Zone1 Another question to ponder

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Is it possible you find great satisfaction in being unable to understand the Bible as it is written? (Yes, I know. That last line is definitely off topic. The other was not.)

It is the Glory of Christianity to have enemies that are irrational, deceitful and disrespectful.

 

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You certainly cant when they only thing you have to go by is so perverted and inconsistent.

You know what my response to this is. The Jews believing God was on their side embellished the narrative of the historical event to show that God was on their side. And that's what you believe too. You just won't admit it.

So you must be talking about the Israelites instead of God. But is the bible really the only thing you have to go by? Really? You don't exist? You don't have a brain?

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Ah, the pagans are holding a bad therapy session. Something must have frightened them.

Oh yeah, the Israelis are winning again, and the Mullahs are losing.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Just keep pondering, asking, searching for answers.......It builds character. Persistence may eventually pay off

 

[jacksonlamb]

OK, just making sure. Ding is a Vatican style Catholic, and Meriwether would make a conservative French Catholic look weak in the news. Right?

 

[BreezeWood]

The Bible isn't meant to be a understood by the masses

you mean can't be understood - by anyone.

there is nothing to understand about phony religion - all three desert bibles.

used to persecute and victimize the innocent - by sinners, desert dwellers throughout history to the present day.

 

[BreezeWood]

Is it possible you find great satisfaction in being unable to understand the Bible as it is written?

your problem is there is nothing from the heavens written - all that is, is written by one human or another.

 

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your problem is there is nothing from the heavens written - all that is, is written by one human or another.

Then how do you know the things about heaven you spout?

 

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OK, just making sure. Ding is a Vatican style Catholic, and Meriwether would make a conservative French Catholic look weak in the news. Right?

Interesting. I would describe myself as a "bad" Catholic?

And have frequently too.

 

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Ah, the pagans are holding a bad therapy session. Something must have frightened them.

Oh yeah, the Israelis are winning again, and the Mullahs are losing.

Am I a pagan? Cool.

 

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That this whole Abrahamic thing was made up by desert savages long ago. And copied from older religions.

Not exactly. Pretty much everything from the beginning of Genesis 1 through the Patriarchal Age was an oral history. They weren't hearing about it for the first time from Moses.

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:

• The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
  • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
  • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
• Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
  • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
  • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.

In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.

 

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I express a lot of logic in my religious threads that certainly back up my conclusion.

I'm not seeing it.

 

[Hafar1014]

So, many times during biblical debates, the argument "mistranslation" comes up.
So that begs the question.. if God created everything, how did he fail at creating a book that couldn't be mistranslated? You would think, since he is so prone to genociding non believers and their children, or sending them to hell, he would have made a book that couldn't be misconstrued. It wouldn't have had books left out by humans. It wouldn't have had verses changed. It wouldnt have 500 kabillion different versions that all say different things.
He can make the universe. He can make our solar system. He can make earth. He can make us. He can make plants survive without the sun. But he couldn't make a proper book?
It just doesn't make sense to me.
And on top of all that, in this little area of the earth, the only place he chose to show himself, had all the prophets, his son, he gave all these people visions etc. And he would know it was of no use, but he did it anyway? And expects us to believe in it or burn?
What a weird thing an all knowing creator would do.
Maybe someone has a good made up argument for this?

Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis.

 

[Hafar1014]

That this whole Abrahamic thing was made up by desert savages long ago. And copied from older religions.
I express a lot of logic in my religious threads that certainly back up my conclusion.

The Old Testament is nit the work of savages in fact it has wisdom far in advance of the time it was written. You simply cant understand it so who is the savage

 

[Mr Natural]

It’s a mystery.

Now stop asking questions and just believe. Otherwise you’ll end up in hell with the rest of the sinners.

 

[Hafar1014]

no, not everyone is a desert dweller.

- all three desert bibles have on nearly every page forgeries lies and fallacies purposely construed to convince what is deceiving to be legitimate as their gospel truth.

SI then I assume youre an urban dweller. Maybe you should think about that. Cities are the dumbest places in America

 

[TNHarley]

The Bible isn't meant to be a understood by the masses

"Many are called, but FEW are chosen"

If your heart is right, you will understand. There is a reason YOU don't understand.

Yet all you have is gaslighting. Weird.
Try again.

 

[TNHarley]

Nothing perverted and nothing inconsistent except your understanding

Your god doesnt like liars

 

[Hafar1014]

I am. You don't understand the Bible the way it is written, so I suggested still yet another approach. Remember that old adage about the road to insanity is to do the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. I believe that in the past I suggested Bible study with someone who know Hebrew. I also suggested seek and find God and then try Bible Study.

Is it possible you find great satisfaction in being unable to understand the Bible as it is written? (Yes, I know. That last line is definitely off topic. The other was not.)

Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis. Since you cant read Hebrew, and have no understanding if Jewish culture beliefs and idiomatic expressions you have no idea what it means. One of the dumbest errors I have heards is use of the royal we refers to the trinity. Thats so dumb its actually funny

 

[TNHarley]

I am. You don't understand the Bible the way it is written, so I suggested still yet another approach. Remember that old adage about the road to insanity is to do the same thing over and over again while expecting different results. I believe that in the past I suggested Bible study with someone who know Hebrew. I also suggested seek and find God and then try Bible Study.

Is it possible you find great satisfaction in being unable to understand the Bible as it is written? (Yes, I know. That last line is definitely off topic. The other was not.)

Again, you avoid the topic.