Another young woman falls victim to GOP abortion laws. RIP

[JoeB131]

Nope! Nothing about the woman dying. Just the baby dying.

It said nothing of the sort. First and foremost, you have to understand the actual translation.

The Message Bible
22 "When there's a fight and in the fight a pregnant woman is hit so that she miscarries but is not otherwise hurt, the one responsible has to pay whatever the husband demands in compensation.

New Revised Standard
22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.

The Bible in Basic English
22 If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.

Keep in mind, this is the fucking Bronze Age. No one was going to rush that kid to the NICU.

That is not correct. Hebrews did consider a fetus a person. Like today, unborn person. And, how do you know the parents didn't suffer when they lost an infant child? We can read from modern history where miscarriages and still born children happened with regularity and how the women and men felt. The loss was great.

Um, not really. In fact, when God killed David and Bethsheba's son, David just moved on like it was no big deal.

18 On the seventh day the child died. David’s attendants were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they thought, “While the child was still living, he wouldn’t listen to us when we spoke to him. How can we now tell him the child is dead? He may do something desperate.”

19 David noticed that his attendants were whispering among themselves, and he realized the child was dead. “Is the child dead?” he asked.

“Yes,” they replied, “he is dead.”

20 Then David got up from the ground. After he had washed, put on lotions and changed his clothes, he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. Then he went to his own house, and at his request they served him food, and he ate.

21 His attendants asked him, “Why are you acting this way? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept, but now that the child is dead, you get up and eat!”

22 He answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

24 Then David comforted his wife Bathsheba, and he went to her and made love to her. She gave birth to a son, and they named him Solomon. The Lord loved him; 25 and because the Lord loved him, he sent word through Nathan the prophet to name him Jedidiah.[c]

Ya, that would be one of the requirements back in those days. Jesus even explained how bad adultery is. Next to murder as he put it. So, that would be similar to incest and rape. The Lord doesn't agree with those who say no abortion for any reason. Biblically that would be wrong.

Again, point out a specific verse where Jesus condemns abortion. Thanks.

The miracles of God are only miracles because he is far beyond our intelligence and abilities to control the universe he organized. We simply don't understand them so some people call them magic. I choose the world miracle.

Okay, except miracles aren't really a thing.

 

[Cougarbear]

It said nothing of the sort. First and foremost, you have to understand the actual translation.

The Message Bible
22 "When there's a fight and in the fight a pregnant woman is hit so that she miscarries but is not otherwise hurt, the one responsible has to pay whatever the husband demands in compensation.

New Revised Standard
22 When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.

The Bible in Basic English
22 If men, while fighting, do damage to a woman with child, causing the loss of the child, but no other evil comes to her, the man will have to make payment up to the amount fixed by her husband, in agreement with the decision of the judges.

Keep in mind, this is the fucking Bronze Age. No one was going to rush that kid to the NICU.



Um, not really. In fact, when God killed David and Bethsheba's son, David just moved on like it was no big deal.

18 On the seventh day the child died. David’s attendants were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they thought, “While the child was still living, he wouldn’t listen to us when we spoke to him. How can we now tell him the child is dead? He may do something desperate.”

19 David noticed that his attendants were whispering among themselves, and he realized the child was dead. “Is the child dead?” he asked.

“Yes,” they replied, “he is dead.”

20 Then David got up from the ground. After he had washed, put on lotions and changed his clothes, he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. Then he went to his own house, and at his request they served him food, and he ate.

21 His attendants asked him, “Why are you acting this way? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept, but now that the child is dead, you get up and eat!”

22 He answered, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept. I thought, ‘Who knows? The Lord may be gracious to me and let the child live.’ 23 But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

24 Then David comforted his wife Bathsheba, and he went to her and made love to her. She gave birth to a son, and they named him Solomon. The Lord loved him; 25 and because the Lord loved him, he sent word through Nathan the prophet to name him Jedidiah.[c]



Again, point out a specific verse where Jesus condemns abortion. Thanks.



Okay, except miracles aren't really a thing.

Oh stop with your actual translation. There are many bibles with different translations on key doctrinal points. That's why a Prophet is needed in these the last days to give all people a chance. I've taken the message and follow the only true Prophets today. The message is clear. It was about the man killing the baby, not the mother.

 

[JoeB131]

Oh stop with your actual translation. There are many bibles with different translations on key doctrinal points. That's why a Prophet is needed in these the last days to give all people a chance. I've taken the message and follow the only true Prophets today. The message is clear. It was about the man killing the baby, not the mother.

No, what we need is to stop looking for a book of Bronze Age superstitions for guidance and look to science and reason. Or a book written by a 19th scam artist who wanted to fuck teenage girls.

The prophets of your cult run a big corporation and take more guidance from spreadsheets than God.

"Ohhh, the US won't let Utah into the Union unless we outlaw Polygamy! God says Polygamy is bad now!"

"Oooh, the US won't let us have tax deductions if we don't allow black people in. God says that dark skin isn't a curse from God anymore!!"

So let's check the original Hebrew.

Exodus 21:22 Hebrew Text Analysis

 

[Cougarbear]

No, what we need is to stop looking for a book of Bronze Age superstitions for guidance and look to science and reason. Or a book written by a 19th scam artist who wanted to fuck teenage girls.

The prophets of your cult run a big corporation and take more guidance from spreadsheets than God.

"Ohhh, the US won't let Utah into the Union unless we outlaw Polygamy! God says Polygamy is bad now!"

"Oooh, the US won't let us have tax deductions if we don't allow black people in. God says that dark skin isn't a curse from God anymore!!"

So let's check the original Hebrew.

Exodus 21:22 Hebrew Text Analysis

Science isn't settled and never will be. When you read any scientific publication on the universe, earth mankind, you always see in every paragraph fuzzy words like, "may be", could be..." and so on. Science isn't fact either. Just look at the stupid confusion on what a woman is. How many pronouns do people have? The Scriptures are clear and precise, man and woman. He and she...

The original Hebrew is also opinion on what they meant anciently and what is meant today. People have their own prejudices when they start translating. So, what you have is scripture and then you have interpretation of scripture.

So, you always have to trash talk which takes away any legitimacy in your arguments. Of course the Church is incorporated. Why wouldn't it be? There are two parts to the Church, the religious side and the business side. Why do you think we can build so many Temples and Churches around the world. Jesus said take the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. How do you do that if you don't have the money. Tithing is used for Church religious work. The business helps with the expansion and administration of the Church. Are you a coveter of our success? Shame on you.

You want to go down the polygamy road? Really? When you approve of all manner of evil practices and evil speaking of the Lord. You think it's okay for men to marry men and women, women. You probably don't care about beastiality either. So, why are you against a man being married to more than one woman? By the way, who says Polygamy is bad now? We simply don't need to participate in this anymore. In 1890, most members were in Utah and it was decided by the people they wanted to be part of the U.S. So, they had to drop polygamy at the time. There is no reason for it today.

There's no doubt that the question of slavery was a question for many decades. Prophets and Apostles bring the word of God to the people through visions and dreams. But, that is few and far between, if any. Prophets and Apostles are men. They are humans and have their own opinions. There was never an acceptance in Church doctrine concerning blacks except for the period of time they were not allowed the Priesthood. The reasons sited were many. None of which were ever given by God to the Prophets or Apostles. That includes what the curse Cain was given. Finally, a Prophet was called that truly wanted the answer. If he got the answer, it has not been shared with general Church members. Bruce R. McConkie said all the reason he gave or anyone had were all wrong after President Kimball, the Prophet, gave the word of God to allow all worthy men be conferred the Priesthood. That was in 1978. We can drop that.

 

[JoeB131]

Science isn't settled and never will be. When you read any scientific publication on the universe, earth mankind, you always see in every paragraph fuzzy words like, "may be", could be..." and so on. Science isn't fact either. Just look at the stupid confusion on what a woman is. How many pronouns do people have? The Scriptures are clear and precise, man and woman. He and she...

Right, according to Scripture, the Earth is flat and Pi is 3. Oh, and Bats are birds. And insects have four legs.

If you want to go there. I don't

The people who wrote the bible were BARBARIANS.

So, you always have to trash talk which takes away any legitimacy in your arguments. Of course the Church is incorporated. Why wouldn't it be? There are two parts to the Church, the religious side and the business side. Why do you think we can build so many Temples and Churches around the world. Jesus said take the Gospel to the four corners of the earth. How do you do that if you don't have the money. Tithing is used for Church religious work. The business helps with the expansion and administration of the Church. Are you a coveter of our success? Shame on you.

Naw, man, I don't respect people who scam people out of their hard earned money, and I apply that to all religions. Mormonism is a little worse because we KNOW Joseph Smith was a scam artist. He was convicted of fraud in NY in 1825.

You want to go down the polygamy road? Really? When you approve of all manner of evil practices and evil speaking of the Lord. You think it's okay for men to marry men and women, women. You probably don't care about beastiality either. So, why are you against a man being married to more than one woman? By the way, who says Polygamy is bad now? We simply don't need to participate in this anymore. In 1890, most members were in Utah and it was decided by the people they wanted to be part of the U.S. So, they had to drop polygamy at the time. There is no reason for it today.

Philosophically, I have no problem with polygamy. If everyone involved is a consenting adult, it's not a moral issue. I'd never do it. One wife is more than a handful for me.

What I find hypocritical is that you guys dropped polygamy, but tried to pretend it was by religious decree. Woodruff "talked with God" and now polygamy is out. So did Joseph Smith and Brigham Young (34 and 63 wives, respectively) get it wrong? Or were they just pervs who abused their position, and Woodruff was a guy who was trying to get a political benefit? That doesn't sound very holy to me. Woodruff of course, kept his 10 wives....it was just for the rest of you guys.

There's no doubt that the question of slavery was a question for many decades. Prophets and Apostles bring the word of God to the people through visions and dreams. But, that is few and far between, if any. Prophets and Apostles are men. They are humans and have their own opinions. There was never an acceptance in Church doctrine concerning blacks except for the period of time they were not allowed the Priesthood. The reasons sited were many. None of which were ever given by God to the Prophets or Apostles. That includes what the curse Cain was given. Finally, a Prophet was called that truly wanted the answer. If he got the answer, it has not been shared with general Church members. Bruce R. McConkie said all the reason he gave or anyone had were all wrong after President Kimball, the Prophet, gave the word of God to allow all worthy men be conferred the Priesthood. That was in 1978. We can drop that.

Um, yeah.

Or these guys were just making shit up to reflect their own views.

 

[Cougarbear]

Right, according to Scripture, the Earth is flat and Pi is 3. Oh, and Bats are birds. And insects have four legs.

If you want to go there. I don't

The people who wrote the bible were BARBARIANS.



Naw, man, I don't respect people who scam people out of their hard earned money, and I apply that to all religions. Mormonism is a little worse because we KNOW Joseph Smith was a scam artist. He was convicted of fraud in NY in 1825.



Philosophically, I have no problem with polygamy. If everyone involved is a consenting adult, it's not a moral issue. I'd never do it. One wife is more than a handful for me.

What I find hypocritical is that you guys dropped polygamy, but tried to pretend it was by religious decree. Woodruff "talked with God" and now polygamy is out. So did Joseph Smith and Brigham Young (34 and 63 wives, respectively) get it wrong? Or were they just pervs who abused their position, and Woodruff was a guy who was trying to get a political benefit? That doesn't sound very holy to me. Woodruff of course, kept his 10 wives....it was just for the rest of you guys.




Um, yeah.

Or these guys were just making shit up to reflect their own views.

You are really reaching for stuff now. No, the Bible never said Pi was exactly 3. Oh, like you, there are many who read the scriptures and miss translated them or don't understand what they are reading. Show me where the bible said exactly 3? I'm sure you will miss the word "AROUND!"

They had been slaves. So, does than mean Blacks who were freed were also barbarians? As we continue this, you seem to be stretching things because you don't understand them.

Try looking into the entire bank thing. If you actually study this, you will find there was no fraud. And, 1825, the Church had not been organized yet. You really are losing it. Trump Derangement Syndrome?

Agreed with you on polygamy...

No, Joseph Smith did not get it wrong. Because the Lord said to stop Polygamy for a time is not rejecting polygamy. It was more important for the Church to have a solid home from which to expand from. Utah was right at the time. So, President Woodruff went to the Lord to get approval as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Jesus Christ's Church. He's at the head of the Church. The CEO in our lingo. The Prophet is His President. Worked out well.

 

[JoeB131]

You are really reaching for stuff now. No, the Bible never said Pi was exactly 3. Oh, like you, there are many who read the scriptures and miss translated them or don't understand what they are reading. Show me where the bible said exactly 3? I'm sure you will miss the word "AROUND!"

1 Kings 7:23

They had been slaves. So, does than mean Blacks who were freed were also barbarians? As we continue this, you seem to be stretching things because you don't understand them.

I understand it perfectly well. It wasn't just slavery that was barbaric, it was stoning women for not being virgins, stoning people for picking up sticks on the sabbath, making women drink bitter water if they were accused of adultery,

Try looking into the entire bank thing. If you actually study this, you will find there was no fraud. And, 1825, the Church had not been organized yet. You really are losing it. Trump Derangement Syndrome?

I wasn't talking about the Kirtland Bank thing (which happened in Ohio and Smith fled the jurisdiction before he could be charged) I was talking about the selling of dousing rods in NY, for which he was convicted and fled the jurisdiction. Then he committed terrorism in Missouri, and fled the Jurisdiction. Then he came to Illinois and they just shot his ass. Good times.

Agreed with you on polygamy...

No, Joseph Smith did not get it wrong. Because the Lord said to stop Polygamy for a time is not rejecting polygamy. It was more important for the Church to have a solid home from which to expand from. Utah was right at the time. So, President Woodruff went to the Lord to get approval as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Jesus Christ's Church. He's at the head of the Church. The CEO in our lingo. The Prophet is His President. Worked out well.

Uh, the only reason for Polygamy was those cult leaders wanted to get some young pussy.

 

[Cougarbear]

1 Kings 7:23



I understand it perfectly well. It wasn't just slavery that was barbaric, it was stoning women for not being virgins, stoning people for picking up sticks on the sabbath, making women drink bitter water if they were accused of adultery,



I wasn't talking about the Kirtland Bank thing (which happened in Ohio and Smith fled the jurisdiction before he could be charged) I was talking about the selling of dousing rods in NY, for which he was convicted and fled the jurisdiction. Then he committed terrorism in Missouri, and fled the Jurisdiction. Then he came to Illinois and they just shot his ass. Good times.



Uh, the only reason for Polygamy was those cult leaders wanted to get some young pussy.

You have Trump Derangement Syndrome really bad grasping for straws and believing falsehoods.can’t read either.
Thirty cubits around and ten cubits across. Not three.

 

[JoeB131]

You have Trump Derangement Syndrome really bad grasping for straws and believing falsehoods.can’t read either.
Thirty cubits around and ten cubits across. Not three.

If you made a big circle like that, you'd have a gap because PI is 3.142.

But the Bible Boys didn't know this.

But to recap.

1) Fetuses aren't people, and they shouldn't have more rights than the women they are inside.
2) We shouldn't be using Bronze Age superstitions to run our lives.
3) Joseph Smith was a con artist and Mormons are Morons.

 

[Cougarbear]

If you made a big circle like that, you'd have a gap because PI is 3.142.

But the Bible Boys didn't know this.

But to recap.

1) Fetuses aren't people, and they shouldn't have more rights than the women they are inside.
2) We shouldn't be using Bronze Age superstitions to run our lives.
3) Joseph Smith was a con artist and Mormons are Morons.

How do you know they did not know this? Would it mater anyways? No. It was the Indiana legislature back in the 1800's that tried to get a bill passed to make Pi exactly 3. Not the ancient Israelites.
1. Fetuses are people and they should have more rights to be born than a woman selfishly killing it because of money or prestige of a job.
2. We should be using God in everything we do. His laws and commandments are for our benefit to have a more peaceful society and existence. It's when our pride causes societies fall that we eventually come to this understanding and start turning back towards God. I believe this election is showing this.
3. Joseph Smith was God's prophet for one purpose, to open this last dispensation of the fullness of times. He did so, not perfectly. But, he and you are not perfect. He and you don't have to be perfect. But, the Gospel today is now fulfilled in The Book of Mormon. The other books of scripture are for us today for our benefit and directions in these the last days before the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[JoeB131]

How do you know they did not know this? Would it mater anyways? No. It was the Indiana legislature back in the 1800's that tried to get a bill passed to make Pi exactly 3. Not the ancient Israelites.

Indiana shows what happens when you replace math and science with superstition.

1. Fetuses are people and they should have more rights to be born than a woman selfishly killing it because of money or prestige of a job.

Or because it was put in there as a result of rape?
Or if it's going to horribly deformed when it is born
or if it causing sepsis and some idiots won't remove it until it's heart stops beating.

Come on, guy, get real. This is what happens when you give globby more rights than the woman it's inside.

2. We should be using God in everything we do. His laws and commandments are for our benefit to have a more peaceful society and existence. It's when our pride causes societies fall that we eventually come to this understanding and start turning back towards God. I believe this election is showing this.

No, election shows people are kind of stupid that 50% of them were too racist and misogynistic to reject a president most of them know is unfit for the job.

Popular bumper sticker in the future- "Don't blame me, I voted for Harris".

On a more serious note, the problem with basing your society on the wishes of an imaginary sky pixie is that you guys can't agree amongst yourselves what that sky pixie wants. One of the more absurd moments of the 2008 election was Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney actually arguing over whether or not Jesus and Satan are brothers. To me, this is just as absurd as arguing over whether Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are brothers. But you God-Botherers have a long history of murdering each other over such silly arguments.

3. Joseph Smith was God's prophet for one purpose, to open this last dispensation of the fullness of times. He did so, not perfectly. But, he and you are not perfect. He and you don't have to be perfect. But, the Gospel today is now fulfilled in The Book of Mormon. The other books of scripture are for us today for our benefit and directions in these the last days before the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Wow, guy, you are truly indoctrinated into a cult, aren't you? Who's a good little cultist? You are. You are.

So have we found the ruins of those ancient Lamanite and Nephite cities yet?

 

[Cougarbear]

Indiana shows what happens when you replace math and science with superstition.



Or because it was put in there as a result of rape?
Or if it's going to horribly deformed when it is born
or if it causing sepsis and some idiots won't remove it until it's heart stops beating.

Come on, guy, get real. This is what happens when you give globby more rights than the woman it's inside.



No, election shows people are kind of stupid that 50% of them were too racist and misogynistic to reject a president most of them know is unfit for the job.

Popular bumper sticker in the future- "Don't blame me, I voted for Harris".

On a more serious note, the problem with basing your society on the wishes of an imaginary sky pixie is that you guys can't agree amongst yourselves what that sky pixie wants. One of the more absurd moments of the 2008 election was Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney actually arguing over whether or not Jesus and Satan are brothers. To me, this is just as absurd as arguing over whether Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are brothers. But you God-Botherers have a long history of murdering each other over such silly arguments.



Wow, guy, you are truly indoctrinated into a cult, aren't you? Who's a good little cultist? You are. You are.

So have we found the ruins of those ancient Lamanite and Nephite cities yet?

No, it shows that back in those days, politicians weren't educated like we are today.

There are a little over 1 million killings of babies before they are born because of the rights of deadly murderous women. See, just like with homicides, there are justifiable homicides that make sense. Unfortunately, too many women (99%) are unjustified homicides. What are justifiable is up to each state and it's people. That's how the Constitution works if the Constitution doesn't specifically say anything about it. It is the state's rights to decide. But, one woman in Texas dies while a million babies die, no justification and rationalization can save you.

I thought you Democrat liberals were all for majority rules? When you lose, you have to resort to unjustifiable name calling. Most Democrats are accepting the vote. But, not you on the far left. No! You have to try and create division.

Your continual attack on religion is why the Founders started with the Bill of Rights and put free exercise of religion first. Because there were buttheads like yourself who would attempt to take faith in Christ away from people knowing that it would also tank the new Government.

Yes, we have found many of those ruins. But you are so into the long history over murdering unborn babies. Atheistism is a cult. Democrats have taken atheistism to be their religion and made government their god.

 

[JoeB131]

No, it shows that back in those days, politicians weren't educated like we are today.

Um, given the ignorance I see coming from Republican politicians, I doubt that.

There are a little over 1 million killings of babies before they are born because of the rights of deadly murderous women. See, just like with homicides, there are justifiable homicides that make sense. Unfortunately, too many women (99%) are unjustified homicides. What are justifiable is up to each state and it's people. That's how the Constitution works if the Constitution doesn't specifically say anything about it. It is the state's rights to decide. But, one woman in Texas dies while a million babies die, no justification and rationalization can save you.

Fetuses aren't babies. We don't count fetuses on the census, we don't count fetuses as tax deductions. If you truly believed Fetuses were people, you'd be demanding a nation-wide ban on abortion (and I am sure there are schemes right not to make that happen.)

I thought you Democrat liberals were all for majority rules? When you lose, you have to resort to unjustifiable name calling. Most Democrats are accepting the vote. But, not you on the far left. No! You have to try and create division.

Nope. We are going to resist Trump, and he will fail. Deal with it. You clowns certainly didn't "accept" it when Obama was elected twice.

Your continual attack on religion is why the Founders started with the Bill of Rights and put free exercise of religion first. Because there were buttheads like yourself who would attempt to take faith in Christ away from people knowing that it would also tank the new Government.

Actually, you are a little confused. The Founders believed in separation of Church and State. They saw the fucking mess you have when every time you change rulers, you have to change religion.

Most of Europe is non-religious today, and they are better off for it. We need to follow their fine example. It's the 21st century. We don't need sky pixies.

Yes, we have found many of those ruins. But you are so into the long history over murdering unborn babies. Atheistism is a cult. Democrats have taken atheistism to be their religion and made government their god.

Really? Where are the Ruins of the civilizations described in the BOM. Come on, I'm sure you'll link to some BS LDS site claiming some pre-columbian civilization were the Nephites, and I'll point to real archeologists who will tell you who they really were.

No one is making government a god. Relationship with government should be transactional. You vote for who you want and you pay your taxes to get it.

Doesn't work that way, big money has too much influence. A system that would make someone like Trump president is truly broken.