Annexing West Bank

[AzogtheDefiler]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event. The Zionists recruited Britain's military to run cover for their colonization.

What if it was? So what? Let’s say you’re right. You know there is no turning back so why constantly whine and complain. That never achieves anything.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

My time framework isn't the least bit arbritrary because the definition is related to specific events.

But why THAT event. Why not the 1948 event which removed Jews from places where Jews lived and to which Jews wish to return?

What you want to do is create a definition so open as to be meaningless.

Well no. I want to demonstrate the inherent bias of your thinking.

Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event. You want an open ended definition, not an objective one.

If you go withyour attempted definition then what all the Pakestinians who were ousted and reside in refugee camps?

Again I ask. Name one mostly Muslim country that is not a humanitarian disaster? You cannot so why would Israel allow another one to form? It would not. Until we address this issue the rest of the arguments are silly.

 

[rylah]

 

[rylah]

 

[ForeverYoung436]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event. The Zionists recruited Britain's military to run cover for their colonization.

What if it was? So what? Let’s say you’re right. You know there is no turning back so why constantly whine and complain. That never achieves anything.

I keep on telling him that.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

 

[rylah]

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

ISIS and Hamas on usmessageboard.com are against Jewish sovereignty in Judea?
Picture me surprised...

 

[Shusha]

Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event.

True only if you continue to frame "settlement" as applying uniquely to Jews/Israelis.

Example:

In 1931 two farmer families purchase land in what will become Area C and each family builds a village. One is Jewish. One is Arab.

In 1948 the Jews are expelled from their village. In 1967 the Arabs are expelled from their village.

Why is it that when the Jews return to their village, they are "settlers" building a "settlement" (with all the negative connotation which has been added to that word over time and has come to specifically mean Jews)?

And yet Arabs are "returning" or "liberating" land which "belongs" to them?


Example:

The JEWISH QUARTER of Jerusalem is considered a "settlement" in "occupied East Jerusalem". The JEWISH QUARTER.

 

[Shusha]

If you go withyour attempted definition then what all the Pakestinians who were ousted and reside in refugee camps?

Reside where and what about them? I don't understand your point.

 

[Shusha]

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event.

The return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the re-constitution of their sovereignty was ABSOLUTELY a pre-planned event. Planning began about 2000 years ago.

 

[Foxfyre]

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

Hamas and ISIS on usmessageboard.com are against Jewish sovereignty in Judea?
Picture me surprised...

Pretty much the entire Arab world and all who take its side against Israel are against Jewish sovereignty, or Jewish presence, pretty much anywhere and everywhere. The USA is the only reliable friend that Israel has, but so far that friendship has allowed 6+ million Jews (about 75% of the Israeli population) to enjoy the right to live, work, worship as they choose and be who they are in their own country. The USA had the largest Jewish population in the world until Israel surpassed it just recently.

Jews have been harassed, murdered, expelled, ostracized, and subjected to unimaginable unjustices and indignities throughout their very long recorded history with the worst being the torture, starvation, abuse, and eventually horrendous murder of more than 6 million Jews in the Holocaust. And it didn't stop there as this incomplete but fairly accurate history timeline reveals:

A History of the Jews, a list of expulsions for 2000 years

The Palestinians could have co-existed peacefully with the Jews in what is now Israel, but almost all chose to leave the country so that a coalition of Arab aggressors could exterminate all the Jews there.

But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return. This was unjust? I don't think so.

The Palestinians who didn't desert them were allowed to stay and they and their progeny have enjoyed full Israeli citizenship with all rights and benefits.

Look again at that map up there and see how tiny Israel is compared to all the Arabic lands and is only a speck in all the Islamic majority countries. A teensy little bit of land, smaller than the small state of New Jersey, but that represents 4,000+ years of Jewish occupation and is so important to the Jewish faith, culture, traditions.

Consider how the world has treated the Jews for all these centuries. Cannot we allow them that tiny sliver of land in peace?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event.

The return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the re-constitution of their sovereignty was ABSOLUTELY a pre-planned event. Planning began about 2000 years ago.

Religious Jews prayed for it 3x a day, and in every grace after meals. Soon will be the Passover seder. When we come to the part about returning to a rebuilt Jerusalem, my family sings and dances like crazy. There is a story that Napolean Bonaparte once walked into a synagogue on Tisha B'Av, the fast day commemorating Jerusalem's destruction and praying for its restoration. He said that a people still crying and fasting over a land lost 2,000 years ago, will surely one day return to it. A glass is broken at every Jewish wedding to commemorate Jerusalem. "How shall we sing the Lord's song in a strange land? If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, may my right hand lose its cunning. May my tongue cleave to to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember thee, if I do not raise Jerusalem above my chiefest joy."

 

[José]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

You never have any evidence of this, but simply repeat what the ones who want to destroy Israel taught you to say.

There are no "real Jews" compared to any other Jews.
There JEWS.

Nothing ironic. Only your endless learned hatred of Jews.

 

[Indeependent]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

Except Ancestry.com says you’re full of shit.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

Oh, so now the Palestinians are the "real Jews"! Their story keeps changing. First they were descended from the Canaanites, then the Philistines, and now they're Jews. You never explained why the poster child for Palestinian "resistance", Shirley Temper, has blond hair and blue eyes. Or why other blond-haired "Palestinians" occasionally pop up in Tinmore's pictures. Or why I once conversed with a blond-haired Palestinian at the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

Oh, so now the Palestinians are the "real Jews"! Their story keeps changing. First they were descended from the Canaanites, then the Philistines, and now they're Jews. You never explained why the poster child for Palestinian "resistance", Shirley Temper, has blond hair and blue eyes. Or why other blond-haired "Palestinians" occasionally pop up in Tinmore's pictures. Or why I once conversed with a blond-haired Palestinian at the Tomb of Abraham in Hebron.

He meant those Jews who were already there before the "Zionists", aka "European Jews" came. The ones who were there, ok. The ones who call themselves Zionists and came after 1897.... =Jews?

Learned nonsense from Christian and Muslim haters of Jews who cannot stand it that the Jews have escaped their grasp.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

Don't tell us that we Jews have no "nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one." You're from Spain, probably a Catholic, and you're confusing Judaism with Christianity and your "New Jerusalem" or the "Heavenly Jerusalem." We have an attachment to the earthly Jerusalem, as well as MANY other cities and towns in Eretz Israel, so none of this "let alone the rest of Palestine" applies to us..

 

[Shusha]

Europeans of Jewish faith <snip> with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine...

Wow. Quite amazing, then, isn't it, that Jews with no nationalism created (actually reconstituted) an actual NATION. How can you possibly explain how the LACK of Jewish nationalism created a Jewish NATION? How do you explain that? What could possibly drive the Jewish people to do ALL THAT WORK for no reason?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Originally posted by Foxfyre
But when the Israelis prevailed and defeated those aggressors, the Israelis would not allow Palestinians who wanted them destroyed to come back citing that they had forfeited any right of return.

Europeans of jewish faith without a single drop of semitic blood running through their veins and with no nationalist attachment to Jerusalem, let alone the rest of Palestine, only a religious, metaphysical one, telling the real "Jews" of Palestine who never left the homeland of their jewish ancestors that "they had forfeited any right of return".

Quite ironic.

JoseB that has zero to do with modern day Israel.