Another young woman falls victim to GOP abortion laws. RIP

[Cougarbear]

The Brookings Institute says otherwise.

Abortion in the US: What you need to know | Brookings

Abortion will be one of the most impactful issues of the 2024 election. This primer is designed to cover most of the facts you need to know.

www.brookings.edu

It says 1 in 4 women. At most, 25%. Other articles say about 20-22% in any year. That still sucks. Genocide for sure.

 

[Cougarbear]

Oh God… save us from the zealots

Save us from the Satanists who use unborn babies as their sacrifices to their gods of gold and silver.

 

[JoeB131]

Fetus are babies. The Lord said he knew Jeremiah before he was born. Life is precious. You abortionists are bullies of the worst kind. Beat up and kill babies because they stifle your life styles and gods of gold and silver.

Ah, I was wondering how long it would take you to go to the religious crazy.

Okay, since we want to do Bible Quotes.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. Exodus 21:22-23

The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.

And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver. Leviticus 27:6

Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.

Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them. And Moses numbered them according to the word of the LORD. Numbers 3:15

And the LORD said unto Moses, Number all the firstborn of the males of the children of Israel from a month old and upward, and take the number of their names. Numbers 3:40

God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Numbers 31:15-17 (Some of the non-virgin women must have been pregnant. They would have been killed along with their unborn fetuses.)

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. Hosea 9"16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16

God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. 2 Samuel 12:14

God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ... And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. Numbers 5:21-88

God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.

Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. Genesis 38:24

The Psalmist prays that his enemies are aborted.

Let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun Psalm 58:8

What The Bible says about Abortion

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

 

[Grumblenuts]

I miscarried in Texas. My doctors put abortion law first

The pain is so blinding that I think I'm hallucinating. After Dobbs, lawyers, not women's lives, are now the overriding concern.

www.newsweek.com

 

[initforme]

Save us from the Satanists who use unborn babies as their sacrifices to their gods of gold and silver.

So why aren't you encouraging young people to not have kids? That's necessary today.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Fetus are babies.

"Fetus" is singular, whereas "babies" is clearly plural.

 

[Cougarbear]

Ah, I was wondering how long it would take you to go to the religious crazy.

Okay, since we want to do Bible Quotes.

Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.


The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.


Fetuses and infants less than one month old are not considered persons.


God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.


God sometimes kills newborn babies to punish their parents.


God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.


God's law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.


The Psalmist prays that his enemies are aborted.

What The Bible says about Abortion

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

If one of your opinions on a particular scripture is hypocritical or incorrect, the rest would be too. "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished..." Note, "will be surely punished for causing a miscarriage abortion. OOPS!!! You blew that one!

The law concerning an infant more than a month old but less than 5 years old, does this mean there is no value in a child more than 5 years old? Of course not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You should know this. You are trying to say there is value for an unborn from Exodus but not any value from birth to one month? Come one. Think McFly, Think!

To save time, you do know there is a New Testament with new laws and commandments. And, in my case, the Lord has come to the earth again giving new laws and commandments that are in our latter day scriptures. This includes the higher law that was not included in the Old Testament. Much is in the New Testament but ignored by most Christians. In any event, to kill an unborn for any reason that doesn't include the health of the mother, rape or incest, is murder.

 

[Cougarbear]

So why aren't you encouraging young people to not have kids? That's necessary today.

I do. Do you? We teach abstinence before marriage and wise judgment during marriage. We teach that part of our being here is to learn to control our bodies, parts and appetites and keep the within the bounds the Lord has set, not man.

 

[Cougarbear]

"Fetus" is singular, whereas "babies" is clearly plural.

Feti then

 

[initforme]

I do. Do you? We teach abstinence before marriage and wise judgment during marriage. We teach that part of our being here is to learn to control our bodies, parts and appetites and keep the within the bounds the Lord has set, not man.

And that it's brave courageous and moral to not ever have children?

 

[Cougarbear]

And that it's brave courageous and moral to not ever have children?

Never said that. So, is that what you believe? I believe we were sent here to multiply and replenish the earth. There are cases where some my feel a real need not to have children. Such as carrying a gene that would invite a child with skitzophrenia or some disease like this.

 

[initforme]

Never said that. So, is that what you believe? I believe we were sent here to multiply and replenish the earth. There are cases where some my feel a real need not to have children. Such as carrying a gene that would invite a child with skitzophrenia or some disease like this.

As a Christian I do not believe it's our duty to replenish the earth. It's our duty to work, save, and enjoy retirement if that's what people want. Have kids only if you are very wealthy and can pay for their needs. We have a declining birth rate supposedly so things are looking up.

 

[Cougarbear]

As a Christian I do not believe it's our duty to replenish the earth. It's our duty to work, save, and enjoy retirement if that's what people want. Have kids only if you are very wealthy and can pay for their needs. We have a declining birth rate supposedly so things are looking up.

You are not Christian. Family means nothing to you and that is not Christian. The NT is based on the OT starting with the origin of life and what God commandment mankind to do. Any Christian would not put work, money and wealth in front of family.

 

[initforme]

You are not Christian. Family means nothing to you and that is not Christian. The NT is based on the OT starting with the origin of life and what God commandment mankind to do. Any Christian would not put work, money and wealth in front of family.

I guarantee i am. Lifelong. Still worship in the same church I was confirmed in. How is one supposed to raise a family without wealth? Do you really honestly expect people to work full-time and raise a family? Those days are slowly leaving as more youngbcouples go childless by choice. It's not a bad thing though. Times have changed.

 

[Cougarbear]

I guarantee i am. Lifelong. Still worship in the same church I was confirmed in. How is one supposed to raise a family without wealth? Do you really honestly expect people to work full-time and raise a family? Those days are slowly leaving as more youngbcouples go childless by choice. It's not a bad thing though. Times have changed.

It's not a good thing at all. There is something called social security and medicare in which it's the young that keep the two going. If we aren't producing enough children, then eventually the two collapse much like an illegal pyramid scheme. So, you were confirmed in a Church. What Church is this?

 

[initforme]

A Lutheran church in Wisconsin. Same town i was born in. Elca synod. Church council 4 stints during my adult life. My kids were coming firmed there as well. Why do you ask?

 

[JoeB131]

If one of your opinions on a particular scripture is hypocritical or incorrect, the rest would be too. "If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished..." Note, "will be surely punished for causing a miscarriage abortion. OOPS!!! You blew that one!

Except the bible doesn't say that. It says that he will only pay a fine for causing a miscarriage. A ******* FINE. He would only be severely punished if the woman died.

The law concerning an infant more than a month old but less than 5 years old, does this mean there is no value in a child more than 5 years old? Of course not. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You should know this. You are trying to say there is value for an unborn from Exodus but not any value from birth to one month? Come one. Think McFly, Think!

The unborn weren't counted at all. The reason they didn't count babies under a month is because when you had an infant mortality rate of 50%, there wasn't any reason to bother. And that's the problem. Up until the last century, infant mortality rates were incredibly high, so women had to pump out six babies to maybe get two that would make it to adulthood. An Extreme Case would be Queen Anne of England, who had 17 pregnancies and not a one of them lived long enough to be an heir. heck, they didn't even give most of them names, because those people didn't consider fetuses to be people. And this was someone with the best care the time period had to offer.

Anne, Queen of Great Britain - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

To save time, you do know there is a New Testament with new laws and commandments. And, in my case, the Lord has come to the earth again giving new laws and commandments that are in our latter day scriptures. This includes the higher law that was not included in the Old Testament. Much is in the New Testament but ignored by most Christians. In any event, to kill an unborn for any reason that doesn't include the health of the mother, rape or incest, is murder.

Please point out one verse in the NT that specifically prohibits abortion. Thanks.

 

[Cougarbear]

Except the bible doesn't say that. It says that he will only pay a fine for causing a miscarriage. A ******* FINE. He would only be severely punished if the woman died.



The unborn weren't counted at all. The reason they didn't count babies under a month is because when you had an infant mortality rate of 50%, there wasn't any reason to bother. And that's the problem. Up until the last century, infant mortality rates were incredibly high, so women had to pump out six babies to maybe get two that would make it to adulthood. An Extreme Case would be Queen Anne of England, who had 17 pregnancies and not a one of them lived long enough to be an heir. heck, they didn't even give most of them names, because those people didn't consider fetuses to be people. And this was someone with the best care the time period had to offer.

Anne, Queen of Great Britain - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Please point out one verse in the NT that specifically prohibits abortion. Thanks.

Didn’t give the punishment with the verse you shared and I responded to. You were wrong.
The worth of a soul isn’t based on being counted. The right to life isn’t based on being counted. Infant mortality has nothing to do with the worth of a soul. Good grief. You don’t even understand the debate.

 

[JoeB131]

Didn’t give the punishment with the verse you shared and I responded to. You were wrong.

Didn't have to, the verse only called for a punishment if the woman died, not if the fetus died.

The worth of a soul isn’t based on being counted. The right to life isn’t based on being counted. Infant mortality has nothing to do with the worth of a soul. Good grief. You don’t even understand the debate.

The debate is perfectly understandable. The Hebrews didn't consider fetuses to be people. They also didn't get terribly attached to infants because infant mortality was so high.

I see you also avoided the "God's Magic Abortion Potion" verse in Numbers. The one where the priests induced miscarriages in women suspected of adultery.

 

[Cougarbear]

Didn't have to, the verse only called for a punishment if the woman died, not if the fetus died.



The debate is perfectly understandable. The Hebrews didn't consider fetuses to be people. They also didn't get terribly attached to infants because infant mortality was so high.

I see you also avoided the "God's Magic Abortion Potion" verse in Numbers. The one where the priests induced miscarriages in women suspected of adultery.

If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life. Exodus 21:22-23
Nope! Nothing about the woman dying. Just the baby dying.

That is not correct. Hebrews did consider a fetus a person. Like today, unborn person. And, how do you know the parents didn't suffer when they lost an infant child? We can read from modern history where miscarriages and still born children happened with regularity and how the women and men felt. The loss was great.

Ya, that would be one of the requirements back in those days. Jesus even explained how bad adultery is. Next to murder as he put it. So, that would be similar to incest and rape. The Lord doesn't agree with those who say no abortion for any reason. Biblically that would be wrong.

The miracles of God are only miracles because he is far beyond our intelligence and abilities to control the universe he organized. We simply don't understand them so some people call them magic. I choose the world miracle.