Another Lie Debunked-"At the PEAK of slavery in 1860, only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves."

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Once again research shows just how much misinformation is presented on matters of race in the great gaslighting campaign.

Viral post gets it wrong about extent of slavery in 1860
By Louis Jacobson

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When we took a closer look, we found that the percentage of slaveholding families was dramatically higher than what the meme said, and that the number of slaves owned by blacks was presented in a misleading way.

'At the PEAK of Slavery in 1860, Only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves.'
The primary source of data about slaves and slaveholding in 1860 is that year’s census.

Census data from 1860 isn’t perfect, said University of North Carolina historian Joseph T. Glatthaar, author of Soldiering in the Army of Northern Virginia: A Statistical Portrait of the Troops Who Served under Robert E. Lee. But it remains "the best evidence we have."

In the big picture, the 1860 Census counted a total of 31,443,321 people, of which 3,953,760 were slaves. So slaves accounted for 12.6 percent of the national population.

Slaveholding by personal or family unit, 1860

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Source: Joseph T. Glatthaar, Soldiering in the Army of Northern Virginia: A Statistical Portrait of the Troops Who Served under Robert E. Lee

State-by-state figures show some variation. In Mississippi, 49 percent of families owned slaves, and in South Carolina, 46 percent did. In border states, the percentage was lower -- 3 percent in Delaware and 12 percent in Maryland. The median for slaveholding states was about 27 percent.

Using the same data, it's possible to calculate the statistic of dubious value cited in the viral image -- the percentage of all American families that owned slaves. The answer: 7.4 percent, which about five times greater than what the meme says.

Percentage of families owning slaves,
1860 Census

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Source: 1860 Census

'3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 slaves the same year.'

The most solid data we found was published in an article in the Root by Henry Louis Gates Jr., a Harvard University historian. Gates cited research by Carter G. Woodson, an African-American historian who died in 1950. He found that in 1830, a total of "3,776 free Negroes owned 12,907 slaves."

"I'd imagine that the (20,000 figure) quoted in the meme is probably not that far off from being true," said Junius Rodriguez, a Eureka College historian and author of Slavery in the United States: A Social, Political, and Historical Encyclopedia.

But the 20,000 number is not necessarily as eye-popping as the meme makes it out to be.

For starters, even if the number is accurate, it would still account for just a tiny percentage of all slaves held in the United States in 1860 -- specifically, one half of 1 percent. That runs contrary to the post’s framing.

In addition, the figure is almost certainly inflated by a legal quirk in most antebellum southern states.

It includes "many ‘owned’ family members whom they had purchased to become free," said Eric Foner, a Columbia University historian and the author of such books as The Fiery Trial: Abraham Lincoln and American Slavery. "You could not free a slave in most southern states without sending them out of the state."

Gates, writing in the Root, noted that the late historian Thomas J. Pressly used Woodson's statistics for 1830 to determine that about 42 percent of these black slaveholders owned just one slave. To Gates, this suggests that many -- though hardly all -- black "slaveholders" legally needed to "own" a family member such as a wife or child.

As Woodson wrote in his 1924 book Free Negro Owners of Slaves in the United States in 1830, "In many instances the husband purchased the wife or vice versa. … Slaves of Negroes were in some cases the children of a free father who had purchased his wife. If he did not thereafter emancipate the mother, as so many such husbands failed to do, his own children were born his slaves and were thus reported to the numerators."

Our ruling
Viral post gets it wrong about extent of slavery in 1860
 
I have analyzed, (briefly,) the census. I am perfectly willing for someone to explain that "civil-war.net" page, but it seems like a propaganda resource not grounded in reality.

If someone wants to wade through the numbers and actually tell me how they got the number of free black, the number of family that owned slaves ect., from the raw data? :dunno:

I only spent five minutes skimming the 52 pages, and NO WHERE did I see any numbers contained about slave owning families.

It appears to me these are fantasy numbers.

Guess someone will have to enlighten me. I go to this, because as most enlightened folks know, we cannot trust the SJW, socialist/globalist political agenda of GOOGLE. We must hit the raw data to have a meaningful conversation.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1860/population/1860a-02.pdf
 
. . though, TBH, I'm not sure it really matters.

That was over 100 years ago, who cares? :dunno:
 
Wish I owned IM2 as my personal slave.

I'd beat him every day just for being an uppity negro. ... :thup: .. :lol:

I don't think you would get to do that.
 
. . though, TBH, I'm not sure it really matters.

That was over 100 years ago, who cares? :dunno:
Every republican that says the democratic party was the party of slavery.

Every white person who has made claims about blacks owning slaves.

The it was 100 years ago excuse has not been used when whites bring shit up. So tuck that excuse up your sphincter.
 
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When we took a closer look, we found that the percentage of slaveholding families was dramatically higher than what the meme said, .....


1. THe meme was referring to individual slaver owners. Deciding to use numbers on FAMILIES instead of individuals, does not refute the previous claim. It is, at best, irrelevant spin.


2. It takes a special type of person to pretend that a woman having to put up with her husband keeping a female slave in the house to bang, is just as much a slave owner as her husband. Ditto the children, who were little more than property themselves in those relatively unenlightened times.

And by special, I mean liar.
 
I have analyzed, (briefly,) the census. I am perfectly willing for someone to explain that "civil-war.net" page, but it seems like a propaganda resource not grounded in reality.

If someone wants to wade through the numbers and actually tell me how they got the number of free black, the number of family that owned slaves ect., from the raw data? :dunno:

I only spent five minutes skimming the 52 pages, and NO WHERE did I see any numbers contained about slave owning families.

It appears to me these are fantasy numbers.

Guess someone will have to enlighten me. I go to this, because as most enlightened folks know, we cannot trust the SJW, socialist/globalist political agenda of GOOGLE. We must hit the raw data to have a meaningful conversation.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1860/population/1860a-02.pdf
You have no relationship to enlightened. The fantasy numbers is that 1.4 percent shit.
 
something tells me by the next page or two, i'll be a racist on the USMB again.....~S~
 
I have analyzed, (briefly,) the census. I am perfectly willing for someone to explain that "civil-war.net" page, but it seems like a propaganda resource not grounded in reality.

If someone wants to wade through the numbers and actually tell me how they got the number of free black, the number of family that owned slaves ect., from the raw data? :dunno:

I only spent five minutes skimming the 52 pages, and NO WHERE did I see any numbers contained about slave owning families.

It appears to me these are fantasy numbers.

Guess someone will have to enlighten me. I go to this, because as most enlightened folks know, we cannot trust the SJW, socialist/globalist political agenda of GOOGLE. We must hit the raw data to have a meaningful conversation.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/decennial/1860/population/1860a-02.pdf
You have no relationship to enlightened. The fantasy numbers is that 1.4 percent shit.

You know why I looked up to verify that this was propaganda?

Because we all learned, from elementary on through college, that slaves, next to land/real-estate property, were the most valuable asset back before the civil war.

The were more expensive than even livestock.

Now, go on and look at your silly graph. You have more families in Mississippi owning Slaves than families in both Virginia and Texas.

Thus, logically, this would mean, at the time of the Civil War, Mississippi had more middle class citizens, because, there were more families that owned slave, than either of these other southern states than the other, and nearly everyone knows the other states were more prosperous. Hell, they still are. Mississippi was, has been, and will always be, DIRT POOR.

Does this, I ask you, make any sense, at all to you?

It doesn't to me. . . not one bit. C'mon IM2, you are a smart man, don't be daft.

Thus, I needed to check up on the data you were pushing. And, as I suspected, no questions in the census were asked about who owned whom. I do not know how this GOOGLE doc extrapolated this data. YOU TELL ME or take this data and shove it. I think you want this to be true, but really, I think you are smart enough to know it just isn't so. Use your head man.

So, you either need to show me how this data was produced. . . OR SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR BULLSHIT PROPAGANDA.

SIMPLE LOGIC DICTATES IT IS NOT TRUE. NOT ONE BIT.

MISSISSIPPI SIMPLY HAD MORE PLANTATIONS AND THUS, MORE SLAVES.
 
. . though, TBH, I'm not sure it really matters.

That was over 100 years ago, who cares? :dunno:
Every republican that says the democratic party was the party of slavery.

Every white person who has made claims about blacks owning slaves.

The it was 100 years ago excuse has not been used when whites bring shit up. So tuck that excuse up your sphincter.

IM2. What's gawn awn. Hey, just a heads up, we're probably gonna have to start putting a few foreign policy threads down here. Apparently it's now racist to question specific foreign entanglments pertaining to specific foreign nations. It's a hell of a thing, man. It's a hell of a thing.

Alright, then.

Proceed....
 
. . though, TBH, I'm not sure it really matters.

That was over 100 years ago, who cares? :dunno:
Every republican that says the democratic party was the party of slavery.

Every white person who has made claims about blacks owning slaves.

The it was 100 years ago excuse has not been used when whites bring shit up. So tuck that excuse up your sphincter.

IM2. What's gawn awn. Hey, just a heads up, we're probably gonna have to start putting a few foreign policy threads down here. Apparently it's now racist to question specific foreign entanglments pertaining to specific foreign nations. It's a hell of a thing, man. It's a hell of a thing.

Alright, then.

Proceed....
Given that some of our foreign policy is based on racism....
 
American Negroes should be thanking US whites who freed them from Africa where they would be dead or slaves to this day.
 
American Negroes should be thanking US whites who freed them from Africa where they would be dead or slaves to this day.
Since that would not be the case, let me give you all the thanks you deserve:

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American Negroes should be thanking US whites who freed them from Africa where they would be dead or slaves to this day.
Since that would not be the case, let me give you all the thanks you deserve:

obama+flipping+the+bird.jpg
So you don't believe Africans are enslaved today in Africa or are being sold into slavery today in other countries?
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American Negroes should be thanking US whites who freed them from Africa where they would be dead or slaves to this day.
Since that would not be the case, let me give you all the thanks you deserve:

obama+flipping+the+bird.jpg
So you don't believe Africans are enslaved today in Africa or are being sold into slavery today in other countries?
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No I would not be a slave. There are slaves in Europe so 2 pictures of Africans does not represent the over 1 billion Africans that are not slaves. So again, let me give you all the thanks you are due:

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American Negroes should be thanking US whites who freed them from Africa where they would be dead or slaves to this day.
Since that would not be the case, let me give you all the thanks you deserve:

obama+flipping+the+bird.jpg
So you don't believe Africans are enslaved today in Africa or are being sold into slavery today in other countries?
gettyimages-810680708.jpg

jfcmdtiwopk11.jpg
No I would not be a slave. There are slaves in Europe so 2 pictures of Africans does not represent the over 1 billion Africans that are not slaves. So again, let me give you all the thanks you are due:

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Africans held your ancestors as slaves, then US whites bought them and freed them & their offspring which is you. You would never exist if it weren't for US whites. Please remind us how horrible US whites are to you.

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IM2 is one of the most ungrateful negro's I've had the displeasure to meet.

My ancestors freed his great grandmammy and great grandpappy and all he does it gripe about it. ... :cuckoo:
 

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