Are there any real feminists on USMB?

[PixieStix]

I refuse to be part of a group that is all about hating on another part of society, because they were born a different gender, no matter the gender, male or female. Got it?

Men and women both are equally important.

but it is okay to hate on sluts who choose to have a child? Got it.

JB, I hear it is beneficial to have Pixie as a friend.

Elaborate?

 

[JBeukema]

you has no clue

 

[Luissa]

I refuse to be part of a group that is all about hating on another part of society, because they were born a different gender, no matter the gender, male or female. Got it?

Men and women both are equally important.

but it is okay to hate on sluts who choose to have a child? Got it.

JB, I hear it is beneficial to have Pixie as a friend.

Elaborate?

Can't.

 

[Luissa]

you has no clue

So, I made a typo.

You still have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[JBeukema]

I wonder how they'd reconcile their insistence that I hate women with the fact that practically everyone I speak to is female.

I find it funny that Mad claims to be a feminist, but she doesn't know anything about 1st-wave feminism and thinks feminism means you have to be pro-abortion.

Your past posts speak for themselves.

Yes, they do

http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...tion-of-life-vs-protection-of-the-person.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/86516-official-declaration-of-change-of-policy.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/law-and-justice-system/98398-what-should-abortion-laws-be.html

as grown women they have both rights and responsibilities and aren't poor little creatures in need of men to take care of them.

It's called feminism, little girl. Ask a real woman about it someday.

 

[PixieStix]

but it is okay to hate on sluts who choose to have a child? Got it.

JB, I hear it is beneficial to have Pixie as a friend.

Elaborate?

Can't.

You wanna be on my friend list honey?

 

[Luissa]

Tell me again, how people dropping their children off for story time at the mall, are not responsible parents?
Am I slut, because I am a single mother?

 

[Luissa]

Elaborate?

Can't.

You wanna be on my friend list honey?

I really have no problem with you, you are a nice person, but you should really think about who you protect and align yourself with. I am not saying anymore.

 

[JBeukema]

I refuse to be part of a group that is all about hating on another part of society, because they were born a different gender, no matter the gender, male or female. Got it?

Men and women both are equally important.

but it is okay to hate on sluts who choose to have a child? Got it.

JB, I hear it is beneficial to have Pixie as a friend.

Just what are you getting at?

That sounds much like a very sexist and stereotypical attack against a female poster...

 

[JBeukema]

I wonder how they'd reconcile their insistence that I hate women with the fact that practically everyone I speak to is female.

I find it funny that Mad claims to be a feminist, but she doesn't know anything about 1st-wave feminism and thinks feminism means you have to be pro-abortion.

Your past posts speak for themselves.

Oh yes, yes they do...

By ' 21st century feminism' you mean 3rd wave feminazis and their descendents who spit on everything the real [First and Third wave] feminists stood for?

Because ' rejects gender privilege and demands real equality for men and women under the law. She makes her own choices and takes personal responsibility for them, without asking government for protection or tax dollars. ' describes the First and Second wavers and not a lot of the more recent groups who want to invert rather than abolish the system of oppression and inequality.

Sounds like the site is describing some sort of fourth wave that rejects the 3rd wave feminazis and embraces the real feminists who marched beside the rest of the civil rights movement, and waved the red flag.

Traditional feminists viewed themselves not a as a distinct movement but part of the overall leftist struggle for equality, embracing gender, racial, and class equality for all persons. They have traditionally marched besides socialists, communists, social democrats, democratic socialists, and others who opposed the exploitation or oppression of any given demographic or group of people. The First and Second Wavers were to be found among the likes of Helen Keller reading Marx, debating revolution versus reform, decrying the ill effects of nationalism, and aiding the unions in organizing their protests to further the labour movement here and abroad.

The feminists later became a distinct movement, as did some elements of the racial-equality movement. Both groups then suffered a series of schisms, as the more extremists wings [the revolutionary groups, communists, separatists, and those such as the 3rd wavers and the Al Sharptons who sought to inverse rather than abolish the system of oppression and exploitation] parted ways with more moderate parties [reformists, social democrats, progressives, and those who continued to struggle for true equal].

Unfortunately, the more extremist views took hold in much of academia and some legislation [the matter more so, however, in the race-based movements that with the feminist movement], which has been quite detrimental to the credibility of the movement as a whole and has arguably been quite counterproductive as of late, due in large part to the resulting backlash.

A woman is there to give birth

kindly go **** yourself

Most men are not in the position to choose their women, it goes like this: Declaring interest and woman decides. Not everyone is a Ricky Martin, and if you become a bit older things do anyway get complicated.

She decides whether she's interested and you decide whether you're interested in. In a society where the sexes are equal, relationships are a two-way street.

That you speak of taking anything you can get says more about yourself than anything else.

Life is about reproduction.

For some. For others, that's not what beings true joy and contentment. Life is about what makes one happy.

This sovereignity in choosing the partner is feminism enough

Right... forget about equal pay equal work, suffrage, or when we finally outlawed spousal rape some forty years ago

Do go **** yourself

 

[George Costanza]

Is she somehow offended if a man opens a door for her

She should - if she is thirty or forty feet away at the time . . .

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I have the same problem with feminism as many other groups that seek "equality".
Trouble is, it isn't really equality they are after - but a leg up like everyone else wants.

Does a "real" feminist support the broad advantages of "women owned business"?
Which is right in line with affirmative action, an unconstitutional policy whereby you directly disadvantage one group in an effort to remove an assumed disadvantage of another.

Answer?

 

[Si modo]

Femnazi: That term used to piss me off. I consider myself a feminist. I have considered myself one since I was a child. Now, I totally understand what it means.

I don't need any crutch of being a 'poor, oppressed woman so give her special rights and accommodations' to succeed at anything. I don't WANT that as I can stand on my own and don't want anyone to marginalize my accomplishments based on some crutch. I just want the playing field to be even. That's all I need.

When the umps favor one team, there is no sweetness of victory. There may even be reason for appeal.

 

[JBeukema]

I always pictured you as a guy for some reason, Si

 

[Si modo]

I always pictured you as a guy for some reason, Si

(Yes, I saw in the other thread that you were surprised that I am a woman.) Many assume I am a male, so your assumption is pretty normal. In fact, when I first came to USMB, I did not reveal my gender to anyone (my pals knew, though). And, after I did post something that made it pretty clear what my gender is, I still do not reveal it that much.

It is too easy for the non-thinkers to marginalize women posters based on their gender.

I doubt you and I agree on every aspect of feminism, but I see that you have a solid foundation in the second wave and it's good to know men get it, too.

 

[JW Frogen]

I am drunk as a two faced snake at the bottom of Tequilas bottle right now, so take this with a grain of salt (it tastes better that way) but for me feminism is simple.

So simple I forgot it.

Oh yes, equal pay and equality under the law, but we are not the same.

Nor should we be.

Great sex is all about the mystery of our differences.

I think that is what I want to say.

I am really on a big bender and no word I type these days seems to have any magic..

Though I swear, drunk or not it will always have truth as I see it.

I have not lost that yet.

 

[JW Frogen]

Mind you all words are shit.

This is all about what we do.

 

[Si modo]

I am drunk as a two faced snake at the bottom of Tequilas bottle right now, so take this with a grain of salt (it tastes better that way) but for me feminism is simple.

So simple I forgot it.

Oh yes, equal pay and equality under the law, but we are not the same.

Nor should we be.

Great sex is all about the mystery of our differences.

I think that is what I want to say.

I am really on a big bender and no word I type these days seems to have any magic..

Though I swear, drunk or not it will always have truth as I see it.

I have not lost that yet.

I agree. In some areas there is just no equality because of basic biology. It is in those instances when laws must be carefully considered to ensure that they provide as fair a shake as possible in our regulations/laws/policies without compromising the spirit of the circumstances.

 

[Cecilie1200]

JB, the day has not dawned when I will allow some man to bully me into feeling I dun satisfy the standards of feminism. You think women who oppose their own civil rights and those of the children they bear are the "only true feminists"?

Who gives a ****. You are wrong, but seriously.

Who gives a ****.

But it's okay for YOU to bully other women by declaring that those who disagree with you "oppose their own civil rights and those of their children"? Nice double standard. Or is it just that having a vagina makes it okay to bully women?

And by the way, if you're such a feminist, why are you always running and hiding behind the powder puff with this whole "you're a man, you don't get a say, you're bullying me by expressing an opinion" routine? Why are you so thin-skinned and intimidated by having to hear men talk? Sounds more like a victimist than a feminist.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Still have issues if reward someone like JB, especially for that post.
But I am not surprised.

Yes, my issues are that of intellectually dishonesty for the simple sake of a gender..I have an issue with that. I happen to hate when people cannot see the forest for the trees. Open your eyes and you will see just how moronic is is to tow a gender related line just for the sake of power over another

You have shown in the past you do not care how a man treats a woman. You have repeatedly take the side of men who treat women badly, or say bullshit like JB has. You can turn your back on your gender all you want, but it says a lot about you.

So apparently, being a "real feminist" involves defining for all women what they should think and believe, what "civil rights" they should want and feel are important, and indeed, what "their gender" is, and then bullying and berating women who dare to think independently of what they've been told they should be and want.

And here was me, thinking that feminism was about giving women the freedom to think and choose and believe for themselves. Where was my head?