Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[ThisIsMe]

Trump will be investigated most thoroughly when the time comes.

There will be no point, since, according to you all, a president can issue preemptive pardons, in the remaining weeks of his presidency, trump can issue a pardon for himself and everyone else who he decides, for any and all crimes that he or anyone else may or may not have committed.

 

[ThisIsMe]

In cases of ethics, corruption, etc, Congress can investigate a Pardon.

Wait..where does it say that? Didn't you all just say a president's pardon is unquestionable?

 

[Lesh]

One is to be PARDONED for being PROSECUTED.
Not FROM being prosecuted.
That's called IMMUNITY, and THAT'S not prescribed by the Constitution.
GTFOH

See Nixon

 

[ThisIsMe]

Who are you to say how it works? Nothing in the constitution says otherwise.

I didn't say how it works, YOU posted a link that shows how it works...

Also, if were going to the words of the cotus alone, then nothing there says he can't issue pardons for future crimes.

 

[Care4all]

so you are suggesting a president can issue a pardon on the premise that a crime MIGHT have been committed? That's not how it works.

Technically, if there was no crime to pardon, then his pardon was invalid and ineffective the moment he issued it. In other words, there is no pardon, according to the law. So, if they investigate later and find a crime, there is no pardon in place to cover them since the original pardon wasn't valid.

Nope. And there has never been a Presidential pardon, invalidated.

Nixon was pardoned for his unknown crimes, that he may or may not have committed, as well.

In the case of the Bidens, the pardons in Joe's mind, was to save his family, from the time, and expense costs for attorneys to defend against Trump's own personal Revenge and Retribution campaign that he promised would take place, using unlimited tax payer resource and dollars....to attack them and make their lives miserable.

 

[Marener]

I didn't say how it works, YOU posted a link that shows how it works...

Also, if we’re going to the words of the cotus alone, then nothing there says he can't issue pardons for future crimes.

I don’t know what what link you think I posted that says anything other sort.

The word “pardon” has a definition, so the constitution doesn’t say anything of the sort.

You’re just going through mental gymnastics. You say the crime doesn’t exist so the pardon is invalid and then you say you can magically create a crime, bring it into existence, in order to prosecute people who were pardoned. You’re trying to have it both ways. Either the crime exists or it doesn’t. An investigation and identification doesn’t change that.

 

[SeaMajor7]

See Nixon

Nope. Not the same thing by a mile. Nixon's crimes were known, not some phantom mystery to be solved.
Not only that, but his pardon was more symbolic than necessary.
Right up there with turkeys being pardoned for Thanksgiving.
This BULLSHIT has to go to the SCOTUS.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Nope. And there has never been a Presidential pardon, invalidated.

Nixon was pardoned for his unknown crimes, that he may or may not have committed, as well.

In the case of the Bidens, the pardons in Joe's mind, was to save his family, from the time, and expense costs for attorneys to defend against Trump's own personal Revenge and Retribution campaign that he promised would take place, using unlimited tax payer resource and dollars....to attack them and make their lives miserable.

And you think that using the power of the pardon to prevent people from being investigated is a legitimate use?

Again, from the law website that marener posted, a pardon can only be issued if a crime has been committed.

If you all believe this, then there is no limit on the power to pardon. Trump should just issue a pardon right now for any and all crimes in the past, as well as any crimes one may or may not commit in the future.

Everyone wants to say that the pardon power is untouchable and that the cotus doesn't say this or that, until you bring up the question of future pardons..then they're like ...oh no..you can't do THAT! Then I say, show me in the cotus where it says you can't do that..

 

[ThisIsMe]

I don’t know what what link you think I posted that says anything other sort.

The word “pardon” has a definition, so the constitution doesn’t say anything of the sort.

You’re just going through mental gymnastics. You say the crime doesn’t exist so the pardon is invalid and then you say you can magically create a crime, bring it into existence, in order to prosecute people who were pardoned. You’re trying to have it both ways. Either the crime exists or it doesn’t. An investigation and identification doesn’t change that.

What do you mean you don't know..YOU posted the link...

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Post in thread 'Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?' Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment.”

It extends to any offense known to law and may It may be exercised anytime AFTER its commission

 

[Marener]

What do you mean you don't know..YOU posted the link...

Yes. That link says that preemptive pardons have been used and are valid.

It extends to any offense known to law and may It may be exercised anytime AFTER its commission

As you can see, this clearly means that a pardon cannot be used to pardon a crime BEFORE its commission. This isn't complicated but you're having a hard time getting around your preconceived position.

 

[Lesh]

Nope. Not the same thing by a mile. Nixon's crimes were known, not some phantom mystery to be solved.
Not only that, but his pardon was more symbolic than necessary.
Right up there with turkeys being pardoned for Thanksgiving.
This BULLSHIT has to go to the SCOTUS.

Nonsense. He could have been prosecuted for any numbers of things NOT known at the time.

The pardon prevented that

 

[SeaMajor7]

Nonsense. He could have been prosecuted for any numbers of things NOT known at the time.

The pardon prevented that

This goes light-years beyond Nixon and would be a terrible precedent. It cannot stand.

 

[Lesh]

This goes light-years beyond Nixon and would be a terrible precedent. It cannot stand.

Whether “Nixon” is terrible precedent or not is irrelevant.

It IS precedent

 

[Nostra]

Nope. And there has never been a Presidential pardon, invalidated.

Nixon was pardoned for his unknown crimes, that he may or may not have committed, as well.

In the case of the Bidens, the pardons in Joe's mind, was to save his family, from the time, and expense costs for attorneys to defend against Trump's own personal Revenge and Retribution campaign that he promised would take place, using unlimited tax payer resource and dollars....to attack them and make their lives miserable.

Quote him making this promise.

 

[Nostra]

I don’t know what what link you think I posted that says anything other sort.

The word “pardon” has a definition, so the constitution doesn’t say anything of the sort.

You’re just going through mental gymnastics. You say the crime doesn’t exist so the pardon is invalid and then you say you can magically create a crime, bring it into existence, in order to prosecute people who were pardoned. You’re trying to have it both ways. Either the crime exists or it doesn’t. An investigation and identification doesn’t change that.

What crime was the pardons for. Either they exist or they don’t.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

And there has never been a Presidential pardon, invalidated.

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Prove it.




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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Quote him making this promise.

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You will never get such a thing from one so famous for going when confronted.


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[Cellblock2429]

Auto pen not to be used for mental impairment
Broken hand-fine
Broken mind and not present-Illegal

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[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes it does matter because they are two different things.
Blanket immunity is blanket immunity.
A pardon is a pardon.
Go look it up

It does not matter. Nixon got blanket immunity. It changed nothing.

This will not affect either president's pardons.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There will be no point, since, according to you all, a president can issue preemptive pardons, in the remaining weeks of his presidency, trump can issue a pardon for himself and everyone else who he decides, for any and all crimes that he or anyone else may or may not have committed.

It will not be about pardons. The state cases can be raised again on the private matters.