Zone1 Another question to ponder

[TNHarley]

I'm am trying to get you on topic--to help you out of that rabbit hole you have dug for yourself. Come up out of the dirt and darkness. You might find joy in reality.

Ill just chalk this up as you dont have an answer and you are using deceitful tactics to change the topic.

 

[Meriweather]

So, many times during biblical debates, the argument "mistranslation" comes up.
So that begs the question.. if God created everything, how did he fail at creating a book that couldn't be mistranslated? You would think, since he is so prone to genociding non believers and their children, or sending them to hell, he would have made a book that couldn't be misconstrued. It wouldn't have had books left out by humans. It wouldn't have had verses changed. It wouldnt have 500 kabillion different versions that all say different things.
He can make the universe. He can make our solar system. He can make earth. He can make us. He can make plants survive without the sun. But he couldn't make a proper book?
It just doesn't make sense to me.
And on top of all that, in this little area of the earth, the only place he chose to show himself, had all the prophets, his son, he gave all these people visions etc. And he would know it was of no use, but he did it anyway? And expects us to believe in it or burn?
What a weird thing an all knowing creator would do.
Maybe someone has a good made up argument for this?

Does anyone have anything to say that is on topic, this morning?

1. It's not as much "mistranslation" as it is misinterpretation. When this is suspected seek out the etymology of the word in its original language. English is an evolving language, where the meanings of words change. ("Gay" is an easy example of this.)

2. God created man. Man, each with a unique perspective, recorded experiences of God in our midst.

3. It helps to read and remember the Bible in its entirety. To make the accusation of "genocide" one points to a specific passage and stops. Read on. That same community is recorded as being alive and well in future passages. The same with "hell", but with a difference. Some references of hell, are actually references to the Jerusalem city dump. Jesus spoke of salvation and God's wish for salvation for all three times more than any New Testament references to hell. The Old Testament has no record of God mentioning hell.

4. Again, God did not write the Bible. His presence in our midst inspired men to write the Bible.

5. It doesn't make sense to you because of that belief that it was God, instead of man, who wrote the Bible. Perhaps think of it in terms of Biography and Autobiography. Analogies always fail at some point, but the Bible is not God's autobiography, it is (among other things) a biography of God written by man.

6. Believe in the prophets or burn? Hardly. It's more on the order of believing the signs that warn of quick sand or riptide or suffer the consequences of not believing. The prophets pointed to the way of God to get to the desired destination. Some believed they had their own way, which they perceived as a better way (like a shortcut) to reach the desired outcome.

7. No argument, only an assessment. Kevin DeYoung put it this way:

You can think too highly of your interpretations of scripture, but you cannot think too highly of scriptures interpretation of itself. You can exaggerate your authority in handling the scripture,but you cannot exaggerate the scriptures authority to handle you. You can use the word of God to come to wrong conclusions, but you cannot find any wrong conclusions in the Word of God.


Finally, to quote JK Rowling:

Once again, you have put your keen and penetrating mind to the task and, as usual, have come to the wrong conclusions.

Come up out of that rabbit hole.

 

[Meriweather]

DUDE, you do the same freaking thing. You people just make stuff up, and if other people dont buy into it, you insult them. Its tiresome. And pathetic.

Actually, I return to the etymology of what was written by the original authors, of what the original authors were conveying to their original audiences. Nothing is made up, merely conveyed. I do my best to avoid insults, both in my life and here online. Where do you feel I have insulted you?

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually, I return to the etymology of what was written by the original authors, of what the original authors were conveying to their original audiences. Nothing is made up, merely conveyed. I do my best to avoid insults, both in my life and here online. Where do you feel I have insulted you?

He is correct when he says misinterpretation. Christians completely misinterpreted Genesis but I suspect it was intentional.

 

[Meriweather]

You dont know what it is
The royal we, also known as the majestic plural (Latin: pluralis majestatis) or royal plural, is the use of a plural pronoun (or corresponding plural-inflected verb forms) by one who is a monarch or high office holder to refer to oneself.
3 cant be one. Christianity defies simple logic and is a throwback to pagan polytheism. Catholics worship Mary as god and will pray to her idols.

Trinity explains parts of the whole. Go back to where I said you are made up of body, mind, and soul: Three parts but one you.

 

[Meriweather]

Ill just chalk this up as you dont have an answer and you are using deceitful tactics to change the topic.

Let's approach it differently. You tell me the answer you want. The elements of your OP have been discussed infinitely in this forum. Obviously they have been unsatisfactory. So let's try a different approach. Take your OP and give us the answers you have formulated.

 

[Meriweather]

He is correct when he says misinterpretation. Christians completely misinterpreted Genesis but I suspect it was intentional.

I wonder what he thinks of your personal interpretation....

 

[TNHarley]

It's not as much "mistranslation" as it is misinterpretation.

In the grand scheme, thats irrelevant.

To make the accusation of "genocide" one points to a specific passage and stops. Read on.

I know the context.

Again, God did not write the Bible.

Yes, I know.

It doesn't make sense to you because of that belief that it was God, instead of man, who wrote the Bible.

Of course, I dont believe that.

Believe in the prophets or burn? Hardly.

Thats not what I said.

 

[Hafar1014]

I wonder what he thinks of your personal interpretation....

My understanding comes from my knowledge of Hebrew language I learned in 4 years of Hebrew school, my Orthodox grandfather and the rabies who study the Pentateuch as well as an understanding of Jewish culture and idiomatic expressions. There is no original sin fall of man hell or devil in Genesis. Those concepts are 100% incompatible with Judaism.
Since Christianity is based on Jewish works I have every right to question its honesty and authenticity.
You have your own bible the NT I dont comment on that. But when you distort mine Im going to point that out

 

[Quantrill]

So, many times during biblical debates, the argument "mistranslation" comes up.
So that begs the question.. if God created everything, how did he fail at creating a book that couldn't be mistranslated? You would think, since he is so prone to genociding non believers and their children, or sending them to hell, he would have made a book that couldn't be misconstrued. It wouldn't have had books left out by humans. It wouldn't have had verses changed. It wouldnt have 500 kabillion different versions that all say different things.
He can make the universe. He can make our solar system. He can make earth. He can make us. He can make plants survive without the sun. But he couldn't make a proper book?
It just doesn't make sense to me.
And on top of all that, in this little area of the earth, the only place he chose to show himself, had all the prophets, his son, he gave all these people visions etc. And he would know it was of no use, but he did it anyway? And expects us to believe in it or burn?
What a weird thing an all knowing creator would do.
Maybe someone has a good made up argument for this?

But He did make a proper Book, the Bible. Translation is difficult work. And is done by man. God provided the different languages in order to divide mankind. And it works very well. Thus translating from one to another is difficult for fallen man. And when mistakes are made, or maybe just a better word used, then they are corrected.

But, you could just as easily complain that we have no original writings or manuscripts from the Bible...at all. None. So why would God allow those to crumble away or be lost or destroyed?

I don't understand why you say, 'he knew it would be of no use'. It was/is of great use. Many have been saved from the preaching of it. Their eternal destiny changed. And all that it contains is for the believer to grow and mature spiritually. (2 Tim. 3:16-17) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

Since Christianity is based on Jewish works I have every right to question its honesty and authenticity.

Thats what the sumerians said about judaism.

 

[Hafar1014]

But He did make a proper Book, the Bible. Translation is difficult work. And is done by man. God provided the different languages in order to divide mankind. And it works very well. Thus translating from one to another is difficult for fallen man. And when mistakes are made, or maybe just a better word used, then they are corrected.

But, you could just as easily complain that we have no original writings or manuscripts from the Bible...at all. None. So why would God allow those to crumble away or be lost or destroyed?

I don't understand why you say, 'he knew it would be of no use'. It was/is of great use. Many have been saved from the preaching of it. Their eternal destiny changed. And all that it contains is for the believer to grow and mature spiritually. (2 Tim. 3:16-17) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


Quantrill

The Torah is the orginal manuscript
The "original Torah" refers to the five books of Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy), believed by tradition to be dictated by God to Moses at Mount Sinai 3,330 years ago. While Orthodox Judaism views the text as entirely authentic from that time, secular scholarship views it as a compilation from multiple authors later.
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Key Perspectives on the "Original" Torah:

• Traditional View: The entire Torah, comprising the 613 commandments (mitzvot), was dictated directly by God to Moses at Mount Sinai.
• Scholarly View: Many scholars view the Torah (or Pentateuch) as a compilation of different texts (e.g., J, E, P, D sources) that were combined over centuries, often identifying the Masoretic text as the most ancient textual form.
• Oldest Extant Copy: The oldest complete Torah scroll is the Bologna Torah Scroll (circa 1155–1225 CE).
• Theories of Origin: Some researchers suggest the Torah, or portions of it, was created to consolidate power in the southern kingdom of Judah, with its narratives composed to act as political allegory.

 

[Hafar1014]

Thats what the sumerians said about judaism.

Can you quote them

 

[TNHarley]

But He did make a proper Book, the Bible. Translation is difficult work. And is done by man. God provided the different languages in order to divide mankind. And it works very well. Thus translating from one to another is difficult for fallen man. And when mistakes are made, or maybe just a better word used, then they are corrected.

But, you could just as easily complain that we have no original writings or manuscripts from the Bible...at all. None. So why would God allow those to crumble away or be lost or destroyed?

I don't understand why you say, 'he knew it would be of no use'. It was/is of great use. Many have been saved from the preaching of it. Their eternal destiny changed. And all that it contains is for the believer to grow and mature spiritually. (2 Tim. 3:16-17) "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


Quantrill

But why would he want us to argue over the meaning of his book? And he, apparently, knew we would. What could he gain from division in belief about him?

 

[TNHarley]

Can you quote them

Lol really?

 

[dblack]

Lol really?

Pics or it didn't happen!

 

[Hafar1014]

Lol really?

hey were polytheist Jews are monotheists.

• • Religion & Mythology: Their faith was polytheistic and anthropomorphic, with gods representing elements (An: heaven, Enlil: wind) and city protectors (Inanna of Uruk). They built massive temple complexes called ziggurats.

 

[Quantrill]

My understanding comes from my knowledge of Hebrew language I learned in 4 years of Hebrew school, my Orthodox grandfather and the rabies who study the Pentateuch as well as an understanding of Jewish culture and idiomatic expressions. There is no original sin fall of man hell or devil in Genesis. Those concepts are 100% incompatible with Judaism.
Since Christianity is based on Jewish works I have every right to question its honesty and authenticity.
You have your own bible the NT I dont comment on that. But when you distort mine Im going to point that out

Does Judaism believe in your so-called bible? You don't believe the bible you use, nor the rest of the Old Testament. You don't know what to believe. You just make it up as you go. You're just an allegory.

Quantrill

 

[TNHarley]

hey were polytheist Jews are monotheists.

• • Religion & Mythology: Their faith was polytheistic and anthropomorphic, with gods representing elements (An: heaven, Enlil: wind) and city protectors (Inanna of Uruk). They built massive temple complexes called ziggurats.

Lol yes, i know. Do you nto know anything about sumerian mythology?

 

[Hafar1014]

Does Judaism believe in your so-called bible? You don't believe the bible you use, nor the rest of the Old Testament. You don't know what to believe. You just make it up as you go. You're just an allegory.

Quantrill

Thats all you got thats not even relevant or intelligent. The Torah Pentateuch 5 books of Moses is Judaism. Try again and this time make sense