Another leg shooting in Britain showing my point about British thugs and guns...

[Skull Pilot]

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

100% is not minuscule.

So 100% of .001 is a big number to you?

All of them is -----well------all of them.

And what percentage of gun owners?

I could just as easily say 100% of people with the screen name Bulldog are assholes and it would still be a minuscule percent of all people with screen names

 

[Marion Morrison]

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

100% is not minuscule.

So 100% of .001 is a big number to you?

All of them is -----well------all of them.

And what percentage of gun owners?

I could just as easily say 100% of people with the screen name Bulldog are assholes and it would still be a minuscule percent of all people with screen names

Yeah, but BULLDOG is an asshole. Believe it or not, that's actually a whole level of assholes a notch lower than BULLDOG.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

 

[BULLDOG]

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

100% is not minuscule.

So 100% of .001 is a big number to you?

All of them is -----well------all of them.

And what percentage of gun owners?

I could just as easily say 100% of people with the screen name Bulldog are assholes and it would still be a minuscule percent of all people with screen names

Yeah, but BULLDOG is an asshole. Believe it or not, that's actually a whole level of assholes a notch lower than BULLDOG.

You're gonna make me blush.

 

[cnm]

Another leg shooting in Britain showing my point about British thugs and guns...

That their use is a headline event and not a matter of course as it is in the US with its lax firearms laws, which raving loonies ignore?

 

[cnm]

Note the US toll of dead and wounded for ONE DAY, not mentioned in any major news outlet, compared to the UK, where a single wounding in a single shooting is headline news. To equal US levels the UK would have needed 4 fatalities and 7 woundings. One can see how strict firearms laws contribute to the safety of UK residents. Well, unless of course one is a raving loony.

U.S. gun violence

Five people were killed, and two wounded, when a gunman burst into the offices of the Capital Gazette newspaper in Annapolis, Md., yesterday.


The dead — four journalists and a sales assistant — and wounded were not the only victims of gun violence in America on Thursday.


By this tracker’s count, there were at least 64 other shootings across the United States yesterday, resulting in 22 deaths and 37 injuries.
U.S. gun violence: Here’s how many people were shot across the U.S. yesterday​

 

[Skull Pilot]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

You do realize that a gun can be used in self defense without it being fired don't you?

 

[miketx]

British criminals get illegal guns.....they are getting more of them. They are not using them to commit murder, and this shooting demonstrates this.....

Eye witness describes panic and threats as lads realise their mate has been shot

A woman who rushed to the scene of a shooting after hearing a 'bang' whilst she was in a shop has described the terrifying ordeal.

The shooting took place last night at around 8.45pm on Grey Road, off Rice Lane in Walton.

A man in his 30s was taken to hospital with injuries to his leg that Merseyside Police say aren't believed to be life threatening.

British criminals rarely use their illegal guns to kill....they shoot to wound, as punishment to their minions or as threats to rivals....

I think you are wrong on this one. Brits just need to ban legs.

 

[2aguy]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

 

[2aguy]

Another leg shooting in Britain showing my point about British thugs and guns...

That their use is a headline event and not a matter of course as it is in the US with its lax firearms laws, which raving loonies ignore?

We don't have lax firearm laws...what we have is a political party, the democrat party, that continues to support releasing violent criminals out of jail, over and over again. These are the known, violent criminals who actually do the shooting, who should be in jail, and not out on the streets, but for some reason you can't explain, the democrat party fights to get them released......regardless of the death and destruction they bring to democrat party controlled cities....

Can you explain that?

 

[2aguy]

Note the US toll of dead and wounded for ONE DAY, not mentioned in any major news outlet, compared to the UK, where a single wounding in a single shooting is headline news. To equal US levels the UK would have needed 4 fatalities and 7 woundings. One can see how strict firearms laws contribute to the safety of UK residents. Well, unless of course one is a raving loony.

U.S. gun violence

Five people were killed, and two wounded, when a gunman burst into the offices of the Capital Gazette newspaper in Annapolis, Md., yesterday.


The dead — four journalists and a sales assistant — and wounded were not the only victims of gun violence in America on Thursday.


By this tracker’s count, there were at least 64 other shootings across the United States yesterday, resulting in 22 deaths and 37 injuries.
U.S. gun violence: Here’s how many people were shot across the U.S. yesterday​

And as more Americans own and carry guns, over the last 25 years, our gun murder rate went down 49%.....our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our violent crime rate went down 72%.....so it isn't law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense doing the criminal shooting in this country.

What you have to explain is why the democrat party continues to support letting violent criminals out of jail over and over again, with multiple felony convictions for gun crimes...the very crimes you keep bitching about, but which they they continue to release the criminals who committed those crimes you ***** about.

Can you explain to the viewing audience why the democrat party supports letting those criminals out of jail, especially after people like you ***** about them so much?

And compared to the number of times Americans use their legal guns for self defense....1,100,000 times a year.....according to the Centers for Disease Control, the number of lives saved by guns dwarfs the number of lives injured or taken by criminals the democrats let out of jail....

Stop the democrats from releasing violent criminals and you will actually lower the gun murder rate even lower......why don't you guys focus on that?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

Its just guesswork. A made up figure.

 

[2aguy]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

Its just guesswork. A made up figure.

Which, the 1.1 million defensive gun uses, or the actual bodies on the ground the FBI counted for their 235 defensive killings?

It isn't just one study that found a number of defensive gun uses that high.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[BULLDOG]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

You think owning a gun automatically gives the owner good judgement in their use of that gun? Is there some magical spell that is cast with each gun sale that imparts that to the buyer? Will a person with bad judgement be transformed with the purchase of a gun?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

Its just guesswork. A made up figure.

Which, the 1.1 million defensive gun uses, or the actual bodies on the ground the FBI counted for their 235 defensive killings?

It isn't just one study that found a number of defensive gun uses that high.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

Your first link admits that the figures are all over the place. Then there are links to the 70s. Its bollox.

 

[2aguy]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

You think owning a gun automatically gives the owner good judgement in their use of that gun? Is there some magical spell that is cast with each gun sale that imparts that to the buyer? Will a person with bad judgement be transformed with the purchase of a gun?

Nope...but with the stories I have seen of Americans with little to no training driving off attackers, I know that you don't have to be a Navy SEAL to use a gun to save a life.

 

[BULLDOG]

1.5m is around 4000 times a day. I am sure that there would be something in the press if that happened.
Bullshit.

That is something you don't understand. Normal, law abiding gun owners want to be left alone....so when they are attacked, they only use enough force to stay safe, they don't kill for the sake of killing. From those 1.1 million defensive gun uses found by the work done at the Centers for Disease Control, the FBI shows about 235 times non law enforcement are forced to kill an attacker in self defense. That means the vast majority of armed self defense events end up with the criminals running away, surrendering or merely being injured if they are stupid enough to press the attack to the point the victim has to shoot.

So you have rapes, robberies and murders stopped, the majority of time without shooting the criminals, and you would rather the victim suffer the rape, robbery or murder, often with violent injuries. That is your problem..... you want more victims rather than fewer victims....

You think owning a gun automatically gives the owner good judgement in their use of that gun? Is there some magical spell that is cast with each gun sale that imparts that to the buyer? Will a person with bad judgement be transformed with the purchase of a gun?

Nope...but with the stories I have seen of Americans with little to no training driving off attackers, I know that you don't have to be a Navy SEAL to use a gun to save a life.