House oversight committee claims some of Biden’s autopen pardons are invalid

[Zincwarrior]

How could they be valid if old mental impaired Joe didn't actually sign them? Congress people are supposed to be smart but if they can't find the one who signed the pardons they are freaking idiots.

Do you routinely just ignore a dozen posts? Its not required by the Constitution. They were authorized by him and executed.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The answer would seem to be to simply proceed with any warranted prosecution of an allegedly “pardoned” individual and let the defendant then interpose the alleged pardon as a defense to being prosecuted.

It will be entertained by the trial (District) court very early on. Supposing that the trial court says, “the case is dismissed because the defendant had been ‘pardoned,’” then the Government would have to take an appeal.

Assuming the appeal falls on deaf ears at the circuit court (which sure seems likely), the next appeal would most likely be to the SCOTUS.

Who knows what the SCOTUS might then determine? Clearly, this would be very much a case “of first impression.”

But, I suspect this is the only route available to find out if a demented President’s issuance of a Presidential “pardon” by way of an autopen is to be given any weight by the judicial system.

SCOTUS HAS NO AUTHORITY HERE

 

[Doc7505]

Huh? Where does any law, say that? The auto pen, is the president's signature, under our laws....

An autopen is a mechanical device that replicates a person's signature. It allows for quick signing of documents without the direct involvement of the individual. While autopens can be useful for routine tasks, their use for signing legally binding documents, such as presidential pardons and bills, raises questions about legality and authenticity.

 

[Rawley]

The Presidential Pardon is an ABSOLUTE grant of power provided by the Constitution, as evidenced by Trump and the January 6th terrorists. The report is worth less than nothing and the DOJ CAN DO NOTHING.

While I firmly believe the Pardon power should not be granted to the Executive, it is.

The issue is whether Biden granted those pardons or issued that executive order, or did someone else in the WH with access to the autopen have the machine sign the pardons/EOs without the requisite intent by Biden.

Those pardons or executive actions can clearly be challenged. They would most likely have to be invalidated by a court.

 

[Rawley]

SCOTUS HAS NO AUTHORITY HERE

Huh?

 

[BackAgain]

SCOTUS HAS NO AUTHORITY HERE

Don’t be silly. It would be a perfectly valid legal issue for them to grant cert on.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Don’t be silly. It would be a perfectly valid legal issue for them to grant cert on.

Nope.

 

[BackAgain]

Nope.

Yep.

In fact, I’m very curious what makes you imagine that this wouldn’t qualify as a valid Constitutional case or controversy upon which the SCOTUS could grant cert.

A dispute over whether a presidential pardon (and specifically, one executed via autopen) is valid under Article II, Section 2 clearly arises under the Constitution. Thus, it falls within the Supreme Court’s constitutional jurisdiction.

See Article III, Sec. 2. which explicitly grants the Supreme Court jurisdiction over “all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, [and] the Laws of the United States.”

 

[Nostra]

The Constitution doesn’t even require that the pardon be written, so the idea that the signature is by autopen rather than by handwritten signature is not relevant to the constitutionality because Article II just says that the President has the power to pardon. Shit you can ask Biden today if he pardoned them.

Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Listen Nostradumbass... You are a dumbass.

The Constitution doesn’t specifically say anything MUST be written down. Even laws.

 

[Nostra]

Fauci killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Most prolific serial killer in history.

BAT SOUP?

Millions.

 

[Care4all]

An autopen is a mechanical device that replicates a person's signature. It allows for quick signing of documents without the direct involvement of the individual. While autopens can be useful for routine tasks, their use for signing legally binding documents, such as presidential pardons and bills, raises questions about legality and authenticity.

But the rules are : auto pen, is legally the president's signature?

 

[candycorn]

House Oversight Committee deems some of Biden’s autopen orders ‘invalid,’ asks DOJ to investigate

The findings come after a monthslong probe into the Biden administration’s use of an autopen for executive decisions and pardons.

justthenews.com

“The House Oversight Committee on Tuesday published its final report on its investigation into the Biden’s administration’s use of an autopen, concluding that at least some of the president’s orders were invalid and calling on the Justice Department to investigate.”

This is not a big surprise. Blanket autopen pardons are a joke. The man was too senile to run for a 2 nd term…yet his autopen blanket pardons are considered VALID?

Signing Legal Documents with Dementia: Family Guide

Learn how dementia affects legal capacity, when a senior can still sign documents, and what families need to know about protecting rights and making decisions.

seniorsafetyadvice.com

• Capacity Is Key: Signing is valid only if the person understands what the document means at the time.
• Fluctuating Ability: Dementia affects cognition differently day to day, capacity must be assessed in the moment.
• Types of Documents: Contracts, wills, or powers of attorney require varying levels of legal understanding.
• Professional Evaluation: Doctors, attorneys, or notaries may need to confirm decision-making capacity.
• Legal Challenges: Documents signed without proper capacity can be contested or invalidated later.
• Plan Early: Setting up powers of attorney, trusts, and advance directives early reduces risk of disputes.

Those autopen blanket pardons are a joke and should all be invalidated.

Yeah, well let us know how it turns out. I suspect there will be no updates in our future.

 

[candycorn]

You'd think that this would behoove We The People to eliminate the Presidential pardon; not because of this latest pearl clutching but because the pardon has become something that is used to either insulate someone from unfit future Presidents or as political payback to persons who "took the bullet" for the President.

We still need pardons. The system can and often does get it wrong. But the Presidential pardon needs to go. Replace it by a 3 judge panel of the Supreme Court--the 2nd, 8th, and 4th most senior justice. Once a year (or sooner in special circumstances), they conference and consider pardons. Thats it.

 

[Care4all]

What's the issue? Biden said he approved them...and no one did hanky panky behind his back.

Comer, is just being Comer....

 

[TemplarKormac]

House Oversight Committee deems some of Biden’s autopen orders ‘invalid,’ asks DOJ to investigate

The findings come after a monthslong probe into the Biden administration’s use of an autopen for executive decisions and pardons.

justthenews.com

“The House Oversight Committee on Tuesday published its final report on its investigation into the Biden’s administration’s use of an autopen, concluding that at least some of the president’s orders were invalid and calling on the Justice Department to investigate.”

This is not a big surprise. Blanket autopen pardons are a joke. The man was too senile to run for a 2 nd term…yet his autopen blanket pardons are considered VALID?

Signing Legal Documents with Dementia: Family Guide

Learn how dementia affects legal capacity, when a senior can still sign documents, and what families need to know about protecting rights and making decisions.

seniorsafetyadvice.com

• Capacity Is Key: Signing is valid only if the person understands what the document means at the time.
• Fluctuating Ability: Dementia affects cognition differently day to day, capacity must be assessed in the moment.
• Types of Documents: Contracts, wills, or powers of attorney require varying levels of legal understanding.
• Professional Evaluation: Doctors, attorneys, or notaries may need to confirm decision-making capacity.
• Legal Challenges: Documents signed without proper capacity can be contested or invalidated later.
• Plan Early: Setting up powers of attorney, trusts, and advance directives early reduces risk of disputes.

Those autopen blanket pardons are a joke and should all be invalidated.

They can claim all they want. But it won't mean hell-all until it's tried in a court setting. Get ta' steppin' boys and girls! This symbolicism doesn't accomplish anything unless you're willing to finish it.

 

[TemplarKormac]

What's the issue? Biden said he approved them...and no one did hanky panky behind his back.

Comer, is just being Comer....

He can say anything he wants, Biden, but that doesn't make it true.

 

[Care4all]

He can say anything he wants, Biden, but that doesn't make it true.

It doesn't matter...the president said it was true, said he approved them and that's, that...what the president says, goes....when it comes to the Constitution and President's power.....

There is nothing prohibiting the President from pardoning anyone out there, with or without a signature, and we the people, can't do a darn thing about it...

Shouldn't Comer be investigating something relevant, happening now? Like Trump's son making billions off of Trump's presidency with foreign govts and leaders and domestic billionaires as we speak?

 

[TemplarKormac]

It doesn't matter...the president said it was true, said he approved them and that's, that...what the president says, goes....when it comes to the Constitution and President's power.....

There is nothing prohibiting the President from pardoning anyone out there, with or without a signature, and we the people, can't do a darn thing about it...

Shouldn't Comer be investigating something relevant, happening now? Like Trump's son making billions off of Trump's presidency with foreign govts and leaders as we speak?

I cannot alleviate your delusions. No point in arguing ad nauseam about it.

 

[Montrovant]

That was also unconstitutional, and probably cost Ford the 1976 election.

Quite possibly cost him the election. I disagree about it being unconstitutional. I think the constitution gives presidents extremely broad power when it comes to pardons.

 

[JohnDB]

After watching the depositions and what was blatantly admitted to....
(As if they didn't know it was wrong)

These staffers manipulated, strong armed, and basically performed Elder Abuse on Biden. When Biden, tired from the harrassment, gave lip service to whatever they were promoting, left the conversations that these staffers then took as license to do whatever and using the Autopen to perform.....completely without presidential authority.

The list of culprits is long and convoluted. Anita Dunn, and many others were guilty. Donilon too controlled just about everything.

Dunn was worried extensively about her shrinking career reputation....which motivated her to abuse the autopen. The two Chief of staffs as well. Its insane that they continued this farse as long as they did. They all have serious mental health issues that most psychologists refuse to treat involving narcissistic behaviors. I was shocked and appalled at their testimonies. That they could do this....

What's worse was the minority members on the committee.....they refused to go on the record for even worse reasons. (Incompetence, and finding out how to go about it precisely again should they find the opportunity)


Here's the link if you wish to watch the depositions.

The Biden Autopen Presidency: Decline, Delusion, and Deception in the White House - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

oversight.house.gov