Another leg shooting in Britain showing my point about British thugs and guns...

[BlackFlag]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

Again...how is shooting someone in the leg "friendly." How is pouring boiling water over the head old women in front of their husbands "friendly." They don't use their illegal guns to kill....they use them to exert power over their victims.....

If they have illegal guns....more guns than before they banned and confiscated them, and an increasing gun crime rate, but the murder rate stays the same, that means they are not pulling the trigger with an intent to kill....

You’ve posted many threads bragging about the rising murder rate in Britain and how the record number of guns has nothing to do with it.

Gun laws do not lower the murder rate and guns do not cause murders

Knives do not cut food and removing knives doesn’t make it harder to cut food

 

[2aguy]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

Again...how is shooting someone in the leg "friendly." How is pouring boiling water over the head old women in front of their husbands "friendly." They don't use their illegal guns to kill....they use them to exert power over their victims.....

If they have illegal guns....more guns than before they banned and confiscated them, and an increasing gun crime rate, but the murder rate stays the same, that means they are not pulling the trigger with an intent to kill....

You’ve posted many threads bragging about the rising murder rate in Britain and how the record number of guns has nothing to do with it.

And yes....murder is going up in Britain, led mostly by knives in the hands of teenagers in Britain......

 

[Skull Pilot]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

Again...how is shooting someone in the leg "friendly." How is pouring boiling water over the head old women in front of their husbands "friendly." They don't use their illegal guns to kill....they use them to exert power over their victims.....

If they have illegal guns....more guns than before they banned and confiscated them, and an increasing gun crime rate, but the murder rate stays the same, that means they are not pulling the trigger with an intent to kill....

You’ve posted many threads bragging about the rising murder rate in Britain and how the record number of guns has nothing to do with it.

Gun laws do not lower the murder rate and guns do not cause murders

Knives do not cut food and removing knives doesn’t make it harder to cut food

Knives are used in far more murders than rifles of any kind

And knives do not cause food to be cut the person holding the knife does

 

[BlackFlag]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

Again...how is shooting someone in the leg "friendly." How is pouring boiling water over the head old women in front of their husbands "friendly." They don't use their illegal guns to kill....they use them to exert power over their victims.....

If they have illegal guns....more guns than before they banned and confiscated them, and an increasing gun crime rate, but the murder rate stays the same, that means they are not pulling the trigger with an intent to kill....

You’ve posted many threads bragging about the rising murder rate in Britain and how the record number of guns has nothing to do with it.

Gun laws do not lower the murder rate and guns do not cause murders

Knives do not cut food and removing knives doesn’t make it harder to cut food

Knives are used in far more murders than rifles of any kind

And knives do not cause food to be cut the person holding the knife does

Knives and guns don’t make it any easier to commit murder. Stop lying.

 

[BULLDOG]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

 

[BlackFlag]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

If I decided to become a criminal, 30 minutes from now I could have any gun I wanted purchased legally with no hassle. Can’t say that about Britain, but of course that has nothing to do with gun crime there. Absolutely nothing.

 

[2aguy]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

If I decided to become a criminal, 30 minutes from now I could have any gun I wanted purchased legally with no hassle. Can’t say that about Britain, but of course that has nothing to do with gun crime there. Absolutely nothing.

If you wanted a gun in Britain, you can do the exact same thing, they have drugs over there, and the main source for illegal guns will be the drug dealers......

If you decided to become a criminal but didn't have a prior criminal record, like mass public shooters, you could pass any background check, get a gun license and register your guns......and then commit a crime...thank you for acknowledging the failure of all 3 of those things for stopping mass public shooters...what you leave out is even if you had a criminal record, you could still get an illegal gun by going through a straw buyer or stealing it...making those things pointless again.....

 

[BlackFlag]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

If I decided to become a criminal, 30 minutes from now I could have any gun I wanted purchased legally with no hassle. Can’t say that about Britain, but of course that has nothing to do with gun crime there. Absolutely nothing.

If you wanted a gun in Britain, you can do the exact same thing, they have drugs over there, and the main source for illegal guns will be the drug dealers......

If you decided to become a criminal but didn't have a prior criminal record, like mass public shooters, you could pass any background check, get a gun license and register your guns......and then commit a crime...thank you for acknowledging the failure of all 3 of those things for stopping mass public shooters...what you leave out is even if you had a criminal record, you could still get an illegal gun by going through a straw buyer or stealing it...making those things pointless again.....

Oh I have to go into the dangerous black market and talk to drug dealers that might kill me to get a gun? Nevermind, I don’t want to be a criminal anymore.

 

[Skull Pilot]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

 

[BULLDOG]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

100% is not minuscule.

 

[Dragonlady]

Do they have 30,000 gun deaths per year like we do?

No.

Obviously they are doing something correct and we are not.

Of those gun deaths....

2016.... 11,004 gun murder, 2017..... 10,982
-----------22,938 gun suicide
-----------495 accidental gun death


Do they have armed citizens using legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives like we do?

Britain banned guns....their gun crime rate is going up, our gun crime rate is going down.....

Neither do you. That armed citizens using guns 1.1 times to save lives is a total lie. I've seen how these figures were calculated. I've also seen other studies that say that those who claimed they used their guns to defend themselves were generally the agressor who used their guns to threaten others illegally.

If guns were "saving 1.1 millions lives" every year, why aren't millions dying around world because they don't have guns for self defense like Americans do?

 

[candycorn]

Do they have 30,000 gun deaths per year like we do?

No.

Obviously they are doing something correct and we are not.

Of those gun deaths....

2016.... 11,004 gun murder, 2017..... 10,982
-----------22,938 gun suicide
-----------495 accidental gun death


Do they have armed citizens using legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives like we do?

Britain banned guns....their gun crime rate is going up, our gun crime rate is going down.....

Neither do you. That armed citizens using guns 1.1 times to save lives is a total lie. I've seen how these figures were calculated. I've also seen other studies that say that those who claimed they used their guns to defend themselves were generally the agressor who used their guns to threaten others illegally.

If guns were "saving 1.1 millions lives" every year, why aren't millions dying around world because they don't have guns for self defense like Americans do?

It used to be 1.5 million times a year. He can't keep his lies straight.

So what IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?

 

[2aguy]

Do they have 30,000 gun deaths per year like we do?

No.

Obviously they are doing something correct and we are not.

Of those gun deaths....

2016.... 11,004 gun murder, 2017..... 10,982
-----------22,938 gun suicide
-----------495 accidental gun death


Do they have armed citizens using legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives like we do?

Britain banned guns....their gun crime rate is going up, our gun crime rate is going down.....

Neither do you. That armed citizens using guns 1.1 times to save lives is a total lie. I've seen how these figures were calculated. I've also seen other studies that say that those who claimed they used their guns to defend themselves were generally the agressor who used their guns to threaten others illegally.

If guns were "saving 1.1 millions lives" every year, why aren't millions dying around world because they don't have guns for self defense like Americans do?

It used to be 1.5 million times a year. He can't keep his lies straight.

So what IS the best way to reduce or prevent mass shootings?

And you don't follow your gun self defense studies.....

The 1.1 million is the number the Centers for Disease control for defensive gun uses.

The 1.5 millon is the Department of Justice number for defensive gun uses.

The rest?

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[Marion Morrison]

British criminals get illegal guns.....they are getting more of them. They are not using them to commit murder, and this shooting demonstrates this.....

Eye witness describes panic and threats as lads realise their mate has been shot

A woman who rushed to the scene of a shooting after hearing a 'bang' whilst she was in a shop has described the terrifying ordeal.

The shooting took place last night at around 8.45pm on Grey Road, off Rice Lane in Walton.

A man in his 30s was taken to hospital with injuries to his leg that Merseyside Police say aren't believed to be life threatening.

British criminals rarely use their illegal guns to kill....they shoot to wound, as punishment to their minions or as threats to rivals....

They probably don't beat people as badly over there, either. It's not polite.

 

[2aguy]

Do they have 30,000 gun deaths per year like we do?

No.

Obviously they are doing something correct and we are not.

Of those gun deaths....

2016.... 11,004 gun murder, 2017..... 10,982
-----------22,938 gun suicide
-----------495 accidental gun death


Do they have armed citizens using legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives like we do?

Britain banned guns....their gun crime rate is going up, our gun crime rate is going down.....

Neither do you. That armed citizens using guns 1.1 times to save lives is a total lie. I've seen how these figures were calculated. I've also seen other studies that say that those who claimed they used their guns to defend themselves were generally the agressor who used their guns to threaten others illegally.

If guns were "saving 1.1 millions lives" every year, why aren't millions dying around world because they don't have guns for self defense like Americans do?

Millions are dying around the world because they don't have guns......are you really that stupid? Mexican citizens are being butchered by the drug cartels and their government allies in the 10s of thousands, Africa, South America.......unarmed people are murdered every single day.....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

 

[2aguy]

British criminals get illegal guns.....they are getting more of them. They are not using them to commit murder, and this shooting demonstrates this.....

Eye witness describes panic and threats as lads realise their mate has been shot

A woman who rushed to the scene of a shooting after hearing a 'bang' whilst she was in a shop has described the terrifying ordeal.

The shooting took place last night at around 8.45pm on Grey Road, off Rice Lane in Walton.

A man in his 30s was taken to hospital with injuries to his leg that Merseyside Police say aren't believed to be life threatening.

British criminals rarely use their illegal guns to kill....they shoot to wound, as punishment to their minions or as threats to rivals....

They probably don't beat people as badly over there, either. It's not polite.

Although, if you read about the home invasions in Britain..........one merry band of thugs held a clothes iron to the stomach of a woman to get her to hand over her valuables...and she told the police she was afraid to resist because she didn't want to get in trouble with the police.....another pair poured boiling water over the head of the wife, a senior citizen, as her husband watched.....

 

[Marion Morrison]

British criminals get illegal guns.....they are getting more of them. They are not using them to commit murder, and this shooting demonstrates this.....

Eye witness describes panic and threats as lads realise their mate has been shot

A woman who rushed to the scene of a shooting after hearing a 'bang' whilst she was in a shop has described the terrifying ordeal.

The shooting took place last night at around 8.45pm on Grey Road, off Rice Lane in Walton.

A man in his 30s was taken to hospital with injuries to his leg that Merseyside Police say aren't believed to be life threatening.

British criminals rarely use their illegal guns to kill....they shoot to wound, as punishment to their minions or as threats to rivals....

They probably don't beat people as badly over there, either. It's not polite.

Although, if you read about the home invasions in Britain..........one merry band of thugs held a clothes iron to the stomach of a woman to get her to hand over her valuables...and she told the police she was afraid to resist because she didn't want to get in trouble with the police.....another pair poured boiling water over the head of the wife, a senior citizen, as her husband watched.....

You know, I could have gone all Thanksgiving Day without hearing about that.

Were the perpetrators British or Muslim?

 

[2aguy]

British criminals get illegal guns.....they are getting more of them. They are not using them to commit murder, and this shooting demonstrates this.....

Eye witness describes panic and threats as lads realise their mate has been shot

A woman who rushed to the scene of a shooting after hearing a 'bang' whilst she was in a shop has described the terrifying ordeal.

The shooting took place last night at around 8.45pm on Grey Road, off Rice Lane in Walton.

A man in his 30s was taken to hospital with injuries to his leg that Merseyside Police say aren't believed to be life threatening.

British criminals rarely use their illegal guns to kill....they shoot to wound, as punishment to their minions or as threats to rivals....

They probably don't beat people as badly over there, either. It's not polite.

Although, if you read about the home invasions in Britain..........one merry band of thugs held a clothes iron to the stomach of a woman to get her to hand over her valuables...and she told the police she was afraid to resist because she didn't want to get in trouble with the police.....another pair poured boiling water over the head of the wife, a senior citizen, as her husband watched.....

You know, I could have gone all Thanksgiving Day without hearing about that.

Then you should have stayed off U.S.message for the holiday

 

[Skull Pilot]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

100% is not minuscule.

So 100% of .001 is a big number to you?

 

[BULLDOG]

How stupid does someone have to be to look at a country woth more guns than people, and then to look at a country where there are few guns, and their determination is that the country with fewer guns has friendlier criminals and THAT’s why they have less gun deaths. How ******* stupid.

Then they argue the gun rate is rising, and you point out the number of guns are rising and are at record levels now, and they say there’s zero correlation. Too stupid.

What you fail to include is that there is a real and very significant difference between criminals obtaining illegal weapons and law abiding people owning firearms.

99.999% of all legal firearm owners in this country will never commit any crime never mind kill anyone

That % doesn't apply to gun nuts. 100% of our home grown terrorists are gun nuts.

and you don't realize how minuscule a percentage that is do you?

100% is not minuscule.

So 100% of .001 is a big number to you?

All of them is -----well------all of them.