Are You REAL ID Ready?

[MisterBeale]

What happens when I ask you for your proof? Let me guess, you will provide none?

Florida judge dismisses fraud lawsuit against DNC​

Florida judge dismisses fraud lawsuit against DNC

A year-long legal battle over the DNC's handling of the 2016 presidential primary came to an end, with a federal judge dismissing the class-action suit.

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DNC to Court: We Are a Private Corporation With No Obligation to Follow Our Rules

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The DNC and RNC are Private Corporations

In 2017, a Florida judge dismissed a class-action lawsuit against the DNC brought by supporters of Senator Bernie Sanders over the handling of the 2016 presidential primary. The court ruled that the DNC is a private corporation and that voters cannot protect their rights by turning to the...

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The national parties are corporations, and the court has ruled, they need not pay attention to anything the voters desire.

 

[SweetSue92]

I just noticed that a couple threads were already posted on this topic in the last few months. But since Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem just made an announcement yesterday, I figured I'd post a new thread.

I agree with what Thomas Massie, Catherine Austin Fitts and others have said about this. This is about control and it's just another way for our federal government to track legal citizens. Under the guise of immigration reform. But if people don't object, it's not going to stop there. Make no mistake about that.

I would have been with you, say, 10 years ago. Not today. Too much has changed. We are overrun with illegals, many dangerous, and we have no more mental institutions for people who are sick and dangerous. So, we need something like this now, practically.

Do I trust the govt? No. But do I trust society? Also, no.

 

[MisterBeale]

Too much has changed. We are overrun with illegals, many dangerous, and we have no more mental institutions for people who are sick and dangerous.

When Americans initially refused this insanity, think tanks and authoritarians got right on the problem of how to get folks on board.

Anyone that has studied political science or social engineering already know. . . none of the events that have happened since have been a mistake.

You, and many like you in Europe and America, are now just doing, thinking, and saying what the folks in control knew you would.

 

[debbiedowner]

REAL ID FAQs | Homeland Security

Frequently asked questions and answers regarding the implementation the REAL ID Act. Passed by Congress in 2005.

www.dhs.gov

 

[SweetSue92]

When Americans initially refused this insanity, think tanks and authoritarians got right on the problem of how to get folks on board.

Anyone that has studied political science or social engineering already know. . . none of the events that have happened since have been a mistake.

You, and many like you in Europe and America, are now just doing, thinking, and saying what the folks in control knew you would.

Au Contraire, my agreement with real ID did not come unthoughtfully. I listed my reasons above.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That's just the cost of renewing it....which is still kinda hefty IMHO (which I need to do)

The initial passport is still above $500.

No. It’s $165 for the passport book, initial.

$130 for a renewal.

Passport Fees

Learn how much it will cost to apply for a U.S. passport, and what forms of payment to use when you apply or renew.

travel.state.gov

Both are cost prohibitive and seems more like a voluntary tax than anything.

I'm not saying we don't need the passports....or real ID. Just that the prices are really high and that in itself seems suspicious. Too much room for fraud and abuse.

So I guess I’m missing something.

Should people get free passports and that all people pay for them through general taxes, or people that use passports should pay for them through a service fee?

WW

 

[MisterBeale]

I listed my reasons above.

. . . and the reasons you listed? Were created by the government.

duh.

 

[Godboy]

I think if someone would say that today is Sunday you would demand proof, and that wouldn't be enough. What proof is better than your own observation? A good example right off the bat is the ascending of Kamala to the process, no nomination or consensus, just a generated response.

The observations of conspiracy theory moonbats are extremely unconvincing.

 

[SweetSue92]

. . . and the reasons you listed? Were created by the government.

duh.

Sure, I never said differently.

 

[rightwinger]

Passports are kinda expensive IMHO. Over $500 if I remember correctly.

SOMETHING needs to happen to get the cost of these down.

I provided the birth certificate, picture and etc....then the $500+ fees.

Where I and you were able to afford that....I know a lot of people that starts to get too expensive for them to obtain one. They don't fly either very often. Maybe once in their lifetime.
But if they had to get one before they took an emergency flight to anywhere it would be a deal breaker.

I remember looking at getting an upgraded security ID for working at a port. They too required a background check. It too was over $300 or maybe it was $500. (Didn't take the job) But if ship building is going to be where a lot of work in the future is at....that's going to be a problem.

The cost must come down for these things.

When I worked, I used to fly once a month
I have not flown since before COVID

I have a passport that cost around $130. I think I paid $20 for a photo.

Real ID requires a lot of hoops and I need an appointment at DMV. I would just as soon use my passport if I have to fly. It is good for ten years

 

[Godboy]

If you don't bleev living in a police state is going to hurt you? Meh, that is on you.


But the very prerequisite of a police state, is a national identification regime.

Why are you conflating "police state" with ID security? Thats super fuckin weird.

 

[JohnDB]

No. It’s $165 for the passport book, initial.

$130 for a renewal.

Passport Fees

Learn how much it will cost to apply for a U.S. passport, and what forms of payment to use when you apply or renew.

travel.state.gov

So I guess I’m missing something.

Should people get free passports and that all people pay for them through general taxes, or people that use passports should pay for them through a service fee?

WW

Free?
No...
But a records search and printing shouldn't cost over $150 for something that can be done in less than 10 minutes.
$30? Hey, I can agree with that. CDB....normal stuff.
But $165+.....kinda pricey.

 

[MisterBeale]

Sure, I never said differently.

. . . and that is the very definition of problem-reaction-solution.

Just so long as you are aware that you have been manipulated into agreeing with something you would not otherwise agree to.

 

[MisterBeale]

Why are you conflating "police state" with ID security? Thats super fuckin weird.

. . . and why are you so dumb, that you don't get, that every police state that has ever existed, demanded this same thing?

 

[MisterBeale]

The observations of conspiracy theory moonbats are extremely unconvincing.

I already provided the proof that the courts support the selection rather than election of our leaders. . . you ignored it.

 

[SweetSue92]

. . . and that is the very definition of problem-reaction-solution.

Just so long as you are aware that you have been manipulated into agreeing with something you would not otherwise agree to.

I have not been "manipulated". I am observing what I see. If we have mental institutions again, sure, get rid of real ID. Instead, in every public space, we have people losing their minds.

 

[Godboy]

. . . and why are you so dumb, that you don't get, that every police state that has ever existed, demanded this same thing?

They also demand to be able to wear shoes. Are shoe wearers contributing to the police state too?

 

[Godboy]

I already provided the proof that the courts support the selection rather than election of our leaders. . . you ignored it.

I always ignore dumb posts that think they are proving something, when they arent actually proving anything at all.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Free?
No...
But a records search and printing shouldn't cost over $150 for something that can be done in less than 10 minutes.
$30? Hey, I can agree with that. CDB....normal stuff.
But $165+.....kinda pricey.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with $165 sounding a little high.

Passports though are the gold standard for ID, so it's more than just a records search and printing. Generation of the passport is much more than just hitting "print" on an HP Lazerjet printer.

In my state a Drivers License is $42.

WW

 

[JohnDB]

I remember that there was a fee on top of the passport fees because I went to the Post Office for the applications and etc.
Then the photos...

It was $500 for my wife and I together total costs. The expedited fees....the fee to pay the fee....nuts crap IMHO. The whole time I was grumbling about having to get a license just so I could spend money.

The passport cards are indeed cheaper but they are only good for Mexico and Canada. (Maybe Europe?) Not Brazil, Honduras, or other South America destinations.

And always carry a photocopy of the stupid thing everywhere you go.