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Not exactly. Pretty much everything from the beginning of Genesis 1 through the Patriarchal Age was an oral history. They weren't hearing about it for the first time from Moses.

The first eleven chapters of Genesis were ancient historical events - during a time when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land - that were crafted to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice and Israel's relationship with God.

These early accounts are from Sumerian times when polytheism was the dominant religion of the land. The beliefs expressed in Genesis about a creator God that is moralistic and providential but did not control the affairs of men were a radical departure from polytheistic beliefs.

These accounts share notable similarities with older myths from other ancient Near Eastern cultures, leading many scholars to conclude they were adapted, rather than "stolen," to express Israelite monotheistic beliefs. The biblical authors reworked common literary motifs to convey their unique theological message.

Key examples of these parallels include:
  • The Flood Narrative: The story of Noah and the Ark shares significant plot details with the flood account in the much older Epic of Gilgamesh and the even earlier Atrahasis Epicfrom Mesopotamia.
    • Similarities: In both, a divine figure or council of gods decides to send a great flood to destroy humanity; a chosen man (Noah/Utnapishtim) is warned and instructed to build a large boat; animals are brought on board to preserve life; birds are sent out after the flood to check for dry land; the vessel lands on a mountain; and sacrifices are offered afterward.
    • Differences: The biblical account features one all-powerful God acting for moral reasons (human wickedness), while the Mesopotamian versions involve a pantheon of squabbling gods who are annoyed by human noise or simply choose to wipe them out, with one god breaking ranks to save his favorite human.
  • Creation Accounts: The Genesis 1 creation story has parallels with the Babylonian creation myth, the Enuma Elish.
    • Similarities: Both describe a primeval watery chaos before creation, the separation of waters by a firmament (sky), the creation of light before the sun and moon, and a similar sequence of events leading to a period of divine rest. The Hebrew word for the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis is linguistically related to the name of the chaos goddess Tiamat in the Enuma Elish.
    • Differences: Genesis is strictly monotheistic and portrays a sovereign, peaceful creation by divine command ("God said, 'Let there be...'"), while the Enuma Elish is polytheistic and involves a violent cosmic battle between the gods. Humans in Genesis are created in God's image and given dominion, while in the Enuma Elish, humans are created from the blood of a slain god to serve as the gods' slaves.
In essence, the ancient Israelites were part of the wider ancient Near Eastern culture and "breathed the same air". Their scribes used existing cultural and literary forms to present a revolutionary new idea: the existence of a single, all-powerful, and just God who created the world and humanity with purpose. The shared motifs help place the biblical texts within their historical context, but the theological emphasis remains uniquely Israelite.
Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis. Then Christians came along and distorted the entire meaning. My favorite error is they claimed use of the royal we referred to the trinity.
 
You know what my response to this is. The Jews believing God was on their side embellished the narrative of the historical event to show that God was on their side. And that's what you believe too. You just won't admit it.

So you must be talking about the Israelites instead of God. But is the bible really the only thing you have to go by? Really? You don't exist? You don't have a brain?
Huh? Did you read the OP?
 
Does anyone have anything to say that is on topic, this morning?
 
Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis.
So god creating everything and being omniscient is allegory?
 
The people that wrote it.
It addresses modern psychology as in the inherent need to have life with meaning, morals must be connected to free will, humans evolve, Genesis was centuries ahead of its time. You just cant understand it which portrays you as the neanderthal.
 
So god creating everything and being omniscient is allegory?
Genesis is expressed an allegory. Im sure you must have taken an English literature course in graduate school.
An allegory is a narrative, picture, or art form that uses symbolic figures and actions to convey hidden, often moral, social, or political meanings. It operates by having a surface story (the vehicle) represent a deeper, hidden concept (the tenor). Examples include Animal Farm (totalitarianism) and The Matrix (reality/control).
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Genesis is expressed an allegory. Im sure you must have taken an English literature course in graduate school.
An allegory is a narrative, picture, or art form that uses symbolic figures and actions to convey hidden, often moral, social, or political meanings. It operates by having a surface story (the vehicle) represent a deeper, hidden concept (the tenor). Examples include Animal Farm (totalitarianism) and The Matrix (reality/control).
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So god creating everything and being omniscient is allegory?
 
It addresses modern psychology as in the inherent need to have life with meaning, morals must be connected to free will, humans evolve, Genesis was centuries ahead of its time. You just cant understand it which portrays you as the neanderthal.
"morals" LOL what a freakin joke.
 
Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis. Since you cant read Hebrew, and have no understanding if Jewish culture beliefs and idiomatic expressions you have no idea what it means. One of the dumbest errors I have heards is use of the royal we refers to the trinity. Thats so dumb its actually funny

True. Many think the Greek translations of the Hebrew terms for 'Adam' and 'Eve' literally mean one guy named 'Adam' and one woman named 'Eve', for instance. Doesn't really matter much re the New Testament teachings in the 4 Gospels, in any case.
 
OK, just making sure. Ding is a Vatican style Catholic, and Meriwether would make a conservative French Catholic look weak in the news. Right?
Doubtful. But then I don't know what a conservative French Catholic is like. :)
 
Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis.
More accurately, you have made up your own version of Christianity and seem to be clueless about both Judaism and Christianity.
 
More accurately, you have made up your own version of Christianity and seem to be clueless about both Judaism and Christianity.
DUDE, you do the same freaking thing. You people just make stuff up, and if other people dont buy into it, you insult them. Its tiresome. And pathetic.
 
I think the KJV contained some mistranslations, and certainly a few other earlier English versions. Mistranslations that scholarship pretty much agrees on.

As scholarship improves, though, textual variances are eliminated. But I don't think textual variances will ever be completely eliminated.

Not a problem.

Understand that the Bible is just a collection of texts - a library (Bible, biblio, . . .) whose contributors were all of an ethnicity, though not all of a mind. So we know they were in conflict, both among themselves and with others.

So, the story is of a people who professed belief in their deity but seldom demonstrated that belief. They were fallen, we might say. Then some of them believed a messiah came to them to reconcile them with their deity.

That's the story. Know the story - the big picture - and textual variances should make little difference.
 
It’s a mystery.

Now stop asking questions and just believe. Otherwise you’ll end up in hell with the rest of the sinners.
What questions should you stop asking? Another possibility is time might be better spent seeking rather than questioning? The teaching is not, "Question and you will find" but "Seek and you will find."
 
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Most biblical text is allegorical so its easy to miss the meaning or as Christians have done make up their own version of Genesis. Since you cant read Hebrew, and have no understanding if Jewish culture beliefs and idiomatic expressions you have no idea what it means. One of the dumbest errors I have heards is use of the royal we refers to the trinity. Thats so dumb its actually funny
Now, not only are you making things up about Christianity and Judaism, but have continued on to make up stuff about me. Reality is the better place. There is no "royal we" in Trinity as Trinity is One. You are made up of body, mind, and soul. As such, do you refer to yourself with a "royal we"?
 
Now, not only are you making things up about Christianity and Judaism, but have continued on to make up stuff about me. Reality is the better place. There is no "royal we" in Trinity as Trinity is One. You are made up of body, mind, and soul. As such, do you refer to yourself with a "royal we"?
You dont know what it is
The royal we, also known as the majestic plural (Latin: pluralis majestatis) or royal plural, is the use of a plural pronoun (or corresponding plural-inflected verb forms) by one who is a monarch or high office holder to refer to oneself.
3 cant be one. Christianity defies simple logic and is a throwback to pagan polytheism. Catholics worship Mary as god and will pray to her idols.
 
Again, you avoid the topic.
I'm am trying to get you on topic--to help you out of that rabbit hole you have dug for yourself. Come up out of the dirt and darkness. You might find joy in reality.
 
3 cant be one. Christianity defies simple logic and is a throwback to pagan polytheism. Catholics worship Mary as god and will pray to her idols.

Not true. The OT has four 'voices', and no one claims that means multiple Gods. The Trinity merely addresses different 'voices' in the same manner.

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The four voices in the Old Testament are often referred to as the voice of Creation, the voice of Scripture, the voice of Conscience, and the voice of Community. These voices represent different ways in which God communicates with individuals and humanity as a whole. The voice of Creation speaks through the natural world, the voice of Scripture through the written Word, the voice of Conscience through the inner sense of right and wrong, and the voice of Community through the Christian Church and its members. These voices are believed to represent different ways in which God communicates with individuals and humanity as a whole.

Another view claims 5:

What are the 5 voices in the Bible?​



In the context of Bible, the term “voices” can refer to different literary or thematic elements present in the text. One common classification identifies five voices in the Bible:

1. God’s Voice: Throughout the Old and New Testaments, we encounter God’s direct communication with humanity. This can take the form of divine commands, promises, prophecies, and revelations.

2. Human Voices: The Bible features various human voices, including prophets, apostles, kings, and everyday individuals who share their experiences, prayers, praises, and laments.

3. Narrative Voice: The narrative voice in the Bible encompasses the storytelling aspect of the text, weaving together historical accounts, parables, and allegories to convey truths about God and His relationship with humanity.

4. Wisdom Voice: Found primarily in books like Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Job, the wisdom voice offers insights into living a righteous and meaningful life according to God’s principles.

5. Spiritual Voice: This voice pertains to the overarching spiritual themes and messages that resonate throughout the Bible, emphasizing concepts such as salvation, redemption, grace, and the ultimate triumph of good over evil.
 
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