Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Wait..where does it say that? Didn't you all just say a president's pardon is unquestionable?

It says, in law, that corruption, etc. (taking money for a pardon, e.g.) is a no no.

You did not know that. For instance, if Trump murders someone on the Avenue and bribes for a pardon, it is invalid.

 

[Modern Messiah]

It does not matter. Nixon got blanket immunity. It changed nothing.

This will not affect either president's pardons.

A pardon is granted for a particular crime.
Immunity is when you are no longer subject to the the laws.
Two different things.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

A pardon is granted for a particular crime.
Immunity is when you are no longer subject to the the laws.
Two different things.

No one respect this opinion, because it is clear you do not understand what you are talking about. You make no sense.

 

[Modern Messiah]

No one respect this opinion, because it is clear you do not understand what you are talking about. You make no sense.

Pardons are for people who have committed a crime.
Immunity is when you are no longer subject to the laws.
These are simple concepts.
Do try to keep up.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Pardons are for people who have committed a crime.
Immunity is when you are no longer subject to the laws.
These are simple concepts.
Do try to keep up.

You don't understand, so off you go.

 

[Nostra]

If true, she needs to spend the rest of her life in prison.

 

[ThisIsMe]

It says, in law, that corruption, etc. (taking money for a pardon, e.g.) is a no no.

You did not know that. For instance, if Trump murders someone on the Avenue and bribes for a pardon, it is invalid.

Really? Show me that article. Because the cotus says all offenses, except for impeachment.

I see no mention of ethics interfering with a pardon. Why are you all making up conditions for one but ignoring them for another?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Really? Show me that article. Because the cotus says all offenses, except for impeachment.

I see no mention of ethics interfering with a pardon. Why are you all making up conditions for one but ignoring them for another?

Look it up, because you will just deny it. Now you are arguing the other side after making up conditions for this and birthright citizenship denial and other things.

You are simply goofy. Your beliefs are not facts.

 

[BluesLegend]

Biden: I knew about and approved all the pardons.

Trump: Which pardons?

Biden: The pardons you clown.

Trump: Name one.

Biden: Ah...uh...(mumbles) anyway.

Trump: (laughs)

 

[BluesLegend]

Biden: You can't come after me I was pardoned?

By whom?

Biden: The secretary of pardons.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Look it up, because you will just deny it. Now you are arguing the other side after making up conditions for this and birthright citizenship denial and other things.

You are simply goofy. Your beliefs are not facts.

Why should I look it up? It's your assertion.....YOU post it lol.

I'm not the one making up conditions. The only argument I've made is that a pardon is only for offensed already committed...which marener linked a law website that agrees with me. The rest of it is just using your arguments against you all. It's you who wants to change things and put conditions on it. You say "well, the cotus doesn't say a crime has to be known"..ok, then I say " the cotus doesn't say a pardon can't be for a future crime".

My stance has been solid the whole time.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Why should I look it up? It's your assertion.....YOU post it lol.

I'm not the one making up conditions. The only argument I've made is that a pardon is only for offensed already committed...which marener linked a law website that agrees with me. The rest of it is just using your arguments against you all. It's you who wants to change things and put conditions on it. You say "well, the cotus doesn't say a crime has to be known"..ok, then I say " the cotus doesn't say a pardon can't be for a future crime".

My stance has been solid the whole time.

You simply think your goofy beliefs are factual.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You simply think your goofy beliefs are factual.

What, that a pardon can only be issued after a crime has been committed? That's factual. Marener posted a link confirming it.

Still, you claimed a pardon can be challenged on ethical grounds, do you have a link to prove that?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What, that a pardon can only be issued after a crime has been committed? That's factual. Marener posted a link confirming it.

Still, you claimed a pardon can be challenged on ethical grounds, do you have a link to prove that?

You keep repeating your belief which is not fact. You have nothing in law to support your point.

Once again, I am asking for it. This was your assertion, so it is your burden of proof.

If you can't do it, you lose.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You keep repeating your belief which is not fact. You have nothing in law to support your point.

Once again, I am asking for it. This was your assertion, so it is your burden of proof.

If you can't do it, you lose.

I just gave you an article that one of you leftys posted...does that not work for you?

There is no law cited as the cotus doesn't specify, and yes it has been used in that fashion before, but:

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constitution.findlaw.com

The U.S. Constitution endows the president with the power to pardon individuals convicted of federal offenses.

Frequently Asked Questions

www.justice.gov

It would be unusual, but there have been a few cases where people who had not been charged with a crime were pardoned

These suggest that using a pardon for people who haven't been convicted has happened, it's rare. I'll also add that with the exception of the blanket pardon of Nixon, all the other ones appear to have at least had a crime attached to them.

Overall, the suggestion is that a crime must have been committed


Look at the language of the pardon clause:

and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

What is a reprieve ?

to delay the punishment of (someone, such as a condemned prisoner)

To delay the punishment..a punishment only comes from someone who has committed a crime. The clause is to be understood that a pardon comes AFTER the crime. So, the link Marener posted, is correct, as I also mentioned.

Now, you keep moving away from your assertion that a pardon can be challenged on ethical grounds. Do you have a link to prove that?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Everyone understands that a pardon is supposed to be granted AFTER guilt of a crime is established and the defendant is ready to serve out his/her sentence. It is NOT supposed to be blanket immunity from prosecution because reasons and feelz, the way Quid Pro Joe did it.

So much wrong and assumed information in that post, you should be ashamed.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What, that a pardon can only be issued after a crime has been committed? That's factual. Marener posted a link confirming it.

Still, you claimed a pardon can be challenged on ethical grounds, do you have a link to prove that?

Where does it state that in the Constitution?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

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Since you are unable to make out the word “Donald” or “Trump”
This is not a legal signature

I can.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He was pardoned solely for issues related to Watergate and his illicit attempts to gain an advantage in his reelection

That's not what is written in the pardon, is it?