Annexing West Bank

[rylah]

Just another rubber stamp UN opinion. Odd how the UN opinion speaks to "Israeli aggression", never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel by multiple islamic terrorist franchises.

The UN similarly never addresses the failure of the Arabs-Moslems to make any concerted attempt at self-determination.

It's almost as though the UN opinion is just an exercise in wasting time.

never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel

Yes it does.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;​

I understand you want to insist the above grants an allowance for acts of war aimed at Israel and murderous acts of islamic terrorism but nothing prevents the Israeli government from affirming its right to self defense in the face of armed aggression.

Neither your korans, the Hamas charter nor a UN opinion will cause the Israeli government to abandon the protection of its citizenry.

Gee-had denied, sweetie.

Your gee-had canard is the Palestinians defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

And what was the excuse for Jihad before Israel?

I never said that there were no conflicts any time in the past. But, if you have to go back almost a hundreds years to find one, with no context, it does not look like a systemic problem.

You want to make this thread about the Arab pogroms?

Great! That's a topic we didn't explore too much. Let's just focus on the 50 year before Zionism.
We can discuss:

• The Looting of Safed
• The Looting of Tiberias
• The Pogrom of Jerusalem
• The 33 days of June expulsions from the 4 holy cities
• The Damascus Affair and the following Arab pogroms throughout the Caliphate
• Jizyah and the institutionalized Trippe Jew Tax
• "Protection" tax to local Arab bourgeoisie
• Abduction and forced conversion of girls who lost a father

All in the range of 50 years before Zionism,
Where should we start?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Yes it does.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;​

I understand you want to insist the above grants an allowance for acts of war aimed at Israel and murderous acts of islamic terrorism but nothing prevents the Israeli government from affirming its right to self defense in the face of armed aggression.

Neither your korans, the Hamas charter nor a UN opinion will cause the Israeli government to abandon the protection of its citizenry.

Gee-had denied, sweetie.

Your gee-had canard is the Palestinians defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

And what was the excuse for Jihad before Israel?

I never said that there were no conflicts any time in the past. But, if you have to go back almost a hundreds years to find one, with no context, it does not look like a systemic problem.

You want to make this thread about the Arab pogroms predating Zionism?

Great! That's a topic we didn't explore too much. Let's just focus on the 50 year before the 1st Zionist immigration.
We can discuss:

• The Looting of Safed
• The Looting of Tiberias
• The Pogrom of Jerusalem
• The 33 days June Pogroms and expulsions from the 4 holy cities
• The Damascus Affair and the following Arab pogroms throughout the Caliphate
• Jizyah and the institutionalized Trippe Jew Tax
• "Protection" tax to local Arab bourgeoisie
• Abduction and forced conversion of girls who lost a fathers

All in the range of 50 years before Zionism.
Where should we start?

B-b-but I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in "Palestine" in a blissful Paradise before Zionism! Do you mean to say that myth isn't true at all?

 

[rylah]

I understand you want to insist the above grants an allowance for acts of war aimed at Israel and murderous acts of islamic terrorism but nothing prevents the Israeli government from affirming its right to self defense in the face of armed aggression.

Neither your korans, the Hamas charter nor a UN opinion will cause the Israeli government to abandon the protection of its citizenry.

Gee-had denied, sweetie.

Your gee-had canard is the Palestinians defending themselves from Israeli aggression.

And what was the excuse for Jihad before Israel?

I never said that there were no conflicts any time in the past. But, if you have to go back almost a hundreds years to find one, with no context, it does not look like a systemic problem.

You want to make this thread about the Arab pogroms predating Zionism?

Great! That's a topic we didn't explore too much. Let's just focus on the 50 year before the 1st Zionist immigration.
We can discuss:

• The Looting of Safed
• The Looting of Tiberias
• The Pogrom of Jerusalem
• The 33 days June Pogroms and expulsions from the 4 holy cities
• The Damascus Affair and the following Arab pogroms throughout the Caliphate
• Jizyah and the institutionalized Trippe Jew Tax
• "Protection" tax to local Arab bourgeoisie
• Abduction and forced conversion of girls who lost a fathers

All in the range of 50 years before Zionism.
Where should we start?

B-b-but I thought Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in "Palestine" in a blissful Paradise before Zionism! Do you mean to say that myth isn't true at all?

My grand grandpa's father had to give away several shops in Jaffa,
just to save a fellow Jew and his daughters because he couldn't keep up with the "protection" payments.
Why? Because a Yahud had to pay to a Muslim for his skull with shame, it was specifically a favored spectacle all over the Caliphate. And it wasn't enough for our elders to receive that privilege on behalf of the community, but some just couldn't give up on the opportunity to "own" a family only for that specific humiliation, it wasn't even about the money, because they were all mostly starving poor.

I guess this sounds like P F Tinmore's socialist paradise...

 

[José]

Originally posted by rylah
My grand grandpa's father had to sell several shops in Jaffa

The poor, oppressed, downtrodden Jew was the owner of several shops in Jaffa.

Good to know...

 

[José]

Originally posted by rylah
Because they were all mostly starving poor.

Most palestinian Jews were ultra-orthodox so of course they were poor...

Oh my God!!!!

The big, bad, racist Ottoman Empire didn't want to pay Jews a good salary for them to spend all day reading the Torah...

This must be the worst case of apartheid ever!!!!

 

[rylah]

Originally posted by rylah
Because they were all mostly starving poor.

Most palestinian Jews were ultra-orthodox so of course they were poor...

Oh my God!!!!

The big, bad, racist Ottoman Empire didn't want to pay Jews a good salary for them to spend all day reading the Torah...

This must be the worst case of apartheid ever!!!!

If a Tripple Jew Tax isn't an example of an apartheid then nothing else could ever be.
Coincidently this is exactly what the Hamas leadership just declared as their short-term national plan:

1. Cleanse Palestine of the "filth of the Jews" by 2022
2. From the River to the Sea - establishment of Caliphate

Now You can start doing the Jihadi duck dance...

.

 

[rylah]

Anyway You look, there're only 3 natural choices:

1. Recognition of Jewish Sovereignty, national service and citizenship
2. Compensation if can't live in a Jewish country
3. Fight

Jewish sovereignty over Judea is inevitable.
There's no better match for that marriage, the bride already bears the groom's last-name.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Israel is the Jewish homeland and its time IMO to kick out the squatters in Hamas and Fatah.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Originally posted by rylah
Because they were all mostly starving poor.

Most palestinian Jews were ultra-orthodox so of course they were poor...

Oh my God!!!!

The big, bad, racist Ottoman Empire didn't want to pay Jews a good salary for them to spend all day reading the Torah...

This must be the worst case of apartheid ever!!!!

Why are we discussing ancient history? How many wars has Israel lost?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Excellent post. Thank you.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event. The Zionists recruited Britain's military to run cover for their colonization.

 

[rylah]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event. The Zionists recruited Britain's military to run cover for their colonization.

And Arabs literally allied with and joined the lines of the British army.
Jews were the ones who kicked the Brits out.

Feel smart yet?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event. The Zionists recruited Britain's military to run cover for their colonization.

And Arabs literally allied with and joined the lines of the British army.
Jews were the ones who kicked the Brits out.

Feel smart yet?

Which Arabs? Who?

 

[rylah]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh this is just so sad. But I have to be honest I can't give you a good summary on the causes of the Great War. Yes, everyone knows the trigger was the assassination of the (Austrian) Archduke Franz Ferdinand (and the Duchess of Hohenberg). But the causes of the Great War are not the key issue in this misinformation. All that immediately needs to be understood is that the Ottoman Empire (Central Powers) was engulfed in the war opposed by the Allied Powers. And the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire was the sovereign over the territory you characterize here as the subject of an "Unprovoked occupation/colonization."

Unprovoked occupation/colonization is the initial aggression. The Palestinians have been defending themselves for a hundred years.

(COMMENT)

But make no mistake, the claim by the Arab Palestinians of today HAVE BEEN defending themselves for a century is → pure theater. The Allied Powers came into direct control of the Middle East as an outcome of the Great War and the Armistice of Mudros (1918). Under the Armistice (Clause XVI), documented the "surrender of all garrisons in Hedjaz, Assir, Yemen, Syria, and Mesopotamia to the nearest Allied Commander." It was then, that the Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (OETA) came into existence and included what became known as the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, or just (short titled) "Palestine."

The Jewish immigration and the controlled close settlement by Jews on the land, was pursuant to the agreement between the Allied Powers to put into effect the Balfour Declaration.

(SUMMARY)

❖ The occupation was NOT "unprovoked." That is pure fantasy and pure misinformation for propaganda purposes.

❖ There was NO colonization. It was an effort → agreed upon by the Allied Powers → to facilitate Jewish immigration for all Jews who were willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash! The occupation/colonization of Palestine was a pre planned event. The Zionists recruited Britain's military to run cover for their colonization.

And Arabs literally allied with and joined the lines of the British army.
Jews were the ones who kicked the Brits out.

Feel smart yet?

Which Arabs? Who?

The same Arabs who proclaimed to be the subjects of King Faisal of Arabia,
and allied with Britain in hopes for complete Arab domination over the entire middle east.

Even the so called "Palestinian flag" is an invention of the British army.



The Arab Revolt, 1916-18 - The Ottoman Empire | NZHistory, New Zealand history online

 

[rylah]

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Jordan or 21 other Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia, which gave the Arabs their name.

 

[Foxfyre]

RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This list comes from the application of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 pertaining to Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

• Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization) •

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).


The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.​

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.​

(AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY)

If you actually go to the Committee 24 List of NSGTs, you will not find Palestine, the Occupied Territories, or the West Bank - Jerusalem - Gaza Strip listed. You will notice that there are 4 Colonial Administrating Powers remaining in the world (US, UK, France, New Zealand). At one point, the territories were held in trust under Article 77a of the UN Charter; but not since the creation of Committee 24. It is correct to say that "Israel" is not (identified by Committee 24 as) a Colonial Power over the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). Further, the oPt are not listed as a colonial holding of any nation. There are a number of reasons for this (which I won't go into here), and a key point you should take away from this is that when the pro-Arab Palestinian advocates bring this up, they are quite deliberately injecting "misinformation" for propaganda purposes.

Now I have had pro-Arab Palestinian advocates imply that they know better than Committee 24 as to how to apply the Decolonization Program. You be the judge.

(COMMENT)

Items #1 thru #3 cited by our friend PF Tinmore, are relatively close to the intent of the Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). But it is important to note that:

◈ Israel is not involved thin the exploitation of the Arab Palestinians of the (socalled) oPt. Israel is not exploiting Arab Palestinians labor, or denying any fundemental human rights. However, Israel does attempt to meet the International Requirement to take such measures as may be necessary to restore, and ensure public order and safety, to the extent to such territory where Israeli authority has been established. (Hague Convention 1907)

◈ Israel has not denied the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip the right to self-determination and establish such a state able to stand by itself under the strenuous conditions of the modern world. Nor does Israel actually deny the Arab Palestinians the right to establish a corrupt government.

As many as 81% of the Palestinians living in the occupied Palestinian territory believe there is corruption in Palestinian Authority institutions according to a recent survey, perceptions reinforced by the recently launched annual report of the Palestinian Coalition for Accountability and Integrity (AMAN), the Transparency International chapter in Palestine. These perceptions persist despite former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s much-touted state-building efforts to root out corruption - and are at variance with international reports finding that suggest improvement in good governance.
SOURCE: Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System, by Tariq Dana

Item #3 is absurd. Freedoms and the recognitions of those freedoms are not a "suicide pact;" no matter how traditional the suicide is to the Islamic culture. It is simply insane to suggest that any responsible patron for Palestinian would suggest the creation of another failed state. You simply don't do that; there must be a reasonable chance for success.

Item #4. Wrong! → Articles 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. It is especially wrong when the proposed state in question has, imbedded within the governement, know terrorist sympathizers and government sponsored terrorist and terrorist organizations.

Items #5 thru #7 are merely variations on the theme already discussed, supra.

Most Respectfully,
R

Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian
people to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to
Palestine and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Just another rubber stamp UN opinion. Odd how the UN opinion speaks to "Israeli aggression", never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel by multiple islamic terrorist franchises.

The UN similarly never addresses the failure of the Arabs-Moslems to make any concerted attempt at self-determination.

It's almost as though the UN opinion is just an exercise in wasting time.

To the best of my knowledge, with the exception of establishing Israel in 1948 as a country intended to be a refuge for Jews persecuted and/or displaced during the WWII years, the UN has been extremely tepid and ineffective, pretty much not recognizing Israel's side in much of anything. For decades now, most of the UN is increasingly represented by people who resent or hate the Jews and the Israelis cannot look to the UN to look out for its interests in any way.

If we look for resolutions from the U.N. condemning Hamas, Hezbollah, and other anti-Israel organizations and their repeated intended to be deadly aggression toward Israel, we might have to wait a good long while. But the UN does frequently condemn Israel for responding to such aggression.

Trump must enjoin UN to condemn Hezbollah, UNIFIL and Hamas

 

[Coyote]

My time framework isn't the least bit arbritrary because the definition is related to specific events.

But why THAT event. Why not the 1948 event which removed Jews from places where Jews lived and to which Jews wish to return?

What you want to do is create a definition so open as to be meaningless.

Well no. I want to demonstrate the inherent bias of your thinking.

Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event. You want an open ended definition, not an objective one.

If you go withyour attempted definition then what all the Pakestinians who were ousted and reside in refugee camps?

 

[rylah]

My time framework isn't the least bit arbritrary because the definition is related to specific events.

But why THAT event. Why not the 1948 event which removed Jews from places where Jews lived and to which Jews wish to return?

What you want to do is create a definition so open as to be meaningless.

Well no. I want to demonstrate the inherent bias of your thinking.

Because the settlement program did not exist prior to that event. You want an open ended definition, not an objective one.

If you go withyour attempted definition then what all the Pakestinians who were ousted and reside in refugee camps?

You're trying to make special definitions for Jews, don't blame Shusha for pointing to the bias.
When were the first neighborhoods outside the walls of Jerusalem built?

Arabs refer to their construction projects as 'settlements', but only Jews given that adjective.
Why?