Zone1 Are we obligated to help the homeless? A Catholic priest has this answer

I'm not sure I get this or the point of it... ?


You said "LOW income" housing. I said "NO income" housing for the majority of them. At least not the first 6mo to a year. It is hard to get any "real" job when you don't have a fixed address for the last years? Clean credit? I don't know. its' a mess. You won't get any Silicon valley fortune 500 job that pays anything if you are not clean or mostly clean on paper.
 
You said "LOW income" housing. I said "NO income" housing for the majority of them. At least not the first 6mo to a year.
Well, I don't believe anything should be absolutely free. In the no income place you speak of, which may not even exist?
they could do work in exchange for rent. People are known for taking free stuff totally for granted and that just fosters the notion they don't really have to work,

yet life is full of work...

I don't say that because I'm a Christian, and it says in the bible man will, as a result of sin, "work by the sweat of his brow all the days of his life,"

but that's not a bad reason

Being homeless is actually more work than having a job. The laundry mat is in one place, the grocery store in another. Eating in a car all the time presents its own problems/limitations... etc...
 
I would like to live near the beach in Santa Barbara or Ventura too. But I can't afford to. Never wanted to spend zillions where there are no real jobs also. But the homeless want to live ON the BEACH literally. They need to go where the jobs are. To the fields or to packing plants in Omaha. I hear they have openings from removing illegals. This also goes for inner city Black hoodlums. Any that are still salvagable need to be re-located where entry level work is. Sorry but them are the facts. No big successful company seems willing to open up in Black ghetto areas. Trump should force APPL or others to do that. Instead of Asia. Oh, wait? He is trying to do exactly that thru tariffs. As the Board Stain....resist any and all ideas. That is a mess too.
 
I would like to live near the beach in Santa Barbara or Ventura too. But I can't afford to. Never wanted to spend zillions where there are no real jobs also. But the homeless want to live ON the BEACH literally. They need to go where the jobs are. To the fields or to packing plants in Omaha. I hear they have openings from removing illegals. This also goes for inner city Black hoodlums. Any that are still salvagable need to be re-located where entry level work is. Sorry but them are the facts. No big successful company seems willing to open up in Black ghetto areas. Trump should force APPL or others to do that. Instead of Asia. Oh, wait? He is trying to do exactly that thru tariffs. As the Board Stain....resist any and all ideas. That is a mess too.
Board stain?

what's that?
 
When you need almost $4K/mo (back in 2015) just to "survive" in a studio APT with a car to get to work in CA. (DO the MATH). Who is going to hire the guy outside Safeway for the last year, sleeping in the NATL guard armory (only in cold months) for $1000/wk. Oh split rent with three others? In what? a 1BR is $2K/month anywhere near any jobs. It is truly a mess.
 
Board stain?

what's that?

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When you need almost $4K/mo (back in 2015) just to "survive" in a studio APT with a car to get to work in CA. (DO the MATH). Who is going to hire the guy outside Safeway for the last year, sleeping in the NATL guard armory (only in cold months) for $1000/wk. Oh split rent with three others? In what? a 1BR is $2K/month anywhere near any jobs. It is truly a mess.

Yeh, thanks for drawing attention to the problem of high rent. CA is one of the worst (used to live there but things are totally different today... except for HIGH rent). I know a homeless man who only gets about $500 a month Social Security (so he says, but that sounds very low, so not sure he's telling the whole truth). How are you going to rent an apt that is going to be at least $800 a month (he's not in CA.. red state). Even if he got $200 more than that, yeh, how is he going to pay the rent landlords require? He can't.

So yeh, it is hardly the homeless person's fault and nothing but his/her fault... NOT at all
 
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Oh, ok... I didn't think of the forum here as the board.

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Here is one idea? Can't be real to hand out rot-gut Vodka? Maybe its' water? But the comments say Booze.

One comment was spot on" What could happen? They become alcoholics and lose their jobs, family, and homes? Oh wait...



I guarnantee you put me on cement one night with rats, bugs, dogs, humans roaming about as I try to sleep on a sleeping bag? I would find the Fentynal man the very next morning as I beg for coffee.
 
Yes, there are solutions but America never elected a socially responsible government and now there's a long road back.
Impossible under the rule of a corporate psychopath!
JFK created the homeless when he shut done the mental institutions. Democrats passed laws preventing long term commitments so they refuse treatment and are back out on the street. Its a local problem now and democrat cities exploit them
I have not seen statistics on this, but it does make sense.

Being mentally ill is taboo in society and people naturally want to isolate from them.

However, if you have a physical problem, like heart disease, they will treat you just fine.

It is a sad fact of the human condition, that mentally ill people are treated worse than people with physical ailments, but it is what it is.
Its not a fact I worked in 4 mental hospitals and the treatment is effective and compassionate. We tolerate being attacked spit on bitten and we still mange to deliver effective compassionate care. The problem is the mentally ill refuse treatment they need
 
JFK created the homeless when he shut done the mental institutions.
That would do it!
Democrats passed laws preventing long term commitments so they refuse treatment and are back out on the street. Its a local problem now and democrat cities exploit them
It's America's problem and it was created by socially irresponsible government. Trump made that his weapon against the system that had failed the working class.
Its not a fact I worked in 4 mental hospitals and the treatment is effective and compassionate. We tolerate being attacked spit on bitten and we still mange to deliver effective compassionate care.
You didn't work in any hospital unless you worked for a contractor sweeping and mopping floors..
The problem is the mentally ill refuse treatment they need
When you said that I knew you were a faker. (You even said it twice but forgot to say that you mopped floors.)
 
Get off this notion that most homeless people are mental... and most of those saying so refuse to define Mental illness. Get outa here!

None of the homeless people I've met and interacted with (which is undoubtedly way more than others here) has been obviously mentally ill, any more than any of YOU people are. And some people here on the forum have said things FAR crazier than anything a homeless person (I have encountered) has said.

I can't think of ONE homeless person I've met over the years who appeared to be "out in outer space" or what have you... not one... but don't worry, I'm still thinking and trying to remember all of them
 
He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” Me: Amazing--wouldn't believe even if one were to rise from the dead!

That's some serious obstinacy

Thats for sure! Its the same level of obstinate stupidity openly displayed by "believers" who have read the commandments and still turn to a lifeless piece of bread for spiritual life or worship a Jewish man as if he was God which is idolatry, not to mention absurd, profane, obscene, and the abomination that causes desolation.

And I'm sure you wouldn't notice if someone rose from the dead and told you things that the dead never could.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They can't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead."
 
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Thats for sure! Its the same level of obstinate stupidity openly displayed by believers who have read the commandments and still turn to a lifeless piece of bread for spiritual life or worship a Jewish man as if he was God which is idolatry, not to mention absurd, profane, obscene, and the abomination that causes desolation.

And I'm sure you wouldn't notice if someone rose from the dead and told you things that the dead never could.

Amazing how clueless Protestants can be...

Oh well... your choice.

Keep speaking against Holy "things"... I'm sure that will end well for you...
 
Amazing how clueless Protestants can be...

Oh well... your choice.

Keep speaking against Holy "things"... I'm sure that will end well for you...
Like I said.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They can't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead."

Attention! This is not a drill. This is the only wake up call you will ever get. Its a do or die situation. I shit you not.

btw, I am not Protestant. Luther may have taken a step away from the papacy, but he didn't step far enough.

See? YOU haven't got a clue. You die every single time you set aside the Law of God to worship an imaginary trinity that became an edible sacrificial first century Jewish man. Always dying but never finding peace in death. I'm sorry to tell you but you are like a homeless man beaten up robbed and left for dead on the side of the road.

I'm sure that all of the wild beasts of the field start drooling when they smell you coming from a mile away. But if that makes you happy, be what you is. Easy prey for every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth.
 
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Like I said.

"There are dead people everywhere. Walking around like regular people. They can't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know that they're dead."

Attention! This is not a drill. This is the only wake up call you will ever get. Its a do or die situation. I shit you not.

btw, I am not Protestant. Luther may have taken a step away from the papacy, but he didn't step far enough.

See? YOU haven't got a clue. You die every single time you set aside the Law of God to worship an imaginary trinity that became an edible sacrificial first century Jewish man. Always dying but never finding peace in death. I'm sorry to tell you but you are like a homeless man beaten up robbed and left for dead on the side of the road.

I'm sure that all of the wild beasts of the field start drooling when they smell you coming from a mile away. But if that makes you happy, be what you is. Easy prey for every sort of foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth.
Now I remember why I put you on Ignore (I write, after reading the first 3 sentences or thereabouts)

But there is another reason I noticed also

You are a hypocrite. You are the one who is "dead" because you refuse to listen to anyone but yourself. . brain dead

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Yes.

The mitzvah of tzedakah:
Deuteronomy 15:7-8: "Do not harden your heart and shut your hand against your needy kinsman. Rather, you must open your hand and lend him sufficient for whatever he needs,"

Specific ways to fulfill this mitzvah include providing food and shelter, offering loans or employment to enable independence, and engaging in acts of kindness that restore dignity and help the homeless become self-sufficient.

One key reason the West is in decline because people refuse to follow the most basic of commands.

It's not always easy. We can't always do so. We should try though.
 
Yes.

The mitzvah of tzedakah:
Deuteronomy 15:7-8: "Do not harden your heart and shut your hand against your needy kinsman. Rather, you must open your hand and lend him sufficient for whatever he needs,"

Specific ways to fulfill this mitzvah include providing food and shelter, offering loans or employment to enable independence, and engaging in acts of kindness that restore dignity and help the homeless become self-sufficient.

One key reason the West is in decline because people refuse to follow the most basic of commands.

It's not always easy. We can't always do so. We should try though.
There's a scripture in the OT that says to harbor the harborless

It cannot always be done because... who lets total strangers live under the same roof w/ them? But maybe home-owners who have land could be given a tax break or whatever to build small homes?

It just seems that most people in the system don't want to talk about such things, but maybe I haven't tried hard enough to talk to them? I have a tendency to give up when I first feel defeated about seemingly big projects. The thing is, the homeless situation has gone so long neglected that it has become one of those "big" things that feels like it can't be overcome, even though I know it can be..
 
A Catholic priest (not sure of his name) wrote the following in regard to
Sunday's Mass Gospel reading, St Luke 16:19 (full Gospel passage follows)
Emphasis and bracketed words are mine (Forkintheroad7)



My sisters and brothers, in the Gospel of our Mass this weekend [St Luke 16:19 (following)] we have Jesus telling us the story of the rich man who feasted sumptuously every day and refused to share even the crumbs from his table with a starving beggar at his gate. Try to picture the scene… We are all tainted with selfishness. We do not find it easy to share our possessions with others. We find it even harder to share ourselves with them. But we are all beggars before God. We need [to beg for God’s] forgiveness especially for our refusal to share. We should pray for this forgiveness as we participate in our Sunday [Mass].

No human being, much less a follower of Jesus, can say that he is responsible only for himself, and that his neighbor’s plight is none of his business. Otherwise, he speaks like Cain who [denied being his] brother’s keeper, and acts like Dives—the rich man in [this] parable—who was so cushioned by his lavish lifestyle that he was… oblivious to the presence of a needy person at his gate and treated him as if he were less than nothing, or part of the scenery. The frightening thing about the parable of Jesus is this: Dives, the rich man, was obviously a believer. He had heard what the Scriptures had to say, but clearly its message had not penetrated beyond his ears. It had not converted him. His heart remained like a stone. And there is no place in the Kingdom of Heaven for a person like that…

It is not easy to convert the rich. It is like this: the more people have, the more they have to lose. The more people have to lose, the more fearful they become… the more defensive they get… The result is that they end up with a withered heart. And it is [virtually] impossible to breathe life into a withered heart. To close one’s heart is to begin to die, to open one’s heart is to begin to live. At the end of the day, it is not what we carry in our… wallets or bank accounts that matters. What matters is what we carry in our hearts. That is where the rich man was found wanting. Poverty of the heart is the worst form of poverty. May our generous Lord inspire us to be generous of heart like Him to those in need.

⛪



Gospel of Luke 16:19

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores and longing to eat what fell from the rich man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.


The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’


“But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’


“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’


“Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’


“‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’


He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”



Me: Amazing--wouldn't believe even if one were to rise from the dead!

That's some serious obstinacy
Yes, the Bible does say, "If anyone is unwilling to work, let him not eat" in 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12. This verse from the Apostle Paul's letter addresses church members who were living an idle, "busybody" lifestyle instead of working to support themselves. The context is a command to people who are able to work but refuse to, not to those who are unable to due to illness or other circumstances. It's a principle encouraging self-sufficiency and discouraging reliance on others when one is capable of providing for themselves.
 
Yes, the Bible does say, "If anyone is unwilling to work, let him not eat" in 2 Thessalonians 3:10-12. This verse from the Apostle Paul's letter addresses church members who were living an idle, "busybody" lifestyle instead of working to support themselves. The context is a command to people who are able to work but refuse to, not to those who are unable to due to illness or other circumstances. It's a principle encouraging self-sufficiency and discouraging reliance on others when one is capable of providing for themselves.
Some wish to work but certain apparatuses prevent them from.

I say that those who are members of such apparatuses will face their judgement one day. In general, I wouldn't want to trade souls with any of them.
 
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