Zone1 Are we obligated to help the homeless? A Catholic priest has this answer

You will be homeless in the next life

True story...


I've lived decades in CA. Have massive sympathy for the truly unfortunately homeless. I am asking what to do about it right now. For the lady laid off, evicted, no gas....sleeping in her car tonight. Then they tow it the next day.

What does she do "saint matthew"? Realistic. Right now. God help her if she has an 8 year old kid too. What do they do right now? Into a Shelter bed at dark only next to a 25 count felonious murderer? SHUP on me.
 
Well, Biblically you are supposed to leave your gleanings for the poor, not pick it, grind it up, turn it into bread, make a sammich, and then go out and find someone who will eat it.
That's the scripture reading for Mass for last Sunday. In one of the Books of the OT God is disgusted w/ the Israelites who can't wait for the Sabbath to end so they can cheat at selling the wheat. They plan on selling even the chaff of the wheat, which is usually tossed aside -because they are into money and not the things of the Lord. Also was mentioned how they treated the poor like dirt (due to this same love of $$, I suppose)

At the end of the passage God says "Never will I forget what they have done."
 
The liberals could learn a few things from you

:)

Oh, yeh, aren't you one of those?

hmmmmmm


He's the biggest stealth anarchist comme dic other than the Mac & Cheese gang. Another huge phony occasionally tossing out a common sense bone fooling many board weaklings//
 
I've lived decades in CA. Have massive sympathy for the truly unfortunately homeless. I am asking what to do about it right now. For the lady laid off, evicted, no gas....sleeping in her car tonight. Then they tow it the next day.

What does she do "saint matthew"? Realistic. Right now. God help her if she has an 8 year old kid too. What do they do right now? Into a Shelter bed at dark only next to a 25 count felonious murderer? SHUP on me.
I've had many ideas for how the rich could get together and build low-income homes for people. No one listens to me because few care about these people's problems. And the ones who do don't have a lot of money... etc...

I guess we'll just (as a society) leave these people alone and they can fend for themselves.. and then society can ***** about how smelly these people are when they show up in libraries and restaurants... so self-righteous about having a shower when others do not... when the bible says

"What do you have that you have not been given?"
 
He's the biggest stealth anarchist comme dic other than the Mac & Cheese gang. Another huge phony occasionally tossing out a common sense bone fooling many board weaklings//
LOL

Yeh, I think I was one who was temporarily fooled.

but... once burnt, twice shy...

or twice Ignore... :)
 
I've had many ideas for how the rich could get together and build low-income homes for people. No one listens to me because few care about these people's problems. And the ones who do don't have a lot of money... etc...

I guess we'll just (as a society) leave these people alone and they can fend for themselves.. and then society can ***** about how smelly these people are when they show up in libraries and restaurants... so self-righteous about having a shower when others do not... when the bible says

"What do you have that you have not been given?"


You mean no income housing. 6 weeks sleeping on cement, no one will be given any job to pay CA rent level. No fixed address and all the rest that begins. I know I too would want sedatives in mass to lay on the sidewalk on a blanket.
 
That's the scripture reading for Mass for last Sunday. In one of the Books of the OT God is disgusted w/ the Israelites who can't wait for the Sabbath to end so they can cheat at selling the wheat. They plan on selling even the chaff of the wheat, which is usually tossed aside -because they are into money and not the things of the Lord. Also was mentioned how they treated the poor like dirt (due to this same love of $$, I suppose)

At the end of the passage God says "Never will I forget what they have done."
There is a somewhat small but interesting movement to plant and harvest biblically to let land rest 1 of every 7 years from planting, mowing, pruning, harvesting. I had a now dead uncle who absolutely would not harvest from the outer rows of his fields. He also planted according to the almanac but I don't recall him ever letting land sit out a year. He also used to grow a lot of heritage variety seeds and donate them to some group that preserves those varieties.
 
I've had many ideas for how the rich could get together and build low-income homes for people. No one listens to me because few care about these people's problems. And the ones who do don't have a lot of money... etc...

I guess we'll just (as a society) leave these people alone and they can fend for themselves.. and then society can ***** about how smelly these people are when they show up in libraries and restaurants... so self-righteous about having a shower when others do not... when the bible says

"What do you have that you have not been given?"


Many have to help fund borderline homeless relatives to keep them off streets. Since the 09' collapse it's been rough for many in many other countries also.

Not every 27 yr old lives free in daddy's guest house in Atherton.

It's a mess out there.
 
I'm tired of people throwing out the accusation of mental illness against people they don't even know (the homeless)

but never DEFINING the term

Strictly speaking, we are ALL mentally ill. It's called SIN and all of us are guilty of it. Therefore, the term Mental illness is meaningless.

If you worry too much, you are "mentally ill" because Jesus said to trust Him and the Father

If you obsess about your possessions, you are mentally ill because Jesus said to SHARE them w/ others...

and I could go on and on...............

If you are a judge who lets violent, repeat offenders out of prison so they can murder a young woman on a lightrail train, you are VERY mentally ill and should not be a judge... AND should be in prison with the one you released

but hey, at least you're not as bad as those OMG OMG worthless -human- trash homeless people (!)
so you will not go to prison and in fact will keep your job as "judge" (since the non-violent homeless are far worse than you are)

Society has lost its mind
Dude:

 
Many have to help fund borderline homeless relatives to keep them off streets. Since the 09' collapse it's been rough for many in many other countries also.

Not every 27 yr old lives free in daddy's guest house in Atherton.

It's a mess out there.
out where?
 
My guess is that living on the streets will definitely cause mental issues...

How could it not?
Well, you also guessed that the accusations of mental illness in the homeless population were false. You were wrong.

 
Well, you also guessed that the accusations of mental illness in the homeless population were false. You were wrong.

a quarter?

1/4?

25%

How does that morph into

All homeless are mentally ill?
 
No one here has yet defined what constitutes

"mental illness"

I guess definitions are not important.

(and don't say I didn't at least address a possible definition... I said we are all that because we are all sinners)
 
No one here has yet defined what constitutes

"mental illness"

I guess definitions are not important.

(and don't say I didn't at least address a possible definition... I said we are all that because we are all sinners)
OK, you just want to rant.

Have a blessed day.
 
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You mean no income housing. 6 weeks sleeping on cement, no one will be given any job to pay CA rent level. No fixed address and all the rest that begins. I know I too would want sedatives in mass to lay on the sidewalk on a blanket.
I'm not sure I get this or the point of it... ?
 
A Catholic priest (not sure of his name) wrote the following in regard to
Sunday's Mass Gospel reading, St Luke 16:19 (full Gospel passage follows)
Emphasis and bracketed words are mine (Forkintheroad7)



My sisters and brothers, in the Gospel of our Mass this weekend [St Luke 16:19 (following)] we have Jesus telling us the story of the rich man who feasted sumptuously every day and refused to share even the crumbs from his table with a starving beggar at his gate. Try to picture the scene… We are all tainted with selfishness. We do not find it easy to share our possessions with others. We find it even harder to share ourselves with them. But we are all beggars before God. We need [to beg for God’s] forgiveness especially for our refusal to share. We should pray for this forgiveness as we participate in our Sunday [Mass].

No human being, much less a follower of Jesus, can say that he is responsible only for himself, and that his neighbor’s plight is none of his business. Otherwise, he speaks like Cain who [denied being his] brother’s keeper, and acts like Dives—the rich man in [this] parable—who was so cushioned by his lavish lifestyle that he was… oblivious to the presence of a needy person at his gate and treated him as if he were less than nothing, or part of the scenery. The frightening thing about the parable of Jesus is this: Dives, the rich man, was obviously a believer. He had heard what the Scriptures had to say, but clearly its message had not penetrated beyond his ears. It had not converted him. His heart remained like a stone. And there is no place in the Kingdom of Heaven for a person like that…

It is not easy to convert the rich. It is like this: the more people have, the more they have to lose. The more people have to lose, the more fearful they become… the more defensive they get… The result is that they end up with a withered heart. And it is [virtually] impossible to breathe life into a withered heart. To close one’s heart is to begin to die, to open one’s heart is to begin to live. At the end of the day, it is not what we carry in our… wallets or bank accounts that matters. What matters is what we carry in our hearts. That is where the rich man was found wanting. Poverty of the heart is the worst form of poverty. May our generous Lord inspire us to be generous of heart like Him to those in need.

⛪



Gospel of Luke 16:19

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.


The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ā€˜Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’


ā€œBut Abraham replied, ā€˜Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’


ā€œHe answered, ā€˜Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


ā€œAbraham replied, ā€˜They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’


ā€œā€˜No, father Abraham,’ he said, ā€˜but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’


He said to him, ā€˜If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.ā€™ā€



Me: Amazing--wouldn't believe even if one were to rise from the dead!

That's some serious obstinacy
Does ā€œhelping the homelessā€ mean we have to give them food and a place to live?

I dont think so

Nor does it mean allowing them to poop on the sidewalk and otherwise be a public nuisance?

For me the obvious answer is no
 
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