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Florida judge dismisses fraud lawsuit against DNC​

Florida judge dismisses fraud lawsuit against DNC

A year-long legal battle over the DNC's handling of the 2016 presidential primary came to an end, with a federal judge dismissing the class-action suit.

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DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules

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The DNC and RNC are Private Corporations

In 2017, a Florida judge dismissed a class-action lawsuit against the DNC brought by supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders over the handling of the 2016 presidential primary. The court ruled that the DNC is a private corporation and that voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the...

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The national parties are corporations, and the court has ruled, they need not pay attention to anything the voters desire.

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That's it Mr B.......hold my calls......i'll be hiding under my bed ...... ~S~

 

[MisterBeale]

We have BEEN a police state for some time now. Where have you been?
The USA has had more police per capita than any nation on the planet for over a century now.

The ONLY nation that equals our per capita police presence is Israel.

This is mostly true, however, with that said, the federal government has always given lip service to the forth amendment.


. . . until now of course.

When is the last time anyone heard from Snowden, eh?

 

[MisterBeale]

I always ignore dumb posts that think they are proving something, when they arent actually proving anything at all.

. . .and you likewise, apparently ignore facts that prove you wrong.

 

[MisterBeale]

They also demand to be able to wear shoes. Are shoe wearers contributing to the police state too?

So. . you are unable to rally a cogent argument, so it is fallacy time?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Freedom is not the natural state of human affairs.
The reasons are simple.

1). Most humans are sheeple, better at following orders than leading
2). Humans have excessive self preservation characteristics built in
3). There will always be humans who are better at gathering, be it food, land, money or power and those few rise to become the leaders and controllers of the sheeple.

So ultimately humans find themselves oppressed or enslaved. Perfectly normal for humans.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I remember that there was a fee on top of the passport fees because I went to the Post Office for the applications and etc.
Then the photos...

It was $500 for my wife and I together total costs. The expedited fees....the fee to pay the fee....nuts crap IMHO. The whole time I was grumbling about having to get a license just so I could spend money.

The passport cards are indeed cheaper but they are only good for Mexico and Canada. (Maybe Europe?) Not Brazil, Honduras, or other South America destinations.

And always carry a photocopy of the stupid thing everywhere you go.

So with additional information.

$500 for two passports is each.

Which begins to get closer to the actual cost.

$165 Initial base passport
$60 Expidited Service
$22 1-2 Day Posting
$30 For additional Card Version

That can run $277 for all the bells and whistles. But the cost of the Passport Book alone is $165.

Passport photos for my wife, my daughter, and myself were $0. Took them on my phone and printed them on a laser printer on photo stock. Cost for passport photos at Walgreens is about $20.

WW

 

[dblack]

I would have been with you, say, 10 years ago. Not today. Too much has changed. We are overrun with illegals, many dangerous, and we have no more mental institutions for people who are sick and dangerous. So, we need something like this now, practically.

Do I trust the govt? No. But do I trust society? Also, no.

We must give up our rights because you're scared of brown people.

 

[SweetSue92]

We must give up our rights because you're scared of brown people.

Sorry, but yeah. Illegals and crazy people? Yes. I'm a woman, and a small one at that.

 

[dblack]

Sorry, but yeah. Illegals and crazy people? Yes. I'm a woman, and a small one at that.

Maybe you could just arrange to give up your rights for the illusion of security - and leave the rest of us out of your little bargain. k?

 

[SweetSue92]

Maybe you could just arrange to give up your rights for the illusion of security - and leave the rest of us out of your little bargain. k?

Well you should be really specific about what "rights" I'm giving up. The right to fly? I don't have one. The right to drive a vehicle? Don't have that either. Those aren't "rights"

 

[dblack]

Well you should be really specific about what "rights" I'm giving up. The right to fly? I don't have one. The right to drive a vehicle? Don't have that either. Those aren't "rights"

Of course those are rights. Are you one of these leftists telling us there's no such thing as "rights"?

 

[Dr.Destructo]

The issue is can it be forged and faked like state ID cards and drivers licenses?

If so, then this is Trumps first frivolous adventure into government waste. And he will be getting a letter from me on this.
This is NOT a good start for his first year. He's been doing good at cutting out the waste, but if he's going to start creating useless security measures like this, then he's going to need to to know about it from WE THE PEOPLE.

I will have to research more on what this card IS and what they do to make it more secure (?) than a drivers license.

The government has been tracking EVERYBODY for as long as they've had computer technology.
If you think otherwise, you're a moron.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The issue is can it be forged and faked like state ID cards and drivers licenses?

If so, then this is Trumps first frivolous adventure into government waste. And he will be getting a letter from me on this.
This is NOT a good start for his first year. He's been doing good at cutting out the waste, but if he's going to start creating useless security measures like this, then he's going to need to to know about it from WE THE PEOPLE.

I will have to research more on what this card IS and what they do to make it more secure (?) than a drivers license.

The government has been tracking EVERYBODY for as long as they've had computer technology.
If you think otherwise, you're a moron.

Correct.
See post #205

Illusion of freedom

 

[SweetSue92]

Correct.
See post #205

Illusion of freedom

I'm not getting any specifics on this.

You have no "right" to fly. You have no "right" to hold a driver's license. So how is this an "illusion of freedom"?

 

[dblack]

I'm not getting any specifics on this.

You have no "right" to fly. You have no "right" to hold a driver's license.

What makes you think those aren't rights??

 

[Foxfyre]

It sounds like you haven't read this whole thread. Because I've already addressed most of those points throughout the thread. And you're ignoring my points I posted directly to you in previous posts. You're just repeating the same thing.

Like I said before, I don't think you see the trajectory we're on...not just in the US but the world. You don't seem to see the increasingly Orwellian agendas that are in the works, including digital ID based on biometrics, digital finance system, social credit score system, the move toward technocracy, etc. As I said before, everything happens slowly and incrementally. That's why I said I see this as stepping stone, it doesn't stop there. In post #115 I posted a list of reasons why I see it that way.

But you are so focused on the pretext they've given you, that it seems to be the only thing that matters to you...making sure we have an "honest vote." While I absolutely agree with you on principle, personally I don't really trust elections to begin with, I lean towards the view that presidents are selected, not elected. But yes I know that sounds like crazy conspiracy theory. But even if that's not the case...I believe there has to be another way to solve the problem of election integrity, that doesn't involve having to comply with a national ID that infringes on freedom of movement within our own country. Anyway....we'll have to agree to disagree. I see the direction things are going in, and I don't want to go along with it. You do, because you trust the reasons given, you seem to trust the federal government, and you don't seem to see (or believe) the direction that I see the world going in. Either that or you don't have a problem with it.

We have had a national ID for 90 years now. It's called a social security number. Another form is the federally issued passport that has been around for 170 years now. And yet the USA remains the most free nation on the face of the Earth.

I appreciate the current administration's efforts to ensure that only citizens will be able to register to vote in federal elections and that there is a push to ensure that only legally registered citizens will be able to vote. That will go a long way toward restoring faith in our elections that is seriously lacking right now. Doing away with electronic voting machines or having a foolproof verifiable backup for them will also help.

And a real ID, issued by the individual states, and shown at the polling place, also helps toward that end.

One more thing: Identifying those non citizens who should not be here is critical to protect citizen rights to representation in their government. Non citizens are not entitled to elected representation and should not be counted as citizens when apportionment of representatives are calculated.

All the America first initiatives help ensure that we remain the most free nation on Earth as it rejects the efforts of the globalists for a one world government. President Trump has done more to reverse the efforts of those who think other countries should have the say on who and what we are as a people than any other President of my lifetime.

We should be praising his effort toward that end. Not pretending they are some kind of nefarious Orwellian scheme. President Trump is about is un-Orwellian as it gets while he is 100% pro America, pro American.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Easy to pull it out if I want to fly.

You can get arrested for that!

 

[Concerned American]

No matter where you live you have to deal with that "junk" that is the end product of the new global push, whether you realize it or not. The Patriot Act, Nafta 1 and 2, the endless wars, inflation, and the loss of responsibility, quality of life and personal freedoms is affecting us all even though it is like the death of a thousand cuts. Like the boiling frog, it never gets hot enough to make you want to jump out until it's too late. If you think it's bad now with some asswipe from California or New York making regs for your little village wait until a group from the UN starts calling the shots.

I agree with your point re: death of a thousand cuts and globalism and I wasn't suggesting that they don't exist in the big picture. However, in my small rural county, we are not dealing with the specific restrictions that were the subject of my post i.e. metal detectors and physical inspections to enter the courthouse. They haven't gotten here---yet. I have lived in areas where they exist and if you read the thread, I made that clear. I am also aware of some faceless group making laws that affect my quality of life. For crying out loud, I live in WA. We on the east side are constantly reminded that we are subject to the cockamamie, liberal edicts of the west side of the state. Short of armed rebellion, I don't see it getting much better. Are you suggesting that we just throw up our arms and say, "screw it, there is no hope" or attempt to work out a solution that, while not perfect, is better than total capitulation to a globalist Orwellian society.

 

[WEATHER53]

We're not talking about "real" IDs that are necessary for getting a driver's license, like a birth certificate, passport, etc. We're talking about a specific ID called the "REAL ID" that requires you to submit additional information to the government, and they're saying is going to be required for flying domestically, starting May 7.

So this is a specific ID called the "REAL ID"... And last time I got my driver's license, I didn't have to provide that, and obviously I couldn't have provided it since I don't have one, yet I was still able to get a driver's license.

Real ID is the enhanced drivers license in MD

 

[SweetSue92]

What makes you think those aren't rights??

Where are they in the Constitution?

Airlines are private companies. They can (and do) ban whomever they want.