Another discussion about abortion

[buttercup]

Is a single hair, or some toenail clippings a living human being?

Hair follicles and nail beds both meet your definition of human life as well as a zygote. What is different?

It never ceases to amaze me how scientifically illiterate proaborts are.

I'm going to copy-paste a couple excerpts for you on this topic, to answer your question.

To begin with, scientifically something very radical occurs between the processes of gametogenesis and fertilization — the change from a simple part of one human being (i.e., a sperm) and a simple part of another human being (i.e., an oocyte — usually referred to as an "ovum" or "egg"), which simply possess "human life", to a new, genetically unique, newly existing, individual, whole living human being (an embryonic single-cell human zygote). That is, upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.

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As pointed out above in the background section, there is a radical difference, scientifically, between parts of a human being that only possess "human life" and a human embryo or human fetus that is an actual "human being." Abortion is the destruction of a human being. Destroying a human sperm or a human oocyte would not constitute abortion, since neither are human beings. The issue is not when does human life begin, but rather when does the life of every human being begin. A human kidney or liver, a human skin cell, a sperm or an oocyte all possess human life, but they are not human beings — they are only parts of a human being. If a single sperm or a single oocyte were implanted into a woman's uterus, they would not grow; they would simply disintegrate.

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[BackAgain]

Hair follicles and nail beds both meet your definition of human life as well as a zygote. What is different?

No. Neither does if we go by what you initially asked

You’ve just subtly changed it to follicles and nail bed.

So, as to those within any part of the body, it shares identical DNA with the person. That’s true. Trivially true, but still true.

But a part of a person isn’t a person. It’s a part. Pick a cell; any cell! Yep. Same DNA.

Not even the dumbest around would confuse a uvula for a human being / person. Would you?

 

[progressive hunter]

explain why.

 

[Chuz Life]

I don’t think what anyone of us “sees” defines when life begins.

It's easier to see, if you hold fast to what the meaning of the word "begin" is.

Interestingly, you should look at what all of the synonyms for the words "beginning" and "birth" are.

 

[BULLDOG]

That moment when you look at it with more than only your eyes and realize they are both the same human organism.

Just in different points in their life, growth, etc.

As a father, I'm defensive of my children. No matter where they are. no matter their age, their size, their (especially temporary) level of development, etc. . .

That is an example of looking at it with more than only your eyes.

Your feels are not enough to deny rights to women.

 

[progressive hunter]

Your feels are not enough to deny rights to women.

abortion isnt a right unless she commits' suicide,,

 

[Chuz Life]

Your feels are not enough to deny rights to women.

Nobody has the right to violate the rights of another.

 

[BULLDOG]

It never ceases to amaze me how scientifically illiterate proaborts are.

I'm going to copy-paste a couple excerpts for you on this topic, to answer your question.

To begin with, scientifically something very radical occurs between the processes of gametogenesis and fertilization — the change from a simple part of one human being (i.e., a sperm) and a simple part of another human being (i.e., an oocyte — usually referred to as an "ovum" or "egg"), which simply possess "human life", to a new, genetically unique, newly existing, individual, whole living human being (an embryonic single-cell human zygote). That is, upon fertilization, parts of human beings have actually been transformed into something very different from what they were before; they have been changed into a single, whole human being. During the process of fertilization, the sperm and the oocyte cease to exist as such, and a new human being is produced.​

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As pointed out above in the background section, there is a radical difference, scientifically, between parts of a human being that only possess "human life" and a human embryo or human fetus that is an actual "human being." Abortion is the destruction of a human being. Destroying a human sperm or a human oocyte would not constitute abortion, since neither are human beings. The issue is not when does human life begin, but rather when does the life of every human being begin. A human kidney or liver, a human skin cell, a sperm or an oocyte all possess human life, but they are not human beings — they are only parts of a human being. If a single sperm or a single oocyte were implanted into a woman's uterus, they would not grow; they would simply disintegrate.​

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Are hair follicles human life or not?

 

[progressive hunter]

Are hair follicles human life or not?

they are a part of the human life they are attached too,,

 

[BULLDOG]

they are a part of the human life they are attached too,,

Are they human life or not? Quit tapdancing.

 

[Chuz Life]

Just caught this on my news feed.

Missouri Man Charged With Murder Of Pregnant Wife And Unborn Son​

MSN

 

[BackAgain]

Are hair follicles human life or not?

No.

 

[progressive hunter]

Are they human life or not? Quit tapdancing.

they re a part of the human life they are attached too and not an individual life separate from them,,,,

 

[Chuz Life]

Are they human life or not? Quit tapdancing.

"That's a stupid question."

Were you ever a hair follicle?

If you manage to prove that a hair follicle is a human life, would that make a human being in the zygote stage of their life anything less?

Were you ever in the zygote stage of your life?

 

[BULLDOG]

No. Neither does if we go by what you initially asked

You’ve just subtly changed it to follicles and nail bed.

So, as to those within any part of the body, it shares identical DNA with the person. That’s true. Trivially true, but still true.

But a part of a person isn’t a person. It’s a part. Pick a cell; any cell! Yep. Same DNA.

Not even the dumbest around would confuse a uvula for a human being / person. Would you?

Can it survive on its own?

 

[progressive hunter]

Can it survive on its own?

you hve a serious mental problem,,

 

[Chuz Life]

Can it survive on its own?

Can a newborn?

Can my brain injured wife "survive on HER own?"

 

[BULLDOG]

they re a part of the human life they are attached too and not an individual life separate from them,,,,

Can a zygote survive on it's own?

 

[Chuz Life]

Can a zygote survive on it's own?

Post in thread 'Another discussion about abortion'

Aug 7, 2025

Can it survive on its own?

Can a newborn?

Can my brain injured wife "survive on HER own?"

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[buttercup]

As for aborting the blastula, I don't see how that could be called murder. It's a clump of cells. But killing that 7 month fetus is too close to murder to be acceptable to me.

Surgical abortions don't take place that early. A woman (especially one who isn't planning a pregnancy) doesn't even know she's pregnant until she has missed at least one period.

By the time most abortions take place, the baby has a beating heart, brain waves, a little body, even tiny developing arms and legs.

But even in the earliest stages, the preborn is a human being... a brand new person.

Others will of course see it differently. That's fine. Everyone can decide where the line should be drawn and then collectively we'll get the legislature to pass a law.

I disagree that it's a subjective matter where people can just arbitrarily decide when they think life begins. Gosh, if that was the case, there would be a lot more late term abortions. And I wouldn't be surprised if those baby body parts were sold to make a profit. It's demonic.