Another $12B to Ukraine…what is with this constant supply of money and weapons to Ukraine?

Wrong.
The ABM missiles sent to Poland were specifically nuclear Sprint missiles.
They clearly were never intended to knock out incoming Iranian missiles, and it was all a ruse.
Sprints are intermediate range nuclear missiles.
Sure the missiles are ancient, but the attempt to put them in Poland was not.

The Sprint was a two-stage, solid-fuel anti-ballistic missile (ABM), armed with a W66 enhanced-radiation thermonuclear warhead used by the United States Army from 1975-1976.

What year is it? My God, the stupid in this one poor excuse for a human being!

In 1976, I was a sophomore in high school!
 
Which is what proves you wrong you stupid drooling liar.

ABMs are NOT nuclear

Can't you read?
Clearly Nike Zeus and Sprints were both NUCLEAR.

The Nike Zeus had a 5 megaton warhead nuclear warhead.
The Sprint had a warhead in the 1–3 kiloton range.
Megaton and kiloton are nuclear designations.
Unless you think they carried actual 5 megatons of TNT and 3 kilotons of TNT.
Which of course no interceptor could possibly lift.
 
Wrong.
The ABM missiles sent to Poland were specifically nuclear Sprint missiles.
They clearly were never intended to knock out incoming Iranian missiles, and it was all a ruse.
Sprints are intermediate range nuclear missiles.
Sure the missiles are ancient, but the attempt to put them in Poland was not.
No they were not dumbass

We negotiated to put AEGIS system missiles in Poland.

NON NUCLEAR missiles

You are a liar
 
Can't you read?
Clearly Nike Zeus and Sprints were both NUCLEAR.

The Nike Zeus had a 5 megaton warhead nuclear warhead.
The Sprint had a warhead in the 1–3 kiloton range.
Megaton and kiloton are nuclear designations.
Unless you think they carried actual 5 megatons of TNT and 3 kilotons of TNT.
Which of course no interceptor could possibly lift.
You are a liar we NEVER tried to put any such Missiles in Poland
 
The Sprint was a two-stage, solid-fuel anti-ballistic missile (ABM), armed with a W66 enhanced-radiation thermonuclear warhead used by the United States Army from 1975-1976.

What year is it? My God, the stupid in this one poor excuse for a human being!

In 1976, I was a sophomore in high school!

And why do you think we are no longer using these Sprint ABMs and instead wanted to put them in Poland?
Is there any indication there were ever any Sprint ABMs that were NOT nuclear?
 
Very uninformed propaganda.
The Iron Curtain was to protect the USSR from the constant US attempts at espionage.
The Berlin Wall was because people were getting their degrees as doctors, lawyers, etc. for free in Eastern Germany, and then leaving without paying back for their free education.
Russia did NOT invade Georgia, but Georgia invaded South Ossetia, and Russia stopped them.
The Crimea are ethnic Russian Tatars, being murdered and abused by the ethnic Poles in Kyiv.
The invasion of Poland was by East German and Hungarian troops, to restore order.
Angola was Cubans trying to prevent western colonial imperialism.
Afghanistan was war crimes by the US.
Syria is resistance to prevent the illegal US attempt to murder Assad, even though Assad is extremely popular, just like we murdered Saddam, Qaddafi, etc.
The only one where you are remotely right may be Chechnya, where I do not like what Russia did.
^ Rarely aired views in the West; thank you.
 
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Speak for yourself, right wing semi fascist dope. Stop listening to Russian propaganda and extreme idiot GOP propaganda. It's hard to tell the difference. This is about stopping fascist ******** like Putin and trump for that matter. You GOP base idiots would not understand lol....Poor America.
Insane war criminal in the White House.
 
And why do you think we are no longer using these Sprint ABMs and instead wanted to put them in Poland?
Is there any indication there were ever any Sprint ABMs that were NOT nuclear?
Jesus christ you unbelievably obstuse moronj we never tried to put sprints in poland
 
Natural logical assumption from Russia's view that Ukraine joining NATO means bases and nukes nearby soon. We don't have those concerns. The closest thing we encountered was Cuba, and we drew a bright red line there. Imagine Mexico joining a military alliance with Russia.
^ Gets it.
 
No they were not dumbass

We negotiated to put AEGIS system missiles in Poland.

NON NUCLEAR missiles

You are a liar

Wrong AEGIS is a detection and guidance system, which works with any missile.
It does not specify a particular missile.
AEGIS can be used with cannon and no missiles.
 
You are a liar we NEVER tried to put any such Missiles in Poland

{...
Since 2002, the U.S. had been in talks with Poland and other European countries over the possibility of setting up a European base to intercept long-range missiles. According to U.S. officials, a site similar to the American base in Alaska would help protect the US and Europe from missiles fired from the Middle East or North Africa. The Ustka-Wicko base of the Polish Army (at 54.554°N 16.620°E) was initially mentioned as a possible site of US missile interceptors. Poland's Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said in November 2005 he wanted to open up the public debate on whether Poland should host such a base.[7]

In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System.[8] However, in April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan.[9]

Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic.[10][11] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[12] Putin also said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States.[13][14]

On July 4, 2008, Poland did not agree on the conditions set forth by the United States regarding the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on its territory.[15]

On July 8, 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that if the missile defense system was approved, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods."[16]

On August 14, 2008, shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia war, the United States and Poland announced a deal to implement the missile defense system on Polish territory, with a tracking system placed in the Czech Republic. The Russians responded by saying such action "cannot go unpunished."[17] Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy, said, "The fact that this was signed in a period of a very difficult crisis in the relations between Russia and the United States over the situation in Georgia shows that, of course, the missile defense system will be deployed not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."[18]

A high-ranking Russian military officer warned Poland that it was exposing itself to attack by accepting a U.S. missile interceptor base on its soil. The deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that, "by deploying (the system), it is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent".[19]

On August 20, 2008, the "Agreement Between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Republic of Poland Concerning the Deployment of Ground-Based Ballistic Missile Defense Interceptors in the Territory of the Republic of Poland" was signed in Warsaw by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Poland’s Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski.[20][21]

On November 5, 2008, in his first State of the Nation speech, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated, "From what we have seen in recent years—the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO—we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength." Russia would deploy short-range Iskander missiles to Russia's western enclave of Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania "to neutralize, if necessary, a missile defense system."[22]

On November 8, an aide to U.S. President-Elect Barack Obama denied a claim made by Polish President Lech Kaczyński's office, that a pledge had been made to go ahead with the missile defense system during a phone conversation between the two men. "His [Obama's] position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defence system when the technology is proved to be workable," the aide said, but "no commitment" has been made.[23]

On November 14, French President Nicolas Sarkozy stated that plans for a U.S. missile shield in Central Europe were misguided, and wouldn't make the continent a safer place. "Deployment of a missile defense system would bring nothing to security ... it would complicate things, and would make them move backward," he said at a summit. He also warned Russian President Medvedev against upping tensions by deploying missiles in Kaliningrad in response to the planned U.S. missile defense system.[24]

On April 5, 2009, President Obama, during a speech in Prague, declared: "As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven."[25] President Obama continued to express conditional support for the program and sought to isolate it from U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control talks.[26]

On September 17, 2009, The White House issued a statement saying that the US "no longer planned to move forward" with the project. According to President Obama, new intelligence had shown Iran was pursuing short-range and medium-range missile development, rather than long-range, necessitating a shift in strategy.[27][28] The outlines of a reformulated, scaled-down project began to emerge in October, 2009.[6]
...}

Not only did we specifically try to put nuclear missiles in Poland, but any missile large enough can easily be fitted with a nuclear warhead.
Are you going to try to make the same claim Obama did, that they were to protect against an attack from Iran?
 
And why do you think we are no longer using these Sprint ABMs and instead wanted to put them in Poland?
Is there any indication there were ever any Sprint ABMs that were NOT nuclear?
The SDI ground based interceptor was called ERINT for Extended Range Interceptor. When the project was cancelled, the ERINT was later chosen as the MIM-104 Patriot (Patriot Advanced Capability-3,PAC-3) missile.

These were hit-to-kill weapons and thus, non-nuclear.

Why are you so fucking wrong about everything?
 
{...
Since 2002, the U.S. had been in talks with Poland and other European countries over the possibility of setting up a European base to intercept long-range missiles. According to U.S. officials, a site similar to the American base in Alaska would help protect the US and Europe from missiles fired from the Middle East or North Africa. The Ustka-Wicko base of the Polish Army (at 54.554°N 16.620°E) was initially mentioned as a possible site of US missile interceptors. Poland's Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said in November 2005 he wanted to open up the public debate on whether Poland should host such a base.[7]

In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System.[8] However, in April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan.[9]

Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic.[10][11] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[12] Putin also said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States.[13][14]

On July 4, 2008, Poland did not agree on the conditions set forth by the United States regarding the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on its territory.[15]

On July 8, 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that if the missile defense system was approved, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods."[16]

On August 14, 2008, shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia war, the United States and Poland announced a deal to implement the missile defense system on Polish territory, with a tracking system placed in the Czech Republic. The Russians responded by saying such action "cannot go unpunished."[17] Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy, said, "The fact that this was signed in a period of a very difficult crisis in the relations between Russia and the United States over the situation in Georgia shows that, of course, the missile defense system will be deployed not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."[18]

A high-ranking Russian military officer warned Poland that it was exposing itself to attack by accepting a U.S. missile interceptor base on its soil. The deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that, "by deploying (the system), it is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent".[19]

On August 20, 2008, the "Agreement Between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Republic of Poland Concerning the Deployment of Ground-Based Ballistic Missile Defense Interceptors in the Territory of the Republic of Poland" was signed in Warsaw by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Poland’s Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski.[20][21]

On November 5, 2008, in his first State of the Nation speech, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated, "From what we have seen in recent years—the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO—we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength." Russia would deploy short-range Iskander missiles to Russia's western enclave of Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania "to neutralize, if necessary, a missile defense system."[22]

On November 8, an aide to U.S. President-Elect Barack Obama denied a claim made by Polish President Lech Kaczyński's office, that a pledge had been made to go ahead with the missile defense system during a phone conversation between the two men. "His [Obama's] position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defence system when the technology is proved to be workable," the aide said, but "no commitment" has been made.[23]

On November 14, French President Nicolas Sarkozy stated that plans for a U.S. missile shield in Central Europe were misguided, and wouldn't make the continent a safer place. "Deployment of a missile defense system would bring nothing to security ... it would complicate things, and would make them move backward," he said at a summit. He also warned Russian President Medvedev against upping tensions by deploying missiles in Kaliningrad in response to the planned U.S. missile defense system.[24]

On April 5, 2009, President Obama, during a speech in Prague, declared: "As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven."[25] President Obama continued to express conditional support for the program and sought to isolate it from U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control talks.[26]

On September 17, 2009, The White House issued a statement saying that the US "no longer planned to move forward" with the project. According to President Obama, new intelligence had shown Iran was pursuing short-range and medium-range missile development, rather than long-range, necessitating a shift in strategy.[27][28] The outlines of a reformulated, scaled-down project began to emerge in October, 2009.[6]
...}

Not only did we specifically try to put nuclear missiles in Poland, but any missile large enough can easily be fit
we did NOt try to put any nukes in poland you stupid fool

Your entrire post makes no mention of nukes those were CONVENTIONAL ABMs
 
Wrong AEGIS is a detection and guidance system, which works with any missile.
It does not specify a particular missile.
AEGIS can be used with cannon and no missiles.
Wrong you lying sack of shit it is both a guidance system and NON nuclear missiles
 
Bush was focused on the ME - ignoring an enemy is not the sane thing as aiding and abetting, which is what Carter and Clinton did.




Why is North Korea in its current position of nuclear power and aggression? Because of two former U.S. presidents.

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Jimmy Carter & Bill Clinton. They are to blame for North Korea.







Damn, it is amazing how morons will desperately try to re-write history IOT try to protect Democrats from recorded historic f*-ups.

That makes no sense, because North Korea always had nuclear reactors, and could have made nuclear weapons at any time. Why then did North Korea wait until after Bush attack Iraq, to create nuclear weapons?
 
{...
Since 2002, the U.S. had been in talks with Poland and other European countries over the possibility of setting up a European base to intercept long-range missiles. According to U.S. officials, a site similar to the American base in Alaska would help protect the US and Europe from missiles fired from the Middle East or North Africa. The Ustka-Wicko base of the Polish Army (at 54.554°N 16.620°E) was initially mentioned as a possible site of US missile interceptors. Poland's Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said in November 2005 he wanted to open up the public debate on whether Poland should host such a base.[7]

In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System.[8] However, in April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan.[9]

Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic.[10][11] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[12] Putin also said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States.[13][14]

On July 4, 2008, Poland did not agree on the conditions set forth by the United States regarding the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on its territory.[15]

On July 8, 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that if the missile defense system was approved, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods."[16]

On August 14, 2008, shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia war, the United States and Poland announced a deal to implement the missile defense system on Polish territory, with a tracking system placed in the Czech Republic. The Russians responded by saying such action "cannot go unpunished."[17] Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy, said, "The fact that this was signed in a period of a very difficult crisis in the relations between Russia and the United States over the situation in Georgia shows that, of course, the missile defense system will be deployed not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."[18]

A high-ranking Russian military officer warned Poland that it was exposing itself to attack by accepting a U.S. missile interceptor base on its soil. The deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that, "by deploying (the system), it is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent".[19]

On August 20, 2008, the "Agreement Between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Republic of Poland Concerning the Deployment of Ground-Based Ballistic Missile Defense Interceptors in the Territory of the Republic of Poland" was signed in Warsaw by US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Poland’s Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski.[20][21]

On November 5, 2008, in his first State of the Nation speech, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev stated, "From what we have seen in recent years—the creation of a missile defense system, the encirclement of Russia with military bases, the relentless expansion of NATO—we have gotten the clear impression that they are testing our strength." Russia would deploy short-range Iskander missiles to Russia's western enclave of Kaliningrad, sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania "to neutralize, if necessary, a missile defense system."[22]

On November 8, an aide to U.S. President-Elect Barack Obama denied a claim made by Polish President Lech Kaczyński's office, that a pledge had been made to go ahead with the missile defense system during a phone conversation between the two men. "His [Obama's] position is as it was throughout the campaign, that he supports deploying a missile defence system when the technology is proved to be workable," the aide said, but "no commitment" has been made.[23]

On November 14, French President Nicolas Sarkozy stated that plans for a U.S. missile shield in Central Europe were misguided, and wouldn't make the continent a safer place. "Deployment of a missile defense system would bring nothing to security ... it would complicate things, and would make them move backward," he said at a summit. He also warned Russian President Medvedev against upping tensions by deploying missiles in Kaliningrad in response to the planned U.S. missile defense system.[24]

On April 5, 2009, President Obama, during a speech in Prague, declared: "As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven."[25] President Obama continued to express conditional support for the program and sought to isolate it from U.S.-Russian nuclear arms control talks.[26]

On September 17, 2009, The White House issued a statement saying that the US "no longer planned to move forward" with the project. According to President Obama, new intelligence had shown Iran was pursuing short-range and medium-range missile development, rather than long-range, necessitating a shift in strategy.[27][28] The outlines of a reformulated, scaled-down project began to emerge in October, 2009.[6]
...}

Not only did we specifically try to put nuclear missiles in Poland, but any missile large enough can easily be fitted with a nuclear warhead.
Are you going to try to make the same claim Obama did, that they were to protect against an attack from Iran?
Your link mentions NOTHING about the missiles. You continue your quest to be the biggest liar on planet Earth!
 
That makes no sense, because North Korea always had nuclear reactors, and could have made nuclear weapons at any time. Why then did North Korea wait until after Bush attack Iraq, to create nuclear weapons?
That makes no sense, because North Korea always had nuclear reactors, and could have made nuclear weapons at any time. Why then did North Korea wait until after Bush attack Iraq, to create nuclear weapons?
Wrong you stupid jackass

Having a reactor does not equal the ability to make a nuke at any time it tyakes trmendous time and resources to create the right TYPE of reactor.
 

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