Zone1 Are we obligated to help the homeless? A Catholic priest has this answer

[hobelim]

You are a hypocrite. You are the one who is "dead" because you refuse to listen to anyone but yourself. . brain dead

Nonsense. When a person professes to believe in a maudlin story about an imaginary trinity that impregnated a 14 year old virgin to father himself so that sinners who worship him can remain assholes and sin with impunity for life as long as they celebrate human sacrifice, defy the Law prohibiting idolatry, and desecrate the words of Jesus religiously every now and then on Sunday they are either an actor and lying fraud, brainwashed, or not too bright.

If scripture is true you died in the very day you got down on your knees to blubber about how much you love this counterfeit substitute fake Jesus conjured from the depths of a Roman hell and unleashed on the world in 325CE

What do you don't understand is that I'm alerting you to your obvious error because I have listened very carefully

Thats the truth, the very truth.

I can see through you. Don't you think that God can see through you? You believe in lies. Now thats brain dead.

 

[Frankenstein]

Some wish to work but certain apparatuses prevent them from.

I say that those who are members of such apparatuses will face their judgement one day. In general, I wouldn't want to trade souls with any of them.

which apparatus

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Too bad you think all the homeless are mentally ill

That seems like something a mentally ill person would believe...

You don't think the vast majority are? Ever talked to a homeless person?

 

[hobelim]

You don't think the vast majority are? Ever talked to a homeless person?

Maybe they are just suffering from the effects of exposure, malnutrition, untreated thyroid conditions, or any number of reasons that make them seem mentally ill. Maybe they are just dying right in front of your blind eyes?

You ever talk to a dying person? I wonder what your conversations would be like if you were in their place?

 

[forkintheroad7]

You don't think the vast majority are? Ever talked to a homeless person?

You don't read my posts

I have had discussions w/ many homeless people and nearly ZERO come across as mentally ill. I had to wrack my brain to think of ONE person I met years ago who really did seem to be in outer space.. When he spoke it was gibberish much of the time that made no sense at all. The rest of them (I'd say I've had conversations with maybe 20 over the years) are as coherent as can be. They just do not have what others have. Is that a crime?

If you look into their lives, you see that they had abusive parents (neglect is abuse) and/or abusive romantic partners... This kind of thing causes a person to want to move away from the abuse and so they are rolling stones who gather no moss, as the saying goes... and once your life hits rock bottom, it tends to stay there, especially when all of society thinks you're worthless..

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Maybe they are just suffering from the effects of exposure, malnutrition, untreated thyroid conditions, or any number of reasons that make them seem mentally ill. Maybe they are just dying right in front of your blind eyes?

You ever talk to a dying person? I wonder what your conversations would be like if you were in their place?

Wow! You have so many issues with reality! Are currently under the influence of intoxicating substances, because that is one of the other major reasons for homelessness?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't read my posts

I have had discussions w/ many homeless people and nearly ZERO come across as mentally ill. I had to wrack my brain to think of ONE person I met years ago who really did seem to be in outer space.. When he spoke it was gibberish much of the time that made no sense at all. The rest of them (I'd say I've had conversations with maybe 20 over the years) are as coherent as can be. They just do not have what others have. Is that a crime?

If you look into their lives, you see that they had abusive parents (neglect is abuse) and/or abusive romantic partners... This kind of thing causes a person to want to move away from the abuse and so they are rolling stones who gather no moss, as the saying goes... and once your life hits rock bottom, it tends to stay there, especially when all of society thinks you're worthless..

You have proven many times that you have an altered view of the world. No one would respect your opinion on the matter.

 

[shockedcanadian]

which apparatus

The Creepy Ones.

 

[forkintheroad7]

 

[hobelim]

Wow! You have so many issues with reality! Are currently under the influence of intoxicating substances, because that is one of the other major reasons for homelessness?

Well, in a strange world where the so called pillars of society "believe" that the way to eternal life is doing the exact thing that God promises results in death, IDOLATRY, is it really any wonder why anyone with a modicum of ethics might get high or say **** it to trying to be a part of that maudlin perverse and obscene suicidal delusion?

Why do you think Jesus ended up homeless? Was he a drunk or just didn't give a shit about playing the game? Was he wrong? You might not realize this but some people just don't have what it takes to be a phony for life.

Does that make them bad? Worthy of condemnation, denied compassion or even a sandwich by hypocrites?

I guarantee you that if you say **** you to anyone who is homeless and is under the influence because they are under the influence Jesus is going to say **** you to you when you die and find that you have nowhere to go because you spent your entire sanctimonious judgmental pretentious and vapid life inebriated on false religion.

 

[forkintheroad7]

We are obligated to do what we can for the less fortunate.

If you cannot safely house any of them, God knows that and doesn't expect you to endanger your family by inviting strangers into your home... anymore than you would invite a non-homeless stranger.

I told a woman begging once that I would buy her something at the store, that I felt uncomfortable handing her money because I didn't know what she'd spend it on. I don't want to contribute to someone's bad health by helping him/her buy alcohol or drugs or cigarettes. She was fine with that and I bought her some food, for which she was grateful. That happened with another woman in a different place also.

One time I did give a small amt of $$ to a homeless man because I'd seen him around and never saw him smoking or seemingly drunk. I also gave him some food. He seemed less grateful than the women mentioned... which made me wonder about him... but anyhow............

 

[forkintheroad7]

I do understand people's attitude toward SOME homeless people, like the story I saw at the forums about a guy who offered a homeless man a day job and he didn't want to take it... apparently said something about how it would cramp his lifestyle!

If that is true, I can understand the frustration and irritation. But the ones I've encountered (most) always seemed grateful for what they got.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I gave some $$ to this one guy years ago who pushed shopping carts full of his stuff around. I saw him a 2nd time and this time, I thought to myself "I want to know why he's homeless, so I'll ask him to write down a page on his life." He wrote just a few sentences and refused to write any more when I pressed him for details. So I can understand the frustrations people have with those who don't even seem to want to do an easy thing like that in exchange for $$. And what he wrote made me think he was a liberal, which I guess a lot of them are.. But what have liberals done for the homeless? Nothing, really. He just wrote about how cops were persecuting him or something (can't recall exact words). I told him if he wrote out one page-worth on his background (said I didn't need his name), I would give him.. forget but something like $20. He said No, so I just walked away, with the $20.

So it is true that some of them don't want to do anything in exchange for what they get.

However, they are NOT all alike as some here have said or implied.

(Also, the cops were not harassing him that I could see. He was always walking around town with 2 or 3 shopping carts full of stuff, walking down busy streets where cops could see him. Not once did I see them bother him)

 

[Hafar1014]

I gave some $$ to this one guy years ago who pushed shopping carts full of his stuff around. I saw him a 2nd time and this time, I thought to myself "I want to know why he's homeless, so I'll ask him to write down a page on his life." He wrote just a few sentences and refused to write any more when I pressed him for details. So I can understand the frustrations people have with those who don't even seem to want to do an easy thing like that in exchange for $$. And what he wrote made me think he was a liberal, which I guess a lot of them are.. But what have liberals done for the homeless? Nothing, really. He just wrote about how cops were persecuting him or something (can't recall exact words). I told him if he wrote out one page-worth on his background (said I didn't need his name), I would give him.. forget but something like $20. He said No, so I just walked away, with the $20.

So it is true that some of them don't want to do anything in exchange for what they get.

However, they are NOT all alike as some here have said or implied.

(Also, the cops were not harassing him that I could see. He was always walking around town with 2 or 3 shopping carts full of stuff, walking down busy streets where cops could see him. Not once did I see them bother him)

The homeless were created when JFK shut down the mental institutions. They are the chronic mentally ill and often have schizophrenia, alcoholism induced brain damage, Bi Polar, untreated PTSD, major depression. I had them as patients when I worked at Temple Hospital in Phila

 

[forkintheroad7]

The homeless were created when JFK shut down the mental institutions. They are the chronic mentally ill and often have schizophrenia, alcoholism induced brain damage, Bi Polar, untreated PTSD, major depression. I had them as patients when I worked at Temple Hospital in Phila

You already told this story. I guess u don't remember telling it to me.

And again, I have known or at least had conversations with something like 20 homeless people in the last several years and only ONE was obviously "mental." Maybe not all the ones I've connected with were logical and rational 24/7/365 but what human ever is?

The guy who wouldn't write anything for me even though I offered him $20 is a good example of not being logical. . except maybe he didn't trust me, which is logical if you've been treated like dirt by family and/or friends for years. But since I didn't ask for his name, what can I do against him? I mean, that incident did not make sense, but I don't call people Mentally ill just because of that kind of thing..

Also, why are we as a society allowing the ones who do have some mental issues to roam the streets and sleep on sidewalks?

So much for being a compassionate nation.

 

[DGS49]

(1). I find it appalling that the expression, "less fortunate" is universally applied to those whose lives are fucked-up. Nobody knows whether someone is "unfortunate" unless they know the person's history. Some wretched people are wretched because of decisions they made and refusal to get with the program of self-sufficiency - a program that requires self-discipline, work, and a bit of foresight. Some "unfortunate" people are thriving despite poor circumstances and bad breaks, because they worked hard and made good decisions.

(2). It should be obvious by now that no government program or programs can "cure" homelessness, which has become a substantial industry in California, where they spend billions to fight it, yet it thrives. Thousands of Californians make their living "fighting" homelessness; draw your own conclusions.

(3). The two most-cited causes of homelessness are mental incapacity and substance abuse. Theoretically these can be addressed successfully, but Leftist advocate groups like the ACLU forced the closure of mental institutions, and homeless advocates are reluctant to accept programs that demand conformance with living standards as a prerequisite for "help."

(4). That leaves those who have truly "fallen on hard times" - those who have been harmed and/or bankrupted by medical issues, victims of divorce, abandonment or death of a supporting family member, those working poor who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own, and so on. These are what used to be referred to as "the deserving poor," and they are the ones who might benefit most from programs that reward effort and diligence with free or subsidized housing, healthcare, and other support.

(5). It would be worthwhile to screen the homeless to ascertain which of the foregoing categories each one is a part of, and devise a plan to address their personal issues. I really don't think Government - and especially the Federal government - can do this. And Congress has no "power" to spend our money on this sort of thing anyway. I donate a bit to local organizations that work this way...Light of Life Mission in Pittsburgh, for example, and the Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh.

(6). It is not "compassionate" to vote for politicians who promise to spend OPM on "the Poor." It is empty virtue signaling, and evading one's own personal obligation to contribute to society.

 

[Moonglow]

I worked at Temple hospital and treated the homeless in the psych unit. They are all mentally ill. They have schizophrenia, Wernicke's Korsakoff's syndrome from alcohol abuse, addiction, bipolar disorder, unresolved PTSD self medicated with street drugs. Too bad you have no idea what the problem is which makes you part of the problem. When did you get your degree in psychology.

The homeless were created when JFK passed the Community Behavioral Health act of 1963 closing all the mental institutions.

The 1963 Community Mental Health Act didn't close all mental institutions immediately, but it shifted the focus to community-based care by providing funding for local centers. This policy is a major reason for the subsequent deinstitutionalization movement, which led to the significant downsizing of large state psychiatric hospitals as patients were intended to be treated in the community instead. However, the transition was gradual and faced challenges, and the complete closure of all institutions was a result of this shift over many years, not an immediate effect of the act itself.

• A Look at the New Executive Order and the Intersection of Homelessness and Mental Illness | KFF.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Was John the Baptist in the Bible mentally ill?

He had no home and lived in the wilderness eating locust and wild honey.

The Jews would say yes

 

[Hafar1014]

The 1963 Community Mental Health Act didn't close all mental institutions immediately, but it shifted the focus to community-based care by providing funding for local centers. This policy is a major reason for the subsequent deinstitutionalization movement, which led to the significant downsizing of large state psychiatric hospitals as patients were intended to be treated in the community instead. However, the transition was gradual and faced challenges, and the complete closure of all institutions was a result of this shift over many years, not an immediate effect of the act itself.

• A Look at the New Executive Order and the Intersection of Homelessness and Mental Illness | KFF.

The community based mental health system was never built creating the homeless problem. Democrats passed laws blocking long term mandated treatment.

 

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