Are you ashamed of your heritage?

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South should have accepted Lincoln’s offer to keep slavery if they stayed in the union

Instead, they attacked Ft Sumter

Poke a bear with a stick, don’t complain when you get mauled

Which Lincoln should the South believed? The one that said the Union would be either completely slave or free. Who then appointed radical abolitionist Seward as his secretary of state, who clearly said we are in an irrespressible conflict where only one can win? Or the one who wanted to save the union by offering slavery perpetual to the South?

Lincoln was a liar. He did what he did to further his own gain. And the South didn't attack Fort Sumter. The North attacked the South with it's navy to reinforce Sumter. The South responded.

Lincoln intended for war from the start. His idea of saving the Union was war. But he had to make the South the evil people. The ones who started it.

I'm not complaining. Just settin the record straight.

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[rightwinger]

Who says? You?

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What made the Confederacy EVIL?

40 percent of the population was enslaved
They engaged in forced breeding
Their economy was built on free labor enforced by the whip

 

[Quantrill]

What made the Confederacy EVIL?

40 percent of the population was enslaved
They engaged in forced breeding
Their economy was built on free labor enforced by the whip

So what? Are you the one who says the Confederacy was evil?

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[rightwinger]

Which Lincoln should the South believed. The one that said the Union would be either completely slave or free. Who then appointed radical abolitionist Seward as his secretary of state, who clearly said we are in an irrespressible conflict where only one can win? Or the one who wanted to save the union by offering slavery perpetual to the South?

Lincoln was a liar. He did what he did to further his own gain.

He intended for war from the start. His idea of saving the Union was war. But he had to make the South the evil people. The ones who started it.

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Lincoln opposed slavery as was evident in the Lincoln/Douglas debates

But even before he took office, the South seceded
Lincoln’s priority was that saving the Union was more important than ending slavery.

 

[Quantrill]

Lincoln opposed slavery as was evident in the Lincoln/Douglas debates

But even before he took office, the South seceded
Lincoln’s priority was that saving the Union was more important than ending slavery.

Before Lincoln took office he said the nation would be either free or slave. His appointment of abolitionist Seward already showed where he was going.

Lincoln was a liar. The South had no reason to believe him and every reason not to believe him.

Bullshit. Lincoln's priority was to destroy the South by war and then change the Constitution so that the North could have its way.

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[Dekster]

When my ancestors fought the Yankees during the War Between the States, they proved themselves to be some of the toughest people on Earth. Twenty-five percent of all military-age Southerners died or were crippled in the war. For Americans, that’s an astounding figure. If the Yankees had suffered those kinds of casualties, they would have been burning their cities. Of course, that’s opinion—there’s no way to really know—but I also have no reason to be ashamed of my ancestors. They weren’t traitors, and for the most part, they were good people doing the best they could in the world as they understood it. One reason they may have fought so desperately was because of the outcome they feared if they lost.

At the same time in Kansas, Jayhawkers were killing Southerners just for living in Missouri. There had also been numerous slave revolts in which enslaved people killed men, women, and children. In Haiti in 1804, the Black government exterminated most of the remaining French after the independence war. They spared some of the women who agreed to marry Black men. What can you call a forced marriage other than slavery? So, I have no reason to be ashamed. It seems that the left tries to make whites ashamed of being who they are, especially if they’re Southerners. I’m not ashamed, and I’m not fragile. If they want to talk about race, I’m willing to do it as honestly as I can.

Liberals also emphasize the reaction of whites after the war, but all the occupation did was reaffirm their beliefs. What would have happened if they didn’t resist? Union soldiers, even though it was not government policy, robbed, raped, and murdered Southerners, and their commanders did virtually nothing about it. On top of that, the army had a strict censorship program that prevented this information from being disseminated. If it had been published, it might have come to light that these were not large-scale abuses but rather infrequent actions by a minority of Black Union soldiers. Without reliable information, Southerners saw it as a large-scale attempt to humiliate and crush them. In my opinion, that is what led to resistance movements such as the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow later on. I still remember the old people talking about the need to keep the Blacks down or they’d murder us all.

I have people in the tree that fought on both sides of the civil war; I've got injuns and Mayflower people; I've got decorated soldiers and draft dodgers; got ancestors from Scotland, Ireland, England, and German and none of them countries have gotten along that well through the ages. If I want to be proud of my heritage, I can cherry pick through all that; same if I want to be ashamed. Mostly it matters very little to me. Raising the kids, paying the bills, occasional acts of passive aggression against the zoning Nazis, and taunting deer with my fenced tomatoes keep me content with the here and now.

 

[Unkotare]

Which Lincoln should the South believed? The one that said the Union would be either completely slave or free. Who then appointed radical abolitionist Seward as his secretary of state, who clearly said we are in an irrespressible conflict where only one can win? Or the one who wanted to save the union by offering slavery perpetual to the South?

Lincoln was a liar. He did what he did to further his own gain. And the South didn't attack Fort Sumter. The North attacked the South with it's navy to reinforce Sumter. The South responded.

Lincoln intended for war from the start. His idea of saving the Union was war. But he had to make the South the evil people. The ones who started it.

I'm not complaining. Just settin the record straight.

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You're being a little ***** for long-dead traitors.

 

[Unkotare]

So what? Are you the one who says the Confederacy was evil?
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Anyone with a clear view of history says so.

 

[gipper]

Exactly right. The North wanted to posture themselves as the 'good guys'. Mom, apple pie, bullshit.

Indeed it does. Give the people what they want to believe. And they have been teaching it ever since the Northern victory.

And everyone keeps believing that smoke they are blowin up their ass.

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Yes!

I’ve read extensively about the War of Northern Aggression, almost my entire life. My father was a buff. We visited all major battlefields in the early 70s.

I was like most Americans as a young person, only knowing the approved narrative. I remember reading about the horrors of Andersonville, but then years later read about the equally horrific northern prison camps. Few Americans know anything about them for a reason. This is a good example of how we’ve all been lied to.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, the damn yankees should have thought about that before they started the War that cost at least 800,000 lives.

Slavery was legal. Why shouldn't it have been the main cause? The South did nothing illegal. The damn yankees coming against the South did.

My heritage is Southern. Of which I am not ashamed. I am and won't be reconstructed. I fly the Southern Flag, the Stars and Bars, the Confederate battle flag, etc. etc.

We still exist.

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Slavery was legal, the expansion of slavery wasn't. The Slave states had recently lost their stranglehold on the Federal Government and were trapped in a social system that was designed on eternal expansion and the acquisition of more human chattel and the non-slave states cut off both. The slave economy was already failing with plantations having exhausted their land trying to pull enough crops off it to pay for the upkeep of their slaves.

 

[gipper]

Lincoln opposed slavery as was evident in the Lincoln/Douglas debates

But even before he took office, the South seceded
Lincoln’s priority was that saving the Union was more important than ending slavery.

Lol. His wife’s family was the largest slave owners in Kentucky. Lincoln sold some of those slaves.

As you know, he offered the South a constitutional amendment granting slavery forever, if they stayed in the union and paid the tariff. So…dummy…if the war was only about slavery as you ignorantly believe, the South would have accepted his offer.

Stop lying!!!

 

[rightwinger]

Lol. His wife’s family was the largest slave owners in Kentucky. Lincoln sold some of those slaves.

As you know, he offered the South a constitutional amendment granting slavery forever, if they stayed in the union and paid the tariff. So…dummy…if the war was only about slavery as you ignorantly believe, the South would have accepted his offer.

Stop lying!!!

Very true

Showed how committed Lincoln was to preserving the union

You just have to read some of his quotes about slavery to see how much he objected to it….but he willing to put it aside to save the country

He offered the South everything they asked for and they told him to fuk offf

Cost them dearly

 

[Quantrill]

Yes!

I’ve read extensively about the War of Northern Aggression, almost my entire life. My father was a buff. We visited all major battlefields in the early 70s.

I was like most Americans as a young person, only knowing the approved narrative. I remember reading about the horrors of Andersonville, but then years later read about the equally horrific northern prison camps. Few Americans know anything about them for a reason. This is a good example of how we’ve all been lied to.

The War Between The States is the most lied about war in history. Because the victors purposely made it so. They follow their leader Lincoln.

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[yidnar]

Then why did they lose?

 

[Quantrill]

Slavery was legal, the expansion of slavery wasn't. The Slave states had recently lost their stranglehold on the Federal Government and were trapped in a social system that was designed on eternal expansion and the acquisition of more human chattel and the non-slave states cut off both. The slave economy was already failing with plantations having exhausted their land trying to pull enough crops off it to pay for the upkeep of their slaves.

The Supreme Court decided otherwise. See Dred Scott Decision.

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[gipper]

The War Between The States is the most lied about war in history. Because the victors purposely made it so. They follow their leader Lincoln.

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The Lincoln myth is instilled in all Americans. Only the dumb ones continue to believe it in adulthood. Once you do a modicum of research, it becomes apparent he was a tyrant and a traitor who should have been hung.

His veneration by the establishment, says a lot about how corrupt it is.

 

[rightwinger]

The War Between The States is the most lied about war in history. Because the victors purposely made it so. They follow their leader Lincoln.

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The Civil War was the only war where the losers got to dictate the revised history and honor the leaders of the losing side

Lost Cause"
refers to a romanticized, revisionist interpretation of the American Civil War, claiming the Confederacy fought for states' rights, not slavery, and idealizing the antebellum South, downplaying slavery's horrors, and portraying Southerners as noble victims; it also refers to any hopeless endeavor or person unlikely to succeed. This myth, promoted by former Confederates, distorts history and remains influential in Southern culture and monuments, shifting focus from slavery to states' rights and Southern honor.

 

[rightwinger]

Lost Cause Revisionist History

The War was not about Slavery
Slavery was not that bad (better than living in the jungle)
Blacks owned slaves too
White people were slaves
Blacks fought for the Confederacy
Lincoln and Grant were evil
Lee, Jeff Davis and Stonewall Jackson were noble heroes

 

[CrusaderFrank]

When my ancestors fought the Yankees during the War Between the States, they proved themselves to be some of the toughest people on Earth. Twenty-five percent of all military-age Southerners died or were crippled in the war. For Americans, that’s an astounding figure. If the Yankees had suffered those kinds of casualties, they would have been burning their cities. Of course, that’s opinion—there’s no way to really know—but I also have no reason to be ashamed of my ancestors. They weren’t traitors, and for the most part, they were good people doing the best they could in the world as they understood it. One reason they may have fought so desperately was because of the outcome they feared if they lost.

At the same time in Kansas, Jayhawkers were killing Southerners just for living in Missouri. There had also been numerous slave revolts in which enslaved people killed men, women, and children. In Haiti in 1804, the Black government exterminated most of the remaining French after the independence war. They spared some of the women who agreed to marry Black men. What can you call a forced marriage other than slavery? So, I have no reason to be ashamed. It seems that the left tries to make whites ashamed of being who they are, especially if they’re Southerners. I’m not ashamed, and I’m not fragile. If they want to talk about race, I’m willing to do it as honestly as I can.

Liberals also emphasize the reaction of whites after the war, but all the occupation did was reaffirm their beliefs. What would have happened if they didn’t resist? Union soldiers, even though it was not government policy, robbed, raped, and murdered Southerners, and their commanders did virtually nothing about it. On top of that, the army had a strict censorship program that prevented this information from being disseminated. If it had been published, it might have come to light that these were not large-scale abuses but rather infrequent actions by a minority of Black Union soldiers. Without reliable information, Southerners saw it as a large-scale attempt to humiliate and crush them. In my opinion, that is what led to resistance movements such as the Ku Klux Klan and Jim Crow later on. I still remember the old people talking about the need to keep the Blacks down or they’d murder us all.

I'm proud of my heritage.

My Maternal grandfather left his little village in Calabria at 14 and traveled, by himself, to Rio de Janeiro. He met with other Italians and worked in a tailor shop; Italians helped each other. As he learned his craft, he eventually opened his own shop and became one of the most know and sought after bespoke tailors in Rio.

My paternal grandfather was a character, also Italian. He was a healer, a shaman who served as a doctor. He developed creams to heal skin and medicines to assist the human immune system in battling disease, even cancer. He was also a polarizing figure in that he was a genuine ladies man, dated movie stars and was friends with Caruso. He was married at the time so relatives are divided on him.

I was named after both of them and take after neither.

I now identify as a San Francisco black man and have already sent in my invoice for my $5MM in reparations

 

[Quantrill]

The Lincoln myth is instilled in all Americans. Only the dumb ones continue to believe it in adulthood. Once you do a modicum of research, it becomes apparent he was a tyrant and a traitor who should have been hung.

His veneration by the establishment, says a lot about how corrupt it is.

Indeed, he is Americas idol. Lincoln would throw blacks under the bus whenever necessary. Yet they still view him as the great Moses come down from the mountain with the emancipation in his hands.

When they should be tearing down the Lincoln Memorial as they do our Confederate monuments and flags.

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