Are all of Biden’s pardons that were autopenned signed INVALID?

[ThisIsMe]

Yes he did. There are more than a few examples, but one comes to mind is Steve Bannon who was pending trial and not convicted.

I agree the pardon of bannon was aggregious. The pardon power shouldn't be used unless it's crimes against the united states.

I forgot about him. Ok, I see your point. So, I'll agree the pardon has been used for people who haven't been convicted, though I don't agree that's how it's supposed to be used, but i can't argue the fact that it has been. Though bannons pardon was not open ended. It was for a specific reason. Also while trump pardoned bannon, it was specified, not an "any and all" sort of pardon

So then, if that power is legitimate in that way, then trump can use it for the same purpose, right?

 

[Marener]

I agree the pardon of bannon was aggregious. The pardon power shouldn't be used unless it's crimes against the united states.

I forgot about him. Ok, I see your point. So, I'll agree the pardon has been used for people who haven't been convicted, though I don't agree that's how it's supposed to be used, but i can't argue the fact that it has been.

So then, if that power is legitimate in that way, then trump can use it for the same purpose, right?

No one ever suggested he couldn’t make a preemptive pardon for anyone and I doubt he ever thought he couldn’t.

Do you think Trump can revoke a pardon? He thinks he can.

 

[ThisIsMe]

None of the pardons issued by Trump nor Biden are "open-ended".

Bidens are open ended. He is pardoning someone who hasn't even been charged yet

 

[Modern Messiah]

Because a pardon is for an offense, not for a conviction.

How can a president take away a pardon from a previous president?

What offences did the Jan 6 committee commit?
What offences did fauci, schiff and hunter commit?

 

[ThisIsMe]

No one ever suggested he couldn’t make a preemptive pardon for anyone and I doubt he ever thought he couldn’t.

Do you think Trump can revoke a pardon? He thinks he can.

That's the question. Did biden know he was pardoning them, or was it someone else who did it and signed it, and then told biden about it later?

 

[Marener]

What offences did the Jan 6 committee commit?
What offences did fauci, schiff and hunter commit?

I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.

 

[Marener]

That's the question. Did biden know he was pardoning them, or was it someone else who did it and signed it, and then told biden about it later?

Trump wasn’t asking a question. He declared the pardons invalid.

 

[bendog]

Sedition Act of 1798 up next? lol

 

[imawhosure]

You know, I think the whole pardon thing is awful...........but I do wonder-------> you do NOT have to be convicted of ANYTHING to lose your a** in a civil suit. Look at OJ and others. The bar is set much lower, and it does not need a unanimous decision for the person to lose.

May not be able to put them in jail, but we sure could clean them out and make their lives miserable. All they have to do is find someone who was adversely affected by the actions some of these people did, and those people DEMAND compensation in a court of law.......filing the action of course in Alabama, hehehehehehe.

I am 100% sure that you could find a plaintiff for Hunter, and probably Shifty-Shiff too!

 

[Marener]

I am 100% sure that you could find a plaintiff for Hunter, and probably Shifty-Shiff too!

Who could you find that has a case against anyone that was pardoned?

 

[Modern Messiah]

I don’t know. It doesn’t matter.

So tater head pre-emptivly pardoned many people such as jan 6 committee, fauci, schiff, and hunter and old cornpop can't even explain why
Ya, that sounds legit

 

[Marener]

So tater head pre-emptivly pardoned many people such as jan 6 committee, fauci, schiff, and hunter and old cornpop can't even explain why
Ya, that sounds legit

You asked me, not Biden.

But I do know it doesn’t matter. One reason that presidents pardon people is because they were falsely prosecuted and never committed any crime.

 

[Nostra]

Who cares?

You do, Simp. You brought it up.

What a clown.

 

[Nostra]

Yes. Because it demonstrates you’re all intellectually bankrupt.

No, it demonstrates you have squat, Moroner.

 

[ThisIsMe]

That’s a risk you take by giving a pardon. It the authors wanted to constrain the pardon, they could have.

Your opinion about what the pardon should be doesn’t change what the constitution says.

But see, I think the cotus actually defines it for us. It says pardoned for "offenses committed against the United States"...that pretty much implies that someone has committed an offense and the way they determine the offense was committed is by trial and conviction.

Until you are convicted, you have not been adjudicated to have committed an offense, only alleged that you did.

I think the text actually spells it out

 

[Marener]

You do, Simp. You brought it up.

What a clown.

No, I don’t care. But obviously you do because you asked.

 

[Modern Messiah]

You asked me, not Biden.

But I do know it doesn’t matter. One reason that presidents pardon people is because they were falsely prosecuted and never committed any crime.

Pardons are for criminals
What crimes did jan 6 committee commit.
What offences did fauci schiff, cheney and hunter commit?
Your putting the cart before the horse.
Can't have a pardon without the crime.

 

[bendog]

Sedition Act of 1798 up next? lol

oh shit. Thomas Jefferson used one too.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Trump wasn’t asking a question. He declared the pardons invalid.

His statement seems to indicate that biden didn't know about it...at least at the time.

Certainly it needs to be looked into.

 

[Concerned American]

It’s defined. Any and all offenses. That’s the definition.

So you are admitting that they did, in fact, commit chargeable offenses. Thanks for that hypocrite.

The simple question you don’t answer is where the constitution says the president has to sign a pardon.

What is required, by the constitution, from the POTUS to enact a law? That's right. A SIGNATURE. That seems to be the requirement for law. Stands to reason it would carry to any LAWFUL ORDER that the POTUS would put in place. When you twist yourself out of that pretzel, it may become clear.