Annexing West Bank

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Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.
Both cover for each other and the Jihadi filth.

One used the term Caliphate several times referring to a solution,
the other literally posted a Hamas video calling to "Go murder Jews and die together!",
while sharing instructions for FBI investigations.

You know, laugh it off, ridicule, look away..."Just some people doing something somewhere"
 
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Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

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Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

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So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.

Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
 
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

49704.jpg
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

49704.jpg

So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.

Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
Suha Arafat is Christian.
 
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

49704.jpg
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

49704.jpg

So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.

Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
Suha Arafat is Christian.

So I guess she's descended from foreign Crusaders.
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, Ria_Longhorn, José, et al,

Some of this is fascinating, and some of this is very drawl.

Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.
So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.
So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.
So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.
Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
Suha Arafat is Christian.
(COMMENT)

But somewhere in all this, I lost how this all ties together with the: Question of Annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Palestinians descend from Canaanites, Philistines, Jews and all the other biblical peoples who inhabited their historical homeland.
Yet none know the meaning or even can pronounce the name of the land?

:www_MyEmoticons_com__shush:
 
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RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Indeependent, et al,

I thought I would fall back to a point where I at least understood the contributions.

I am probably slipping here. I had not heard this.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Jordan pays Israel to keep West Bank Arabs out of Jordan.
Bad Israel!
(COMMENT)

I can understand some of this. I can even see some of this in practice at the Allenby Crossing. But are the Jordanians really so concerned about what threat the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank represent?

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Indeependent, et al,

I thought I would fall back to a point where I at least understood the contributions.

I am probably slipping here. I had not heard this.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Jordan pays Israel to keep West Bank Arabs out of Jordan.
Bad Israel!
(COMMENT)

I can understand some of this. I can even see some of this in practice at the Allenby Crossing. But are the Jordanians really so concerned about what threat the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank represent?

Most Respectfully,
R
Jordan allowed 1.6 millions Palis in and didn’t realize they were creating a welfare state.
 
Caroline Glick: Prospects of Israeli Sovereignty

 
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

49704.jpg
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.

So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.


Big deal.

49704.jpg

So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.

Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
Suha Arafat is Christian.

Perhaps as she was raised Catholic. But she is on the record as saying that if she had a son, there would be ". . . “no greater honour” than to sacrifice him for the Palestinian cause." That sounds far more like militant Muslim than Christian. However though she sometimes wore a headband when she was with her husband, she never wore any Muslim garb, not even the headscarf. So who knows?
 
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RE: Annexing West Bank
P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, Ria_Longhorn, José, et al,

Some of this is fascinating, and some of this is very drawl.

Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.
So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.
So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.
So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.
Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
Suha Arafat is Christian.
(COMMENT)

But somewhere in all this, I lost how this all ties together with the: Question of Annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R

The discussion went into a tangent of the usual anti-Jewish sentiment, which Jose always gets into, that the Jews who immigrated to Palestine/Israel were foreign colonizers with not one drop of "Semitic" blood. I couldn't let that pass without educating him. He also said that the Jews only have a metaphysical, spiritual connection to Jerusalem, which doesn't even extend to the rest of Eretz Yisrael, or what he calls "Palestine." Again, I couldn't let these false statements pass without correcting his ignorance on these matters.
 

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.
Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

Why should I go an extra step and answer you when you continuously avoid my questions?
 
Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event.

True only if you continue to frame "settlement" as applying uniquely to Jews/Israelis.

Example:

In 1931 two farmer families purchase land in what will become Area C and each family builds a village. One is Jewish. One is Arab.

In 1948 the Jews are expelled from their village. In 1967 the Arabs are expelled from their village.

Why is it that when the Jews return to their village, they are "settlers" building a "settlement" (with all the negative connotation which has been added to that word over time and has come to specifically mean Jews)?

And yet Arabs are "returning" or "liberating" land which "belongs" to them?


Example:

The JEWISH QUARTER of Jerusalem is considered a "settlement" in "occupied East Jerusalem". The JEWISH QUARTER.

Because it IS in this case - and it isn't how I define - it is how ISRAEL defines it.

How many Arab settlements have been built since Israel occupied the land?
- and yes, at that time occupation was the correct term and the term used by the Israeli's themselves.

Not all or even most of those settlements exist on land previously owned by expelled Jews. You also forget - Palestinians were expelled. Where is their right to create settlements if we are going to be defining it so broadly as to be meaningless? How far back do you go ousting people? If you go back far enough everyone has a right to be there.

Settlements has a meaning and it doesn't have to be Jewish. But it does have to have a real definition, not just a convenient one. It's based on a program - a program with a religiously ordained purpose in this case, but it could be ethnic as well (such as what the Russians did) - of the deliberate settling of people in a region taken in war and under occupation and only that people. It is a program with an intent and typically government support with a motive of securing the territory. Not just people wandering in and moving in during natural migrations. In this case only ONE group gets to create settlements (unless you can give me an actual number of Arab settlements built since the territory was occupied).

It isn't about "right of return" it's about a specific program which has a direct impact on a two state solution. You can keep pretending it doesn't, but it isn't really up to the Jews to claim it doesn't, it's up to the Palestinians to determine whether or not settlements have an effect on the peace process. Just like the Palestinians can't claim "right of return" and Israel having to take in uptillion Palistinians should have no effect on the peace process. It does. From Israel's point of view, it's not up to the Palestinians to say what effects the peace process for the Israeli's.

What would your solution be? Please share.
Solution to what specifically?
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Indeependent, et al,

And this is the greatest danger to Israel.

Jordan allowed 1.6 millions Palis in and didn’t realize they were creating a welfare state.
(COMMENT)

If Israel admits the Arab Palestinians on mass; or if Israel annexes the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem and grants citizenship, they will increase the unemployment rolls and the health care rolls by more than:

Unemployment, youth ages 15-24: total: 40.7%
male: 36.4%
female: 60.8%​

This benefits no one.

The alternative of putting the Arab Palestinians in apprenticeship programs, and various aspects of engineering and construction, will add to the escrow of productive public works, and set the stage for business and commerce within the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jerusalem.

The trick will be to keep organized crime, protection rackets and confidence/fraud elements from interrupting the progress or somehow exploiting the positive impact. It will also require a crash course in law enforcement to stamp-out negative elements.

Most Respectfully,
R
 

Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.
Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

Why should I go an extra step and answer you when you continuously avoid my questions?
:lmao: I have answered more of your questions then you ever answer of mine. I will chalk this up to just another unfounded claim on your part.
 
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Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event.

True only if you continue to frame "settlement" as applying uniquely to Jews/Israelis.

Example:

In 1931 two farmer families purchase land in what will become Area C and each family builds a village. One is Jewish. One is Arab.

In 1948 the Jews are expelled from their village. In 1967 the Arabs are expelled from their village.

Why is it that when the Jews return to their village, they are "settlers" building a "settlement" (with all the negative connotation which has been added to that word over time and has come to specifically mean Jews)?

And yet Arabs are "returning" or "liberating" land which "belongs" to them?


Example:

The JEWISH QUARTER of Jerusalem is considered a "settlement" in "occupied East Jerusalem". The JEWISH QUARTER.

Because it IS in this case - and it isn't how I define - it is how ISRAEL defines it.

How many Arab settlements have been built since Israel occupied the land?
- and yes, at that time occupation was the correct term and the term used by the Israeli's themselves.

Not all or even most of those settlements exist on land previously owned by expelled Jews. You also forget - Palestinians were expelled. Where is their right to create settlements if we are going to be defining it so broadly as to be meaningless? How far back do you go ousting people? If you go back far enough everyone has a right to be there.

Settlements has a meaning and it doesn't have to be Jewish. But it does have to have a real definition, not just a convenient one. It's based on a program - a program with a religiously ordained purpose in this case, but it could be ethnic as well (such as what the Russians did) - of the deliberate settling of people in a region taken in war and under occupation and only that people. It is a program with an intent and typically government support with a motive of securing the territory. Not just people wandering in and moving in during natural migrations. In this case only ONE group gets to create settlements (unless you can give me an actual number of Arab settlements built since the territory was occupied).

It isn't about "right of return" it's about a specific program which has a direct impact on a two state solution. You can keep pretending it doesn't, but it isn't really up to the Jews to claim it doesn't, it's up to the Palestinians to determine whether or not settlements have an effect on the peace process. Just like the Palestinians can't claim "right of return" and Israel having to take in uptillion Palistinians should have no effect on the peace process. It does. From Israel's point of view, it's not up to the Palestinians to say what effects the peace process for the Israeli's.

What would your solution be? Please share.
Solution to what specifically?

To the debate of what should happen to end the conflict of Israel vs. Palestine.

Tinmore wants the end of Israel and I say "Palestinians" should leave for one of the other 50+ Islamic countries. What would your solution be?
 
Because the majority of the pop consists of filthy Jews...Coyote and Tinmore won’t say it but IMO they think it.

What a stupid thing to say.

Yet several people agree. Just my opinion based on your and Tinmores posts.
Link to a post of mine then.

Stupid people tend to agree with stupid posts. Yet they never seem to be able to support their claims.

Why should I go an extra step and answer you when you continuously avoid my questions?
:lmao: I have answered more of your questions then you ever answer of mine. I will chalk this up to just another unfounded claim on your part.

Have you? You just now responded to the most recent one. So we will politely agree to disagree.
 
Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event.

True only if you continue to frame "settlement" as applying uniquely to Jews/Israelis.

Example:

In 1931 two farmer families purchase land in what will become Area C and each family builds a village. One is Jewish. One is Arab.

In 1948 the Jews are expelled from their village. In 1967 the Arabs are expelled from their village.

Why is it that when the Jews return to their village, they are "settlers" building a "settlement" (with all the negative connotation which has been added to that word over time and has come to specifically mean Jews)?

And yet Arabs are "returning" or "liberating" land which "belongs" to them?


Example:

The JEWISH QUARTER of Jerusalem is considered a "settlement" in "occupied East Jerusalem". The JEWISH QUARTER.

Because it IS in this case - and it isn't how I define - it is how ISRAEL defines it.

How many Arab settlements have been built since Israel occupied the land?
- and yes, at that time occupation was the correct term and the term used by the Israeli's themselves.

Not all or even most of those settlements exist on land previously owned by expelled Jews. You also forget - Palestinians were expelled. Where is their right to create settlements if we are going to be defining it so broadly as to be meaningless? How far back do you go ousting people? If you go back far enough everyone has a right to be there.

Settlements has a meaning and it doesn't have to be Jewish. But it does have to have a real definition, not just a convenient one. It's based on a program - a program with a religiously ordained purpose in this case, but it could be ethnic as well (such as what the Russians did) - of the deliberate settling of people in a region taken in war and under occupation and only that people. It is a program with an intent and typically government support with a motive of securing the territory. Not just people wandering in and moving in during natural migrations. In this case only ONE group gets to create settlements (unless you can give me an actual number of Arab settlements built since the territory was occupied).

It isn't about "right of return" it's about a specific program which has a direct impact on a two state solution. You can keep pretending it doesn't, but it isn't really up to the Jews to claim it doesn't, it's up to the Palestinians to determine whether or not settlements have an effect on the peace process. Just like the Palestinians can't claim "right of return" and Israel having to take in uptillion Palistinians should have no effect on the peace process. It does. From Israel's point of view, it's not up to the Palestinians to say what effects the peace process for the Israeli's.
They weren’t expelled; they ran to the West Bank of Jordan.
Jordan won’t let them come any further east.
The bottom line is that Jordan lost that land in war and in 2019, Israel is no longer taking bullshit from the UN.
No matter what your feelings tell you.
It has nothing to do with my feelings but rather historical records as opposed to popular propoganda.
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
P F Tinmore, ForeverYoung436, Ria_Longhorn, José, et al,

Some of this is fascinating, and some of this is very drawl.

Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.
So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.
Palestine was invaded by a small number of Europeans during the Crusades and the Ottomans relocated to Palestine some people from european parts of the empire like Bosnia.
So every now and then a "crusader" or "bosnian" gene pops up and you have a blond, blue eyed Palestinian.
So, blond Suha Arafat, and the blue-eyed Amin al-Husseini are "bosnian". Got it.
Even if that's true about Mrs. Arafart and the others, Bosnian Muslims and their descendants are foreigners to the Land of Israel.
Suha Arafat is Christian.
(COMMENT)

But somewhere in all this, I lost how this all ties together with the: Question of Annexation.

Most Respectfully,
R

The discussion went into a tangent of the usual anti-Jewish sentiment, which Jose always gets into, that the Jews who immigrated to Palestine/Israel were foreign colonizers with not one drop of "Semitic" blood. I couldn't let that pass without educating him. He also said that the Jews only have a metaphysical, spiritual connection to Jerusalem, which doesn't even extend to the rest of Eretz Yisrael, or what he calls "Palestine." Again, I couldn't let these false statements pass without correcting his ignorance on these matters.

Absolutely.

Jews have probably been in Europe since Nebuchadnezzar drove Jews out of Judah in the 7th Century bc and most especially after the Romans drove almost all out of Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple the last time in 70 a.d and then drove out those who returned again in the 2nd Century a.d. The displaced Jews settled throughout the Middle East, in both eastern and western Europe, north Africa, eastern Asia. It was the fact that they did have semitic blood instead of being pure Aryan as Hitler demanded, that made the Jews his primary target to accuse, blame, persecute and eventually murder more than 6 million of them.

Despite all the efforts to destroy them, a remnant of the Jews have continuously occupied the land we now call Israel for more than 3,000 years and the faith and belief that what is now called Israel is the promised holy land given to the Jews by God has been an important component of the JudeoChristian tradition for all these millenia into current times.

The Holocaust is absolutely the justification for Israel as if all the other dark parts of Jewish history weren't sufficient justification enough for a long persecuted people to have a tiny sliver of land to call their homeland. Jerusalem was not a 'holy site' for the Muslims until the mid 20th Century when it was declared so for political purposes.
 
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