Are you entitled?

Are Americans entitled to medical care?


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I picked other, because i don't think anyone is entitled to free healthcare. However I think all americans are entitled to affordable health coverage, if they choose.
If you, or someone dear to you, were sick and could not afford to pay for medical attention I'm sure you would think differently. If not there is something seriously wrong with you.

Either the United States is an advanced civilized Nation or it isn't. Which would you prefer?
 
The federal government is not empowered via the constitution to hand out any entitlement... it is an abuse of power that was assumed by those craving power within our government... this power was grabbed without amendment to the constitution
That empowerment is inherent in the General Welfare clause of the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8.)

Nope. Its to promote the GW not PROVIDE the GW.
 
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At the Federal level? No.

At the State? It's up to that State.

Poll response = Other


Personally I feel very blessed, part of the agreement between me and the United States Navy was 20 years of service and I can access military medical for the rest of my life. Which isn't really an "entitlement" it's then an earned benefit for service.



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The federal government is not empowered via the constitution to hand out any entitlement... it is an abuse of power that was assumed by those craving power within our government... this power was grabbed without amendment to the constitution
That empowerment is inherent in the General Welfare clause of the Constitution (Article 1, Section 8.)

I showed already where it is not.. it is simple goddamn English....

Many people like to stop after the word welfare and not use the entire phrase.. and also neglect to understand why a semi-colon is used to tie to the list of EXACT powers that are granted to congress in article 1 section 8.. then they also forget that if it is not SPECIFICALLY granted (Art 1 Sec 8 was not made to be a catch all) the power is then held by the state and/or the individuals thanks to the 10th amendment...


Educate yourself
 
Are you entitled to medical care? If you get sick, need medical attention, are you entitled to it, regardless that you can't afford it?

It seems this is a fundamental split in our nation, those that feel medical care is a right, and those that feel its not.

No, but thanks to the Hippocratic Oath, i.e. the reason you can trust your doctor to act in your best interest, doctors are obligated to provide medical care.
 
This question depends on each persons value of life. I, for one, think the answer is yes. We, as humans, have an obligation to do whatever we can to keep our fellow man alive. I ALSO feel that way about animals, within reason. For example, Im fine with deer hunting for food. But, having a general attitude of helping and protecting animal life is important to me.

I feel we are all living creatures of this Earth, and we should try to help each other through this existence in any way we can.

Just my two cents. Should we show up to the ER for a headache and a $40 aspirin we can't afford? No. The aspirin shouldn't be $40...AND the person shouldn't abuse the system like that.
 
But if basic, bare bones, no frills, wait forever in lines...WITH limitation in care and a cap on how much will be spent on you is offered... the people who are are asking for that should stop complaining they want MORE of what they are already NOT paying for and getting for free.
I'm on Medicare. My existing primary care physician probably isn't as good as it gets although she is quite competent. But the average waiting time in her clean but cramped outer office is two hours and sometimes more. If I were rich I would wait no more than ten or fifteen minutes in a cozy room with soft couches and art-covered walls. So the notion that universal health care would exclude choice is mistaken. Anyone who can afford better has options.

Further, there is no question that a significant percentage of the present cost of medical care is attributable to wasteful bureaucracy. One example of this is a situation I've lamented about several times in this forum, which is as follows:

I had an infected finger on a Friday evening too late to visit my GP. So I went to an emergency room where I waited three hours to be interviewed by a clerk who filled out a stack of papers, led me to a bed where I was covered with a sheet and waited for another hour to be "seen" by a tired intern who performed a totally unnecessary minor surgical procedure. The bottom line to this tale is my insurance company at the time was billed over five hundred dollars.

I am prone to finger infections. It happened twice when I was in the military. Both times I walked over to Sick Bay where a Navy Medical Corpsman took a look and gave me a little box of penicillin tablets and a penicillin shot. The whole thing took about fifteen minutes. Next day the infection was gone.

The question I have is why are there not aid stations available and staffed with former military medics, retired EMTs, etc., and located in low income neighborhoods? If the medical attention I received in the Marine Corps was good enough for the military I will assume it is good enough for those who can't afford to be pampered.

I would welcome the availability of such aid stations and would make use of them for any minor medical problem, which probably represents more than 90% of all emergency room visits.

for example... you are NOT going to that million dollar operation that MAY only extend your life for 6 months.
That is common sense reasoning.
 
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No.. Entitlement is another word for stealing from those who work and giving to those who do not.
 
This question depends on each persons value of life. I, for one, think the answer is yes. We, as humans, have an obligation to do whatever we can to keep our fellow man alive. I ALSO feel that way about animals, within reason. For example, Im fine with deer hunting for food. But, having a general attitude of helping and protecting animal life is important to me.

I feel we are all living creatures of this Earth, and we should try to help each other through this existence in any way we can.

Just my two cents. Should we show up to the ER for a headache and a $40 aspirin we can't afford? No. The aspirin shouldn't be $40...AND the person shouldn't abuse the system like that.


You use your 'personal values in life' to determine that someone must pay your way?

What if my 'personal values' tell me you must send me every other paycheck that you earn?


Fork it over, bitch.
 
Are you entitled to medical care? If you get sick, need medical attention, are you entitled to it, regardless that you can't afford it?

It seems this is a fundamental split in our nation, those that feel medical care is a right, and those that feel its not.

If you show up at a hospital, you are entitled not to be turned away just because you are black or gay or listen to country music.

You are not entitled for me to pay your bill.

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Entitlement programs began in this country almost as soon as the ink dried on the Constitution. We have always had entitlement programs.
The problem today, seems to be that it is getting hard to pay for both our wars and some of our people programs. We may have to stop the practice of killing people in foreign lands and start medically caring for our own people. For some that's seems to be a hard decision.
 
Are you entitled to medical care? If you get sick, need medical attention, are you entitled to it, regardless that you can't afford it?

It seems this is a fundamental split in our nation, those that feel medical care is a right, and those that feel its not.

As long as our country can afford it, medical care should be available to everyone, not just the wealthy and elite. Currently we have doctors traveling to other countries to provide free medical care for poor people that they won't provide that same care to those here in this country. Kind of sad.

Of course, right now I don't think our country can afford a safety pin, we are so deep in debt.

I'd rather provide education and health care to all than to spend more on defense than the next dozen countries combined...most of whom are our allies.
 
You are not entitled for me to pay your bill.

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Except you will if I can't. Doctor's can not turn away someone that needs their help thanks to the Hippocratic Oath. If you show up and can't pay for the help you need, a doctor will still take care of you. Later, when I show up can pay my costs will be inflated to cover the Doctor's costs, which will include the lost revenue from you.

This always gets lost in this debate. YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE HEALTH CARE OF THE POOR. That's how things work when the market determines price and the Hippocratic Oath prevents doctors from turning away patients. I'd much rather bring the fact I'm paying for the care of the poor to the front and provide preventative care so they don't show up in the ER quite so often.
 
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Well, a health care system based on an income tax all the way to the top, on all income, would adaquetely fund the system. And preventive care is far cheaper than care after the fact. Not only that, as is, you lose your employment, you lose your health care. Should you get sick while unemployed, the next thing you lose is your home. Then you get to file for bankruptcy.

Now that is a real smart system. When a family runs onto hard times just keep kicking them until they are down to the point that they cannot get back up.

Commenting on the part I bolded:

Do you immediately lose your car insurance if you lose you employment? Do you immediately lose your home insurance? Life insurance?

Why should health insurance be any different?

We need to get rid of employer-sponsored health insurance and make it more like auto/home/life insurance. You get to pick any company in the country, and you get to pick what options you do or do not want.


The other industrial nations pay about half what we do per capita for their health care systems. They cover all their citizens, and have a longer life span, as well as far lower infant mortality. Results count.

Apples and oranges comparison. Many countries hide their infant mortality rates:

Another challenge to comparability is the practice of counting frail or premature infants who die before the normal due date as miscarriages (spontaneous abortions) or those who die during or immediately after childbirth as stillborn. Therefore, the quality of a country's documentation of perinatal mortality can matter greatly to the accuracy of its infant mortality statistics. This point is reinforced by the demographer Ansley Coale, who finds dubiously high ratios of reported stillbirths to infant deaths in Hong Kong and Japan in the first 24 hours after birth, a pattern that is consistent with the high recorded sex ratios at birth in those countries. It suggests not only that many female infants who die in the first 24 hours are misreported as stillbirths rather than infant deaths, but also that those countries do not follow WHO recommendations for the reporting of live births and infant deaths.

As the most prosperous society, we are also much more obese and therefore heart disease is knocking us down a few pegs on the longevity scale.

In addition, England still uses x-rays as the primary means for detecting breast cancer, and thus has lower survival rate, and longer waiting times, for breast cancer.

Also, when do-gooders whine about "47 million uninsured Americans", which is a fiction, they do not mention that the people who are uninsured today are NOT the same people who are uninsured six months from now. For those who are uninsured, our prosperity is such that that is a temporary situation for most people. That should not be solved with a whole new monstrous and expensive entitlement program.

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You are not entitled for me to pay your bill.

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Except you will if I can't. Doctor's can not turn away someone that needs their help thanks to the Hippocratic Oath. If you show up and can't pay for the help you need, a doctor will still take care of you. Later, when I show up can pay my costs will be inflated to cover the Doctor's costs, which will include the lost revenue from you.

This always gets lost in this debate. YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE HEALTH CARE OF THE POOR. That's how things work when the market determines price and the Hippocratic Oath prevents doctors from turning away patients. I'd much rather bring the fact I'm paying for the care of the poor to the front and provide preventative care so they don't show up in the ER quite so often.

The poverty-stricken patient in the Emergency Room cost write-off scenario accounts for only about $50 billion out of the total $2.5 trillion annually spent on health care.

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You are not entitled for me to pay your bill.

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Except you will if I can't. Doctor's can not turn away someone that needs their help thanks to the Hippocratic Oath. If you show up and can't pay for the help you need, a doctor will still take care of you. Later, when I show up can pay my costs will be inflated to cover the Doctor's costs, which will include the lost revenue from you.

This always gets lost in this debate. YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE HEALTH CARE OF THE POOR. That's how things work when the market determines price and the Hippocratic Oath prevents doctors from turning away patients. I'd much rather bring the fact I'm paying for the care of the poor to the front and provide preventative care so they don't show up in the ER quite so often.

Bogus argument.

How often, for example, have you heard the emergency-room argument? The uninsured, it's said, use emergency rooms for primary care. That's expensive and ineffective. Once they're insured, they'll have regular doctors. Care will improve; costs will decline. Everyone wins. Great argument. Unfortunately, it's untrue.

A study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that the insured accounted for 83 percent of emergency-room visits, reflecting their share of the population. After Massachusetts adopted universal insurance, emergency-room use remained higher than the national average, an Urban Institute study found. More than two-fifths of visits represented non-emergencies. Of those, a majority of adult respondents to a survey said it was "more convenient" to go to the emergency room or they couldn't "get [a doctor's] appointment as soon as needed." If universal coverage makes appointments harder to get, emergency-room use may increase.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/14/AR2010031401389.html

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There should be no lacking of medical care............

If all the bleeding heart liberals and brainless socialists put their money where their mouths are it would be fully funded, not a poor soul going without..........

But thats right, theyre all f---ing hypocrites...........
 
You are not entitled for me to pay your bill.

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Except you will if I can't. Doctor's can not turn away someone that needs their help thanks to the Hippocratic Oath. If you show up and can't pay for the help you need, a doctor will still take care of you. Later, when I show up can pay my costs will be inflated to cover the Doctor's costs, which will include the lost revenue from you.

This always gets lost in this debate. YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE HEALTH CARE OF THE POOR. That's how things work when the market determines price and the Hippocratic Oath prevents doctors from turning away patients. I'd much rather bring the fact I'm paying for the care of the poor to the front and provide preventative care so they don't show up in the ER quite so often.

Nobody forces him to bill for his services.
 

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