Another discussion about abortion

[BackAgain]

Can it survive on its own?

What? The dna? Or the hair follicle? Or the nail bed?

And when? While the nail clippings are bing put into the garbage?

 

[buttercup]

Are hair follicles human life or not?

Read the excerpts I posted. You clearly didn't, because it addresses that.

 

[progressive hunter]

Can a zygote survive on it's own?

a human cant survive on its own for the first few yrs of its life,,

a coma patient cant survive on their own,,

I could give more examples but whats the use,, your blood lust to murder innocent children has consumed you,,

 

[BULLDOG]

Can a newborn?

Can my brain injured wife "survive on HER own?"

A newborn or a brain injured wife can survive quite well given the care they need. What care would allow a zygote to survive?

 

[BackAgain]

A newborn or a brain injured wife can survive quite well given the care they need. What care would allow a zygote to survive?

Not being aborted comes to mind .

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Here's my stance on the matter. As it stands, if you live in a blue state, you can ignore all contraceptives, get pregnant as often as you can and get equally as many abortions. So, go about your life and focus on getting work and living your life.
If you live in a red state, you will most likely have significant restrictions on abortion, so give the guy condoms, take birth control pills, wear an IUD, get your tubes tied, don't spread your legs for guys, or move to a blue state.
The president has repeatedly said that he will NOT sign a law that restricts abortions nationally, so respect the laws of the state you are residing in or move to another one.

 

[Chuz Life]

A newborn or a brain injured wife can survive quite well given the care they need. What care would allow a zygote to survive?

They do most of that work themself. Just like YOU did, when YOU were in the zygote stage of YOUR life.

Maybe you don't think you had a right to your life at that point in your development, but you don't have the right to force that belief onto anyone else.

 

[Eman623]

I don’t think what anyone of us “sees” defines when life begins.

Actually, "life" by definition begins at conception, and even before that technically. Eggs and sperm are living cells and when they combine the resulting fertilized embryo is also alive.

 

[BULLDOG]

a human cant survive on its own for the first few yrs of its life,,

a coma patient cant survive on their own,,

I could give more examples but whats the use,, your blood lust to murder innocent children has consumed you,,

Sure they can survive. They do it every day given the proper care. What is the proper care to allow a zygote to survive?

 

[Chuz Life]

Here's my stance on the matter. As it stands, if you live in a blue state, you can ignore all contraceptives, get pregnant as often as you can and get equally as many abortions. So, go about your life and focus on getting work and living your life.
If you live in a red state, you will most likely have significant restrictions on abortion, so give the guy condoms, take birth control pills, wear an IUD, get your tubes tied, don't spread your legs for guys, or move to a blue state.
The president has repeatedly said that he will NOT sign a law that restricts abortions nationally, so respect the laws of the state you are residing in or move to another one.

Great!

Except (and not to derail the thread with this question) bur, do you honestly think it is Constitutional for the beginning of a child's PERSONHOOD to vary like that from one State to another?

I don't.

 

[Eman623]

That moment when you look at it with more than only your eyes and realize they are both the same human organism.

Just in different points in their life, growth, etc.

As a father, I'm defensive of my children. No matter where they are. no matter their age, their size, their (especially temporary) level of development, etc. . .

That is an example of looking at it with more than only your eyes.

I see no reason to look at it any other way. Seeing is believing.

And it's not a question of being an organism. One is a person the other is not.

 

[BackAgain]

Sure they can survive. They do it every day given the proper care. What is the proper care to allow a zygote to survive?

Not being aborted.

 

[Chuz Life]

Actually, "life" by definition begins at conception, and even before that technically. Eggs and sperm are living cells and when they combine the resulting fertilized embryo is also alive.

There is no new individual organism unless and until the two haploid cells (sperm and egg) combine and sperm and egg cells are NOT organisms.

The new organism they create when they merge.

IS.

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[BULLDOG]

They do most of that work themself. Just like YOU did, when YOU were in the zygote stage of YOUR life.

Maybe you don't think you had a right to your life at that point in your development, but you don't have the right to force that belief onto anyone else.

So you think a zygote can take care of it's self?

 

[Chuz Life]

I see no reason to look at it any other way. Seeing is believing.

And it's not a question of being an organism. One is a person the other is not.

By having each State decide is establishing the point of personhood in a variable way from State to State.

Some day, the SCOTUS will have to rule that THAT is not Constitutional.

 

[Chuz Life]

So you think a zygote can take care of it's self?

Didn't YOU?

 

[Eman623]

Surgical abortions don't take place that early. A woman (especially one who isn't planning a pregnancy) doesn't even know she's pregnant until she has missed at least one period.

By the time most abortions take place, the baby has a beating heart, brain waves, a little body, even tiny developing arms and legs.

Very tiny. The fetus is maybe couple inches or so long at that point.

But even in the earliest stages, the preborn is a human being... a brand new person.

Agree to disagree.

I disagree that it's a subjective matter where people can just arbitrarily decide when they think life begins. Gosh, if that was the case, there would be a lot more late term abortions. And I wouldn't be surprised if those baby body parts were sold to make a profit. It's demonic.

Most people would agree with me in that early abortions are generally okay, and late term ones generally not.

 

[Eman623]

There is no new individual organism unless and until the two haploid cells (sperm and egg) combine and sperm and egg cells are NOT organisms.

I'm talking when life begins. Not when a new organism is created. Life is present even before conception.

It's my experience that people tend to conflate the various terms, "life", "organism", "being", and "person". They are all different things.

The new organism they create when they merge.

IS.

I know.

 

[Chuz Life]

Most people would agree with me in that early abortions are generally okay, and late term ones generally not.

 

[Eman623]

By having each State decide is establishing the point of personhood in a variable way from State to State.

Some day, the SCOTUS will have to rule that THAT is not Constitutional.

We tried that for 50 years. Didn't work out.

Given that people in different states see the matter differently, it suggests that each state should be free to set its own standard.