Assault Weapons Ban would be unconstitutional. "A State Militia must be maintained and well regulated"

[2aguy]

The National Guard has many assault rifles and many other cool weapons. They are the State Militias, who were always ultimately under the command of the CiC. Not the private gun clubs. "A well regulated Militia," means trained in the art of war.

STUPID ****. The 2A refers to a right of the PEOPLE, free and clear of the government, to carry and bear arms against the GOVERNMENT, and you think it is the right of the government to carry out armies. Show us where it says that here:

Army National Guard

www.nationalguard.com

or here:

National Guard (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Your quote.....A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined.

With 30,000 gun deaths a year, our people are anything but disciplined

2019...

10,235 gun murders. 70-80% of the victims are criminals murdered by other criminals.....of the rest, about 2,000 actual innocent victims, the majority are friends and family of criminals caught up in the criminal activity.

Suicide...23,941

Guns are not the issue in suicide.....but lumping them in with gun murder is the desperate lie you guys tell to hide the facts, truth and reality from uninformed Americans

 

[danielpalos]

Our Second Amendment is clear as to what is necessary to the security of a free State. The People are the militia.

 

[2aguy]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

The National Guard has many assault rifles and many other cool weapons. They are the State Militias, who were always ultimately under the command of the CiC. Not the private gun clubs.

"A well regulated Militia," means trained in the art of war.

“The People” is confusing to you?

Nope. At the time it was mostly white male property owners who were required to join their local Militia and most had to furnish their own weapons.

Too ******* bad. 2A Isnt going anywhere.

What other ammendments do you think should be abolished? 1st?

Nobody wants to do away with the 2nd. That is bullshit spewed by the NRA You know, that gun nut organization that is bankrupt because the top gun nuts stole your money?

And you trying to tell us that is actual bullshit.....

 

[2aguy]

Why are all the right's gun arguments like bad movie plots? Just say you like having guns and shooting guns and that they make you feel safe. Kind of lacks the punch of your wild predictions of government tyranny, invasions of zombie-like urbanites invading suburbia and civil wars. I'm not in favor of most kinds of bans because they would not work but I'll be damned if I'm on the same side of this issue with people who live in fantasy land. Is just being real not a good enough argument in the face of our astounding gun violence death toll?

According to the Centers For Disease Control......Americans use their guns 1.1 million times a year for self defense.....regular citizens, not police or military.

1.1 million times rape, robbery and murder are resisted and stopped by Americans with legal guns.

Meanwhile, in Europe, the countries of Europe banned and confiscated guns after World War 1, using the exact same arguments people like you are making now...

They don't need them.

They will be safer without them.

20 years after the bans and confiscation, the German socialists murdered 12 million innocent men, women and children.

20 years to go from the Weimar Government, with universities, the rule of law, democracy, Science, philosoply..............to the death camps where 12 million innocent men, women and children, guilty of no crimes...were murdered...

Keep telling us it is a fantasy....you moron.

 

[danielpalos]

The gun lobby has a vested interest and any for-profit organizations should be seeking to maximize profits from any potential lobbying efforts.

Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well. The People are the Militia. We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[2aguy]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

More pretzel logic from the party of twisted thinking. Reading the Constitution, the second Amendment says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It doesn't say the "unfettered right of the people" shall not be infringed, so the law provides for regulation of gun rights. Only the right to own a gun is guaranteed.

And no you are not guaranteed the right to military grade weapons. Not to mention that while the technology existed to make repeating weapons, they were both difficult and expensive to make, and were not widely available until 1830. It took a minute to reload after firing and prepare for another shot. One mass shooter in the mid-West shot 30 people in 30 seconds with an AR15 a couple of years ago. Those guns should not be on the streets, and I'm thinking the Founders would be shocked and horrified and what has happened to the USA as a result of the 2nd Amendment.

A militia is defined as "a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency". You have to be a member of a "well regulated militia" to have unfettered access to weapons under the Second Amendment. That would be the National Guard, so if you're Guard Member, you get to have a gun, but otherwise, not so much.

The AR-15 is a regular, plain rifle.......it is no different from any other semi-automatic pistol, shotgun or rifle...it is no more deadly than any of those.....

There is only one mass public shooting where the rifle had an advantage in the shooting, and that was Las Vegas, where the range was over 200 yards......but he was also firing into a tightly packed crowd of over 22,000 people, at night, from a concealed and fortified position.......with his initial shooting masked by the concert.

And had he not had that crowd trapped in that concert arena, he wouldn't have been able to kill as many since they would have run away or found cover.....since shooting at moving targets at hundreds of yards is incredibly difficult....

At the range of every other mass public shooting a rifle has no advantage over pistols or shotguns.......

For example....

Boulder, rifle 10 killed



A 7 shot, pump action shotgun..... murdered 12, like the Navy Yard shooter...



A 5 shot, pump action shotgun..... murdered 20 people and wounded 70, like the Kerch, Russia shooter...with the local police station 100 yards away....





9mm pistol, and a .22 caliber pistol with a 10 round magazine and murdered 32 people like the Virginia tech shooter...



2, 9mm pistols and murdered 24 people, like the Luby's cafe shooter....



double barreled shotgun, and a .22 caliber bolt action rifle...and killed 13 people, like the shooter in Cumbria, England did....



That rifle had no special advantage in a mass public shooting.

 

[2aguy]

Why are all the right's gun arguments like bad movie plots? Just say you like having guns and shooting guns and that they make you feel safe. Kind of lacks the punch of your wild predictions of government tyranny, invasions of zombie-like urbanites invading suburbia and civil wars. I'm not in favor of most kinds of bans because they would not work but I'll be damned if I'm on the same side of this issue with people who live in fantasy land. Is just being real not a good enough argument in the face of our astounding gun violence death toll?

Correct.

There’s nothing more ridiculous than conservatives trying to ‘justify’ owning a firearm.

Citizens are not required to ‘justify’ the exercising of a fundamental right – such as the Second Amendment right – as a ‘prerequisite’ to indeed do so.

Conservatives need to stop with the hyperbole, demagoguery, and lies.

Then tell the democrats to stop creating bans and confiscation laws for rifles and magazines.......how about you do that first.

 

[2aguy]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

The National Guard has many assault rifles and many other cool weapons. They are the State Militias, who were always ultimately under the command of the CiC. Not the private gun clubs.

"A well regulated Militia," means trained in the art of war.

That comma in the 2nd Amendment must short circuit the lefts brain or something because you people always leave out everything after it.

They know what the 2nd Amendment says....they hate it, and so they pretend it doesn't exist since it stops them from banning and confiscating guns....

I would have more respect for them if instead of lying and pretending they don't know what it actually means, they would simply put fingers in their ears, and jump up and down and yell..."I don't care what it says....I don't care what it says....I want bad guns to go away."

 

[2aguy]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

So?

We already have that.

It's called the National Guard. Every state has their own National Guard. I volunteered and was a member off the National Guard for my state when I was in my 20s. I have no doubt you never even took the entrance exam much less volunteered to serve our nation.

It is not unconstitutional to ban assault weapons.

Clinton did it when he was president. The law lasted 10 years. The bush boy was president when it ended with the republicans in control of the congress so they didn't renew the law.

Your post screams just how down right stupid and ignorant of the law you are.

It is unConstitutional...that the divided Supreme Court refused to hear cases doesn't make it Constitutional.......when the democrat justices on the Supreme Court said that separate facilities for blacks was Constitutional, that didn't make it Constitutional.......

 

[schmidlap]

.....the militia is civilians....

Any "civilian" can just declare himself a "militia" without American society having a legal means of protecting itself?

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For over 200 years, the conventional view was that the first clause of the Second Amendment limited the second clause. The right to keep and bear arms was for the purpose of maintaining a militia.

That traditional view changed in 2008, when the Supreme Court transferred the right to the individual (D.C. v. Heller)

Despite the false claim of absolutists and extremists, the Court did not say that all gun control is unconstitutional.

The public support for sensible restrictions to curtail the firearm permissiveness in America is sanctioned under law.

The Heller opinion was written by Antonin Scalia for a 5-4 majority. The self-proclaimed “strict constructionist” ignored the literal text and long-standing precedent, opining that there was an unstated “pre-existing right” to bear arms for self-defense, not just for use in a militia.

Scalia did acknowledge in regard to gun control laws,
“Some undoubtedly are [permissible] because there were some that were acknowledged at the time the Constitution was written …"

“So yes, there are some limitations that can be imposed.
What they are will depend on what the society understood
were reasonable limitations at the time.”
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[Dana7360]

An Assault weapons ban would take this weapon away from the state citizens, thus negating the right to organize a states militia.

The individual right to possess a firearm is unconnected with militia service, weapons in common use, such as the AR 15, are protected by the Second Amendment.

STUPID ****. The 2A refers to a right of the PEOPLE, free and clear of the government, to carry and bear arms against the GOVERNMENT

On August 7, 1794, President Washington issued a proclamation, calling out the militia and ordering the disaffected westerners to return to their homes. Washington's order mobilized an army of approximately 13,000 — as large as the one that had defeated the British — under the command of General Harry Lee, the then-Governor of Virginia and father of Robert E. Lee. Washington himself, in a show of presidential authority, set out at the head of the troops to suppress the uprising. This was the first use of the Militia Law of 1792 setting a precedent for the use of the militia to "execute the laws of the union, (and) suppress insurrections," asserting the right of the national government to enforce order in one state with troops raised in other states. Even more importantly, it was the first test of power of the new federal government, establishing its primacy in disputes with individual states. In the end, a dozen or so men were arrested, sent to Philadelphia to trial and released after pardons by Washington.

Stupid ****.

Yes, we all know you are a stupid ****. That "STUPID ****" tattoo on your forehead, and all the stupid **** posts that you make have clearly demonstrated that. No need to just randomly identify yourself as you did in #20

I love toobie, he makes me laugh.

Stupid *****, trolls and shitheads, the left all.

So what was your favorite part of our history when President Washington Commanded a State Militia?

Did it make you fell like you're a "Dumb ****"?

The president still does.

Those who served in the National Guard were sent to Vietnam by the presidents at the time.

The bush boy sent the Guard to is wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The National Guard is a state military. Mostly controlled by the governor of the state but the president can federalize the Guard to send them off to wars in other nations.

 

[Crepitus]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

Which state is it that has a militia?

Almost all states.
If you read the state constitution, most say something like that all male adults are automatically part of the militia.
That means they can be called upon at any time, for things like a posse.
But remember back then there were no police, so people were also expected to protect their own possessions.

Proof?
"Well regulated"?

This is the common law for the common defense:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

No proof, then.

 

[danielpalos]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

Which state is it that has a militia?

Almost all states.
If you read the state constitution, most say something like that all male adults are automatically part of the militia.
That means they can be called upon at any time, for things like a posse.
But remember back then there were no police, so people were also expected to protect their own possessions.

Proof?
"Well regulated"?

This is the common law for the common defense:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

No proof, then.

I cited a State Constitution.

 

[Dana7360]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

No the state militia has absolutely no use for an assault weapon.

The National Guard is trained on fully automatic weapons in basic training.

I was in the National Guard for my state.

I was trained by the Air National Guard to use a fully automatic weapon.

No where is an assault weapon in existence in the National Guard.

They also have no problem with obtaining weapons. They, like the rest of the military, have the finest weapons made.

They have absolutely no use or patience for those pea shooters you idiots with a small penis you're trying to over compensate for use.

In fact, those of us who are or were honestly in a state militia laugh at you idiots with you assault weapons. You people are nothing but a joke.

 

[BrokeLoser]

A "militia" is comprised of civilians whom are NOT under the command of government.

E.g.,

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Government forces attempt to command "militia."​

The National Guard has many assault rifles and many other cool weapons. They are the State Militias, who were always ultimately under the command of the CiC. Not the private gun clubs. "A well regulated Militia," means trained in the art of war.

STUPID ****. The 2A refers to a right of the PEOPLE, free and clear of the government, to carry and bear arms against the GOVERNMENT, and you think it is the right of the government to carry out armies. Show us where it says that here:

Army National Guard

www.nationalguard.com

or here:

National Guard (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Your quote.....A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined.

With 30,000 gun deaths a year, our people are anything but disciplined

Why haven’t you Tards brought a Bill to the floor that would keep guns out of the hands of dark Democrats?
Are you sure you really want to mitigate gun crime?

 

[2aguy]

An Assault weapons ban would take this weapon away from the state citizens, thus negating the right to organize a states militia.

The individual right to possess a firearm is unconnected with militia service, weapons in common use, such as the AR 15, are protected by the Second Amendment.

STUPID ****. The 2A refers to a right of the PEOPLE, free and clear of the government, to carry and bear arms against the GOVERNMENT

On August 7, 1794, President Washington issued a proclamation, calling out the militia and ordering the disaffected westerners to return to their homes. Washington's order mobilized an army of approximately 13,000 — as large as the one that had defeated the British — under the command of General Harry Lee, the then-Governor of Virginia and father of Robert E. Lee. Washington himself, in a show of presidential authority, set out at the head of the troops to suppress the uprising. This was the first use of the Militia Law of 1792 setting a precedent for the use of the militia to "execute the laws of the union, (and) suppress insurrections," asserting the right of the national government to enforce order in one state with troops raised in other states. Even more importantly, it was the first test of power of the new federal government, establishing its primacy in disputes with individual states. In the end, a dozen or so men were arrested, sent to Philadelphia to trial and released after pardons by Washington.

Stupid ****.

Yes, we all know you are a stupid ****. That "STUPID ****" tattoo on your forehead, and all the stupid **** posts that you make have clearly demonstrated that. No need to just randomly identify yourself as you did in #20

I love toobie, he makes me laugh.

Stupid *****, trolls and shitheads, the left all.

So what was your favorite part of our history when President Washington Commanded a State Militia?

Did it make you fell like you're a "Dumb ****"?

The president still does.

Those who served in the National Guard were sent to Vietnam by the presidents at the time.

The bush boy sent the Guard to is wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The National Guard is a state military. Mostly controlled by the governor of the state but the president can federalize the Guard to send them off to wars in other nations.

Which is why it is not the militia.

 

[Crepitus]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

Which state is it that has a militia?

Almost all states.
If you read the state constitution, most say something like that all male adults are automatically part of the militia.
That means they can be called upon at any time, for things like a posse.
But remember back then there were no police, so people were also expected to protect their own possessions.

Proof?
"Well regulated"?

This is the common law for the common defense:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

No proof, then.

I cited a State Constitution.

Nope. You quoted something without citing at all.

 

[2aguy]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

No the state militia has absolutely no use for an assault weapon.

The National Guard is trained on fully automatic weapons in basic training.

I was in the National Guard for my state.

I was trained by the Air National Guard to use a fully automatic weapon.

No where is an assault weapon in existence in the National Guard.

They also have no problem with obtaining weapons. They, like the rest of the military, have the finest weapons made.

They have absolutely no use or patience for those pea shooters you idiots with a small penis you're trying to over compensate for use.

In fact, those of us who are or were honestly in a state militia laugh at you idiots with you assault weapons. You people are nothing but a joke.

Shit bird....you were in the Air National Guard......I was in the Army Guard. Air National Guard is even farther removed from the real military as you can get, so bragging about your weapons skills is just silly. The only fighters in the Air Guard are pilots.....

In the actual military you use select fire weapons......the AR-15 is not a select fire weapon, it is not a military weapon...it is a civilian and police rifle, no different from any other semi-automatic rifle, pistol or shotgun.

 

[2aguy]

The United States constitution clearly states that a "States militia must be well regulated and maintained." A weapon of a "States militia" is an assault rifle. Any ban would violate the United States constitution.

Which state is it that has a militia?

Almost all states.
If you read the state constitution, most say something like that all male adults are automatically part of the militia.
That means they can be called upon at any time, for things like a posse.
But remember back then there were no police, so people were also expected to protect their own possessions.

Proof?
"Well regulated"?

This is the common law for the common defense:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

No proof, then.

I cited a State Constitution.

Nope. You quoted something without citing at all.

Crepitus....I think you are a twit....but even I have to ask...why do you engage danielpalos?

 

[schmidlap]

An Assault weapons ban would take this weapon away from the state citizens, thus negating the right to organize a states militia.

Unlimited permissiveness is not the privilege of any duly-authorized state militia, and not all self-proclaimed militias are lawful.

... the U.S. Constitution and state laws use the term “militia” to refer to all able-bodied residents between certain ages who may be called forth by the government when there is a specific need; but private individuals have no legal authority to activate themselves for militia duty outside the authority of the federal or state government.​

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Fact Sheets on Unlawful Militias for All 50 States Now Available from Georgetown Law’s Institute for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection

www.law.georgetown.edu

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