Zone1 Are these two great contradictions of the Catholic Faith

[Mashmont]

You seem to think giving all your wealth to these men you worship is giving to Christ.

Like I said, give your money to that wealthy church if you like, but don't expect a penny from me. I don't see God in your organization

Which men are you saying I worship and give money to?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Which men are you saying I worship and give money to?

Dead saints. Your Pope. Your church

 

[Cougarbear]

He didn't say build great monuments and give gold to those who claim My Name

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

Did he say this to his 12 apostles too? I don't think so. He said this to the man because in his heart, he was not ready to join in the ministry that Jesus needed at the time. Are we asked to sell everything today to be a member of His Church? No. Context is always lost by ignorance.

 

[Cougarbear]

The bible doesn't teach that. Twisted reasoning of blind guides does.

True. But JWs have enough of their own problems with non-biblical teachings.

 

[Cougarbear]

Did he say this to his 12 apostles too? I don't think so. He said this to the man because in his heart, he was not ready to join in the ministry that Jesus needed at the time. Are we asked to sell everything today to be a member of His Church? No. Context is always lost by ignorance.

I don’t see this is trolling. Who said it was?

 

[kjw47]

True. But JWs have enough of their own problems with non-biblical teachings.

No they don't. The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Earth back the JW teachers as does Israelite true God worship history= the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--Blind guides using altered translations teach a trinity.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The Church was not created to feed people. But neither was it established to build great buildings.

The purpose of the church (the Body of Christ) is to preach the gospel and prepare the members to live holy righteous lives

Jesus did not abolish everything in the Mosaic (Jewish) tradition when He ascended.

True, there weren't cathedrals around before Constantine (or were there? I'm not well versed in such.. more focused on modern history, like post-Vatican II when all the radical nonsense began) but anyway, there's this:

Jesus did so much to help people. He healed those who couldn't hear, those who couldn't speak, those who couldn't walk. He raised people from the dead. But it's interesting that, as far as we know, He never gave anyone any money, no matter how many beggars there were and there were likely many. I give to beggars but there is no evidence Jesus did...

My point is that He helped with issues of health and etc, but did not magically make $$ appear for the poor.... (which, as God, He could have)

Kind of interesting IMO

(He was a Republican... LOL)

 

[forkintheroad7]

I don't think God needs that kind of gift. Kindness and charity would be better IMHO.

I heard somewhere that the poor love the big cathedrals and do not want them to go away. As Christians, we are required to help the needy. That means letting the needy be in the big cathedrals where Christ is tangibly present (via Transubstantiation)

 

[forkintheroad7]

Dead saints. Your Pope. Your church

Wow, you've really drunk the kool aid...

So many people are ignorant of True Catholicism.. But they can stay ignorant because no one ever listens to Catholics here explaining it. Seek and you will find. Everyone has to seek on his own and find on his own. No post on some internet forum is going to persuade them to believe in the Church Christ founded, which was called Catholic in the first centuries after the Ascension

Seek and find. Then Jesus did say that Heaven is something you FIND... (the Narrow Road)

but again, no one listens so I won't waste my time

 

[Cougarbear]

No they don't. The teachings of Jesus in every translation on Earth back the JW teachers as does Israelite true God worship history= the Abrahamic God= a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--Blind guides using altered translations teach a trinity.

Nothing wrong with the doctrine that there are 3 members of the Godhead. The problem is that they don't believe that God has a body, parts or passions. Does JWs believe God has a physical body with parts and passions? A resurrected human being? If not, your church also would be following Aristotle too.

 

[kjw47]

Nothing wrong with the doctrine that there are 3 members of the Godhead. The problem is that they don't believe that God has a body, parts or passions. Does JWs believe God has a physical body with parts and passions? A resurrected human being? If not, your church also would be following Aristotle too.

God has no physical body. No flesh lives in Gods dwelling place, spirit beings do. God didn't come down here, the bible is 100% clear-God sent his son.

 

[Cougarbear]

God has no physical body. No flesh lives in Gods dwelling place, spirit beings do. God didn't come down here, the bible is 100% clear-God sent his son.

If he's the Son of the Father, then he also is God too. It's your stupid fake prophets that have changed the everlasting words of God to change who Jesus Christ is. He went back to be at the right hand of God. Obviously then part of the Godhead. Each has a different responsibility. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus did not abolish everything in the Mosaic (Jewish) tradition when He ascended.

True, there weren't cathedrals around before Constantine (or were there? I'm not well versed in such.. more focused on modern history, like post-Vatican II when all the radical nonsense began) but anyway, there's this:

Jesus did so much to help people. He healed those who couldn't hear, those who couldn't speak, those who couldn't walk. He raised people from the dead. But it's interesting that, as far as we know, He never gave anyone any money, no matter how many beggars there were and there were likely many. I give to beggars but there is no evidence Jesus did...

My point is that He helped with issues of health and etc, but did not magically make $$ appear for the poor.... (which, as God, He could have)

Kind of interesting IMO

(He was a Republican... LOL)

He fed the '5000' with fish and bread.
I was approached once by a man who asked for a handout as he hadn't eaten that day. He looked hungover to me, so I took him to nearby cafe and bought him a meal. After the meal I gave him a few dollars and told him to "have a couple of beers on me", which is what he wanted in the first place.

 

[Woodznutz]

Wow, you've really drunk the kool aid...

So many people are ignorant of True Catholicism.. But they can stay ignorant because no one ever listens to Catholics here explaining it. Seek and you will find. Everyone has to seek on his own and find on his own. No post on some internet forum is going to persuade them to believe in the Church Christ founded, which was called Catholic in the first centuries after the Ascension

Seek and find. Then Jesus did say that Heaven is something you FIND... (the Narrow Road)

but again, no one listens so I won't waste my time

Deep in the bowels of the Catholic Church the Inquisition still lives...waiting.

 

[kjw47]

If he's the Son of the Father, then he also is God too. It's your stupid fake prophets that have changed the everlasting words of God to change who Jesus Christ is. He went back to be at the right hand of God. Obviously then part of the Godhead. Each has a different responsibility. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost.

No son is their Father.

 

[ding]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God


THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.


Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind


And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

is this what Catholics seem to suggest. ?

In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching



Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""

but is this not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?

For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation ........

Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

Lot to unpack here. Just know that you are a spiritual being experiencing a human existence. Therefore, you shouldn’t overly concern yourself with the form of religion.

 

[Cougarbear]

No son is their Father.

DUH!!! What a ridiculous statement. Yet, that's exactly what Catholics and Protestants believe. LDS and JWs do not for different reasons. At least they don't believe in Aristotle.

 

[zaangalewa]

Hello Friends

is there anyone who would be interested or knowledgeable or even someone such as myself seeking knowledge concerning the faith and claims of our Catholic friends.


Catechism Of The Catholic Church

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states: ” Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreative " and unitive purposes


The Catholic Church teaches that condoms - birth control, and any means of avoiding or deviating away from the fertizilating the egg with the sperm while having intercourse - is unholy, - sexual intercourse cannot be just for enjoyment with your wife or husband


Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its " procreation " fertilization , to furthering the DNA - GENETICS to be passed down through a conception ...

II. The Vocation to Chastity # 2351
Part Three Section Two The Ten Commandments Chapter Two You Shall Love Your Neighbor As Yourself Article 6 The Sixth Commandment II. The Vocation To Chastity


Furthermore

Roman Catholic Father - St. Augustine, demands that “ Sexual desire a significant role in original sin's transmission, - sexual intercourse is the daughter of sin, is also the mother of sin ... LUST - Lust becomes causally involved in the transmission of original sin ...

Sexual lust thereby becomes not merely a symbol of carnal concupiscence, but its cause.

this is basic foundation of all Catholic Teaching regarding sex and Original Sin


The Reality is that the Catholic Church demands that because Jesus was not born with sexual intercourse by an earthly Father, he was completely free from Original sin, the Roman Catholic believes that original sin is CAUSE AND EFFECT and by the literal sex act - by having a sexual interaction - a man and woman having romantic relations, this is what has literally CAUSED ALL to be born with original sin - the sex act itself causes the sin - sex is sinful but tolerated by God


THIS IS WHY MARY'S VIRGINITY IS SO IMPORTANT TO ROMAN CATHOLICS

BECAUSE - Mary was PURE - HOLY , SEXUALLY PERFECT - - - Mary was guarding her virginity - abstaining from having sex - Mary was righteous - Holy Virgin -

the Roman Catholic believes that Jesus is FREE of Original sin because he was not born from sperm and egg conception with an earthly father. But this is contradicted by the fact that both Adam and Eve were born without the sex act,


both Adam and Eve were born without a human father or an earthly mother - yet this Immaculate Creation of Adam and Eve - this did not help them or prevent them from committing sin, this did nothing for them even though they were not born nor created from a sexual act.


Adam and Eve even lived at a time where purity was at its most powerful and potent form and they both existed as the very best potential and perfect example possible, purity was at the strongest and most powerful and purest form that has ever existed for human kind


And still their decision and temptation and weakness to commit immoral acts, to sin, to defile their bodies and disobey God’ s commandment was not prevented - by the state and the situation , the status , and circumstance and condition “ Immaculately Created “ they were not even born from human mother nor father nor created by any sexual relations - __


Do Catholics deny that Jesus had “ FREE WILL “ ?

Was the Roman Catholic Jesus free from all temptation and someone who did not have “ FREE WILL “ ?

is this what Catholics seem to suggest. ?

In conclusion, another great contradiction is the following Roman Catholic Catechism teaching



Catechism of the Catholic Church - Second Edition - # 404
""_ The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. _""

but is this not simply an untruthful contradiction, there are 66 total books of the bible that clearly explain what original sin means

these scriptures explain in complete detail the understanding of Original Sin. The Bible fully explains what caused Original SIn and the result and effect and the solution that God has provided to remedy the original sin.


How can Roman Catholics resolve and explain these 2 great contradictions ?

For Roman Catholics to demand that being created without the sex act prevents someone from committing sin - and removes the choice, and Free Will and also Temptation ........

Why do Catholics deny that Jesus was faced with the challenge of “ FREE WILL “ and temptation, and was tempted in all the ways that all humans are, just as Adam and Eve but Jesus overcame his own will , denied himself and submitted to the will of God. ?


For Roman Catholics to demand that -- The transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand

Why do Catholics deny that God has fully explained the cause and effect of the curse of Original Sin and has also provided the clear remedy. ?

What a luck that I am a Catholic who has no need to understand what our enemies say about us. But do you understand on your own what you say here? For example is birth control a totally normal from of family planing for Catholics. Only some forms of birth control are not compatible - but this has other reasons.

And if you speak about original sin you shoud perhaps also try to speak about original innocence.

 

[kjw47]

DUH!!! What a ridiculous statement. Yet, that's exactly what Catholics and Protestants believe. LDS and JWs do not for different reasons. At least they don't believe in Aristotle.

JW,s dont believe in Aristotle, he was a Greek false god worshipper.

 

[Cougarbear]

JW,s dont believe in Aristotle, he was a Greek false god worshipper.

Isn't that what I wrote? "LDS and JWs do not for different reasons."
The difference between LDS and JW's is that we believe Jesus was Jehovah who came down via the instructions by Father Elohim to gain a body, establish a church and teach the proper doctrine, atone for our sins and be resurrected and again sit on the right hand of Elohim as a member of the Godhead of the Universe with resurrected physical bodies. JW's believe Jesus is Michael, which is false doctrine, and thus worshipping a false god.