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Does anyone really want to discuss education? Not rehashing one dead horse talking point endlessly, or decrying all teachers as monsters? Unions tend toward sucking, ALL racism is bad, and every profession has some nut jobs working in it. Ok? Do we have that out of the way now? Anyone interested in really discussing methodologies, challenges, teaching/learning experiences, or possible changes? We have established by now that some people are advocates for home schooling, vouchers, or charter schools. Some people want cameras surgically implanted in all teachers, rigged to explode if a parent sitting on the sofa at home sees something she doesn't like. Got it? Now, how about discussing education?
 

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Anyone interested in really discussing methodologies, challenges, teaching/learning experiences, or possible changes?

Full return of education to the private sector marketplace...Anything less is just polishing a turd.

 

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I think standardized tests are a racket that really ties the hands of a lot of good teachers. I think more teachers need more control over their own classrooms, and I also think the pay should go up so more gifted people will be attracted to the profession. Some people just aren't willing to work that hard for 45k/yr. Teaching well is hard and it takes a lot of energy. It's also one of the most important jobs in any civilized society.
 

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Anyone interested in really discussing methodologies, challenges, teaching/learning experiences, or possible changes?

Full return of education to the private sector marketplace...Anything less is just polishing a turd.

Bush and Trump were excellent representatives of private schooling and they were little short of knowledge but they knew how to lie to get elected.
 
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Anyone interested in really discussing methodologies, challenges, teaching/learning experiences, or possible changes?

Full return of education to the private sector marketplace...Anything less is just polishing a turd.

So, the poor receive no education? You can imagine all of the problems that would cause for society, right?
 

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Ya post this:

Does anyone really want to discuss education? Not rehashing one dead horse talking point endlessly, or decrying all teachers as monsters? Unions tend toward sucking, ALL racism is bad, and every profession has some nut jobs working in it. Ok? Do we have that out of the way now? Anyone interested in really discussing methodologies, challenges, teaching/learning experiences, or possible changes?


then you post this:

We have established by now that some people are advocates for home schooling, vouchers, or charter schools. Some people want cameras surgically implanted in all teachers, rigged to explode if a parent sitting on the sofa at home sees something she doesn't like.

which totally takes all the seriousness out of your initial parameters. LOL surrrrrre you wanna talk education.
 

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Full return of education to the private sector
You are advocating for the abolishment of public schooling. Do you have any idea how devastating that would be to our country?
 
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I think standardized tests are a racket that really ties the hands of a lot of good teachers. I think more teachers need more control over their own classrooms, and I also think the pay should go up so more gifted people will be attracted to the profession. Some people just aren't willing to work that hard for 45k/yr. Teaching well is hard and it takes a lot of energy. It's also one of the most important jobs in any civilized society.
The biggest problem with standardized tests is the proliferation of them over the decades. Certain parts of the year are all but consumed by test after test. Teachers hate that. On the other hand, we must have some method of tracking student progress over time, and if every class, every school, every district in a state is using a different test there is no clear way to compare performance over time and location.
 

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Teachers hate that.
So do the students, and everybody performs more poorly when everybody is unhappy with a situation.
On the other hand, we must have some method of tracking student progress over time, and if every class, every school, every district in a state is using a different test there is no clear way to compare performance over time and location.
Clearly we're out of balance right now though. It needs to shift in the direction of teachers having more freedom and control. As you seem to be very much aware, the testing has gone too far.
 

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Scare tactics aren't an argument.
You would be removing the only opportunity millions of people have to get educated, and particularly poor people/minorities. Crime and chaos would get a lot worse in a society like that. The tragedy of people never realizing their potential would explode exponentially. What you want should never and will never happen.
 
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Yes.




Scare tactics aren't an argument.
You can't see the potential problems involved in having a very large population of uneducated youths in the country? Economically? Socially? Politically?
 

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You would be removing the only opportunity millions of people have to get educated, and particularly poor people/minorities. Crime and chaos would get a lot worse in a society like that.
Millions aren't getting educated right now, despite this "opportunity" you speak of.

You have no evidence that the dire circumstance that you envision would come to pass....None whatsoever.
 

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Millions aren't getting educated right now, despite this "opportunity" you speak of.
Schools could be a lot better, but you're nuts if you think they're doing nothing for people. They teach many people to read and do basic arithmetic, two critically important skills in the world today. Our society would be much worse off without the opportunities provided by public schools. The education they offer is a hell of a lot better than no education.
 
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So do the students, and everybody performs more poorly when everybody is unhappy with a situation.

Clearly we're out of balance right now though. It needs to shift in the direction of teachers having more freedom and control. As you seem to be very much aware, the testing has gone too far.
Sounds good but as a teacher, a reliable way of tracking student progress is also essential.
 
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You have no evidence that the dire circumstance that you envision would come to pass....None whatsoever.
Are you saying you don't believe there would be any adverse consequences? Really?
 

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You can't see the potential problems involved in having a very large population of uneducated youths in the country? Economically? Socially? Politically?
I see the problems involved in having a very large population of uneducated youths in the country every day......Ever handed $5.06 to a cashier who is under age 40, for an item that cost $3. 81?

The current pre-industrial revolution of "education" is a towering failure, and all its proponents can do is try to scaremonger into maintianing the status quo....And don't try to peddle me any bullshit about "reform"....That's a non-starter with the current framework of educrats running the current shit show.
 

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