got enough credit for his conservative positions

Several years ago the deep blue liberal wacko Dallas City Council wanted to develop the Trinity River that runs through Dallas into a very high class amusement and entertainment center

But it ran next to Industrial Blvd, a name that the lib city leaders didn't think was appropriate for their dreams

So they held a public input to choose a new name

What the normally woke libs failed to account for was all the hispanics living within the city

And they voted for Ceasar Chávez Blvd

The Council was very embarrassed but promptly rename the street Riverfront Blvd

Here's my prediction. Let's say Trump runs all the illegals out and it raises wages. How much is it going to raise wages? And won't that cause inflation?

My prediction is that raises won't be coming. So more and more employees are going to vote to unionize. Trump and Musk will make striking illegal.

Ultimately, they (Trump and Corporations) don't want uneducated blue collar workers making more. They may promise to lower prices of things, but that's a lie too. Any raises these blue collar people get will be offset with cuts to social programs and safety nets.

Employees will need to unionize. And if I were Democrats, I would try to win over unions. Don't wait for Trump to fuck them and then say I told you so. Say it now. Warn them.

 

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A mother left her ten year old son alone while she took his brother to a doctors appointment. While alone, the kid walked to a nearby store a mile away. Someone reported it and the cops picked up the kid and arrested the mother.

https://thespun.com/trending/mom-arrested-for-letting-10-year-old-walk-home-alone-speaks-out

Brittany Patterson, 41, was arrested last month. The Georgia mom was taken into custody and hit with "child endangerment-related charges" by the Fannin County Sheriff’s Department on Oct. 30. She had allowed one of her four kids, a 10 year old, to walk home alone.

Ridiculous. I hope she sues the shit out of them.

 

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Here's my prediction. Let's say Trump runs all the illegals out and it raises wages. How much is it going to raise wages? And won't that cause inflation?

My prediction is that raises won't be coming. So more and more employees are going to vote to unionize. Trump and Musk will make striking illegal.

Ultimately, they (Trump and Corporations) don't want uneducated blue collar workers making more. They may promise to lower prices of things, but that's a lie too. Any raises these blue collar people get will be offset with cuts to social programs and safety nets.

Employees will need to unionize. And if I were Democrats, I would try to win over unions. Don't wait for Trump to fuck them and then say I told you so. Say it now. Warn them.

You have a strong attraction to unions

Outside of the far north and the the rust belt most states are Right to Work

There is a strong odor of corruption that goes with unions and many people do not trust them

So it will be an uphill battle for unions

But you are wrong about MAGAs not wanting workers to earn more

We know that removing illegal aliens from the worker pool will mean higher wages for American workers with or without unions

 

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You have a strong attraction to unions

Outside of the far north and the the rust belt most states are Right to Work

There is a strong odor of corruption that goes with unions and many people do not trust them

So it will be an uphill battle for unions

But you are wrong about MAGAs not wanting workers to earn more

We know that removing illegal aliens from the worker pool will mean higher wages for American workers with or without unions

Unions are popping up down south. Most infrastructure and green jobs went to the south. You're welcome. But those employees along with Amazon and car companies, etc. Unions are making a comeback. Workers in the South are finally standing up. And many of them came from the north for the work and brought their liberal ways with them. Now you can deal with labor when they organize.

And companies spend a lot of money breaking unions. No surprise Trump and Elon hate unions and will take them on. Thus hurting the middle class more. I hope so because a lot of those idiots voted for Trump. If Kamala won her rightful share of union votes, she would have won. So unions deserve Trump and Elon.

And Trump told them! Right before the election when he went on a podcast with Elon

UAW FILES FEDERAL LABOR CHARGES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND ELON MUSK FOR ATTEMPTING TO INTIMIDATE AND THREATEN WORKERS​

UAW Files Federal Labor Charges Against Donald Trump and Elon Musk for Attempting to Intimidate and Threaten Workers - UAW | United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America

The UAW has filed federal labor charges against disgraced billionaires Donald Trump and Elon Musk for their illegal attempts to threaten and intimidate workers who stand up for themselves by engaging in protected concerted activity, such as strikes. After significant technical delays on X...

uaw.org

This case is getting thrown out. LOL

 

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Unions are popping up down south. Most infrastructure and green jobs went to the south. You're welcome. But those employees along with Amazon and car companies, etc. Unions are making a comeback. Workers in the South are finally standing up. And many of them came from the north for the work and brought their liberal ways with them. Now you can deal with labor when they organize.

And companies spend a lot of money breaking unions. No surprise Trump and Elon hate unions and will take them on. Thus hurting the middle class more. I hope so because a lot of those idiots voted for Trump. If Kamala won her rightful share of union votes, she would have won. So unions deserve Trump and Elon.

And Trump told them! Right before the election when he went on a podcast with Elon

UAW FILES FEDERAL LABOR CHARGES AGAINST DONALD TRUMP AND ELON MUSK FOR ATTEMPTING TO INTIMIDATE AND THREATEN WORKERS​

UAW Files Federal Labor Charges Against Donald Trump and Elon Musk for Attempting to Intimidate and Threaten Workers - UAW | United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America

The UAW has filed federal labor charges against disgraced billionaires Donald Trump and Elon Musk for their illegal attempts to threaten and intimidate workers who stand up for themselves by engaging in protected concerted activity, such as strikes. After significant technical delays on X...

uaw.org

This case is getting thrown out. LOL

Right to Work is strong competition for unions where available

 

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Right to Work is strong competition for unions where available

Right to work means you have no right to your job. What does it mean to you?

 

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Right to work means you have no right to your job. What does it mean to you?

It means you are not lining some corrupt union boss’ pockets

 

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It means you are not lining some corrupt union boss’ pockets

But enjoy the high wages and job security that comes with being in that union? That's bullshit. It's just an attempt to break the union. If some workers can not join but they get the same raises and job security? That's bullshit.

 

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But enjoy the high wages and job security that comes with being in that union? That's bullshit. It's just an attempt to break the union. If some workers can not join but they get the same raises and job security? That's bullshit.

In states that have Right to Work individuals are free to choose what they want

Non RTW states take that choice away

 

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In states that have Right to Work individuals are free to choose what they want

Non RTW states take that choice away

Hey, you can choose not to interview at a unionized company that pays great. You can choose to go work for a non union company that pays shit.

 

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Ok, forget the racist meme

Employers will hire illegals because they have to

If one supplier in a market hires illegals everyone has to or they could go out of business

No!

Why couldn't the good guys just turn in the company competing with them, for criminally hiring illegals, instead of turning in to criminals themselves to compete?

Don't you think your approach and excuses for them is taking the depraved route?

 

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Hey, you can choose not to interview at a unionized company that pays great.

Thats not much of a choice

Unemployment or a slave to the union?

 

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Why couldn't the good guys just turn in the company competing with them, for criminally hiring illegals, instead of turning in to criminals themselves to compete?

Because in many cases the government does not do its job and round up the illegal workers