AOC said bombing Iran was unconstitutional. Is she right?

[gipper]

All one has to do is look to one of the Founders, Jefferson, never got a declaration of war from Congress for the Barbary Wars


Throughout history Presidents, from Jefferson to Obama, have used the military without first getting a declaration of war. Not every military action is war.

Not entirely correct and Iran hasn’t attacked the US. So your point is ignorant and meaningless.

Maybe you think since Iran retaliated against your nation of Israel, you consider that an attack on the US. Am I right?

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Yes, Jefferson did eventually get Congressional approval for military action against the Barbary pirates, but it wasn't a declaration of war. Initially, he authorized naval forces to protect American ships, and Congress later passed an act in 1802 supporting these efforts. This act authorized the use of force to protect American commerce and seamen in the Mediterranean. While Jefferson's initial actions were defensive, Congress's subsequent authorization solidified their support for the ongoing conflict.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Initial Defensive Measures:
  As Secretary of State, Jefferson had long advocated for a strong stance against Barbary piracy. Upon becoming President, he authorized naval forces to blockade Tripoli and attack any interfering Barbary ships, viewing these actions as purely defensive measures.
  
  
• Congressional Authorization:
  While these initial actions were taken without explicit Congressional approval, Jefferson later sought and received Congressional support. In 1802, Congress passed "An act for the protection of commerce and seamen of the United States against the Tripolitan cruisers," authorizing the President to use the armed vessels of the United States to protect commerce and seamen, according to the U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center (.gov). This act, while not a declaration of war, provided the legal and financial backing for the ongoing naval operations against the Barbary pirates.

 

[hadit]

Not according to constitutional experts. The potus is limited to using the military without congressional support only if an attack is made on the homeland or is imminent. He has no authority to attack any nation.

Justin Amash is an expert and has written extensively on this issue.

It sounds like Congress then has a solemn duty to hold every living president liable for the American lives and wealth lost to their attacks on other nations.

Of course, we won't do that, because this is only aimed at Orange Man.

 

[pknopp]

Kind of late to be doing that now, don't you think? Are we going to hold all the other presidents liable for the American lives they cost with their attacks on other nations, not bothering to get Congressional approval?

I believe there will be a special place in Hell for them.

The answer to that, in case anyone is wondering, is an emphatic NO! This only applies to Orange Man, because reasons, and feelz.

He couldn't be prosecuted for actions taken before legislation was enacted to rescind Congress's mistakes,

 

[gipper]

Kind of late to be doing that now, don't you think? Are we going to hold all the other presidents liable for the American lives they cost with their attacks on other nations, not bothering to get Congressional approval?

The answer to that, in case anyone is wondering, is an emphatic NO! This only applies to Orange Man, because reasons, and feelz.

Are you asserting since past presidents have broken the law, it’s okay for Trump to break the law?

 

[hadit]

I believe there will be a special place in Hell for them.





He couldn't be prosecuted for actions taken before legislation was enacted to rescind Congress's mistakes,

They're already trying to impeach him for doing this. Like I said, no other president will face any kind of accounting for military actions they undertook, only Orange Man.

 

[hadit]

Are you asserting since past presidents have broken the law, it’s okay for Trump to break the law?

I'm asserting that special effort will be taken to ensure only Orange Man faces any kind of accounting for taking military action. Obama, for instance, will face nothing for bombing Libya. Only Orange Man, because Bad.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No. The President wasn't declaring war, but acting as the Commander-in-Chief of all US Armed forces and reacting to what he considers a threat to national security. AOC is a complete dumbass and has no idea what the Constitution says.

Says whatever Trump wants it to say, apparently.

 

[pknopp]

They're already trying to impeach him for doing this.

It went nowhere.

Like I said, no other president will face any kind of accounting for military actions they undertook, only Orange Man.

Are Democrats hypocritical? Absolutely. Do we need to put a stop to this? Absolutely.

Sadly when the Democrats have the numbers again they will do nothing.

Why do you support all of this?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

It is a right and it is right to ask these kinds of questions. This is America. But these questions raise another question: Why did we not ask these questions in the past when other presidents did basically the same thing?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Some day a future historian will write a paper on how it was that so many people were brainwashed.

And they'll cite YOU.

 

[22lcidw]

It’s obvious to me. Americans are the most propagandized people on the planet. Some of us can overlook a lifetime of propaganda and some never do.

There is a "fatigue "to that. We have a world that really would want us to have a King. And then we have the constitution which we have abused. The dictators in waiting still have to get around it. Politics has gotten gruesome in the last 15/20 years. Voting groups are publicly smeared and even destroyed now. Large powerful government causes this.

 

[struth]

Not entirely correct and Iran hasn’t attacked the US. So your point is ignorant and meaningless.

Maybe you think since Iran retaliated against your nation of Israel, you consider that an attack on the US. Am I right?

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Yes, Jefferson did eventually get Congressional approval for military action against the Barbary pirates, but it wasn't a declaration of war. Initially, he authorized naval forces to protect American ships, and Congress later passed an act in 1802 supporting these efforts. This act authorized the use of force to protect American commerce and seamen in the Mediterranean. While Jefferson's initial actions were defensive, Congress's subsequent authorization solidified their support for the ongoing conflict.

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Initial Defensive Measures:
  As Secretary of State, Jefferson had long advocated for a strong stance against Barbary piracy. Upon becoming President, he authorized naval forces to blockade Tripoli and attack any interfering Barbary ships, viewing these actions as purely defensive measures.
  
  
• Congressional Authorization:
  While these initial actions were taken without explicit Congressional approval, Jefferson later sought and received Congressional support. In 1802, Congress passed "An act for the protection of commerce and seamen of the United States against the Tripolitan cruisers," authorizing the President to use the armed vessels of the United States to protect commerce and seamen, according to the U.S. Capitol - Visitor Center (.gov). This act, while not a declaration of war, provided the legal and financial backing for the ongoing naval operations against the Barbary pirates.

Iran has attacked the United States numerous times since 1979

Iranian and Iranian-Backed Attacks Against Americans (1979-Present)

Since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, the clerical regime in Tehran and its proxies have committed a range of attacks against Americans. This memorandum provides select documentation of these assaults. While...

www.fdd.org

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I doubt she's ever read the Constitution and if she did she wouldn't understand it

 

[pknopp]

I doubt she's ever read the Constitution and if she did she wouldn't understand it

Suppose she understand what Habeas Corpus is?

 

[hadit]

It went nowhere.




Are Democrats hypocritical? Absolutely. Do we need to put a stop to this? Absolutely.

Sadly when the Democrats have the numbers again they will do nothing.

Why do you support all of this?

Who said I'm supporting anything? I'm pointing out a few things:

1. Yes, absolutely the democrats are MASSIVE hypocrites in this situation and seem totally unaware that the American populace is fully capable of finding things they uttered just a few short years ago. They apparently believe their rabid sycophants will believe whatever they are told today. Heck, who am I kidding? They do believe it and line up, clapping their flippers and honking their horns, based on what I see on this board.
2. Presidents and Congress have been doing military action all wrong for quite some time now. W, at least, obtained Congressional approval before Iraq, but no declaration of war. Congress has dropped the ball, being unwilling to stop an operation once it gets started, and presidents know they have the green light because of that. Congress is happy blaming the president when things go wrong because they can claim they were not involved but should be.

Now, why is it that lamo's on debate boards equate pointing out problems with a position with supporting an opposite position? I would prefer that our military not be placed in harm's way without agreement between the executive and legislative branches. I do understand, however, that Congressional democrats cannot be trusted to keep their traps shut if they are briefed BEFORE action is taken and there is a high probability that the intended target(s) will be notified long before anything happens to them.

Another point, why does it take Orange Man Bad for Congress (and democrat sycophant in the wild) to suddenly discover they have a responsibility in this whole thing?

 

[struth]

Suppose she understand what Habeas Corpus is?

Doubtful,

 

[Harry Dresden]

Fox News? Oh please. Do you not know it is entirely a propagandist organ for the state?

The number one terrorist state in the world is obviously the US government closely followed by Israel.

why do so many want to live here?...

 

[pknopp]

Who said I'm supporting anything? I'm pointing out a few things:

1. Yes, absolutely the democrats are MASSIVE hypocrites in this situation and seem totally unaware that the American populace is fully capable of finding things they uttered just a few short years ago. They apparently believe their rabid sycophants will believe whatever they are told today. Heck, who am I kidding? They do believe it and line up, clapping their flippers and honking their horns, based on what I see on this board.
2. Presidents and Congress have been doing military action all wrong for quite some time now. W, at least, obtained Congressional approval before Iraq, but no declaration of war. Congress has dropped the ball, being unwilling to stop an operation once it gets started, and presidents know they have the green light because of that. Congress is happy blaming the president when things go wrong because they can claim they were not involved but should be.

Now, why is it that lamo's on debate boards equate pointing out problems with a position with supporting an opposite position? I would prefer that our military not be placed in harm's way without agreement between the executive and legislative branches. I do understand, however, that Congressional democrats cannot be trusted to keep their traps shut if they are briefed BEFORE action is taken and there is a high probability that the intended target(s) will be notified long before anything happens to them.

Another point, why does it take Orange Man Bad for Congress (and democrat sycophant in the wild) to suddenly discover they have a responsibility in this whole thing?

For the same reason Republicans will swallow the trillions in debt in the BBB.

 

[pknopp]

Doubtful,

So she would have a lot of company in that.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Some day a future historian will write a paper on how it was that so many people were brainwashed.

how do we know you are not brainwashed?....just asking....