Annexing West Bank

Okay, so you "believe" in this. I get it. The problem is that it doesn't give any specifics about what should be done practically.

Late edit: in furtherance of the post by Shusha, above, a show of hands please. Who expects that the “Pal’istanians” would be willing and able to abide by the UN declaration?

While I prefer that PF Tinmore not feel the need to dump YouTube videos into the thread, there are some obvious problems with implementation of the goals in the UN declaration.

Conscious of the need for the creation of conditions of stability and well-being and peaceful and friendly relations based on respect for the principles of equal rights and self-determination of all peoples, and of universal respect for, and observance of, human rights and fundamental freedoms for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion,”

With regard to the section above, can anyone identify an Islamic majority nation on the planet where those values as noted are practiced?

Anybody?

Principles of equal rights, respect for rule of law and observance of human rights are not the principles of Islamist sharia.

That is precisely why I don't understand how the Muslims became the darlings of liberals. Muslims seem to go against everything liberals believe in, such as equal rights for all, including women and gay ppl. Yet liberals love them and always champion their cause. An oxymoron.
Maybe, becsuse like Jews and Christians they arent all the same. Why does the right feel it is so importent to demonize them?

Let me point out fundamentalist sects, Christian, Muslim, Hindu and even Jews, suck for women and rights.

I am a Jew and my wife has the same rights as I do...more if you ask her. Plus we can leave the religion at any time with zero repercussions. Don’t conflate Judaism with Islam. Ever.

On the other hand, a Hasidic Jewish woman follows many of the same social strictures as a conservative Muslim woman. She must pray seoerateky, cover her limbs and hair, ride in th3 back of the bus, submit to the man, and if she were to leave or marry outside her faith she would be caste out of her community.

There is a lot of variety within a faith that you ignore.

Intermarriage is forbidden to both ultra-Orthodox and Hasidic women AND men. A Hasidic man who marries outside the faith would likely also be cast out of his community. Also, I have known men who left their Hasidic community because the laws and rules were too restrictive and strict for them. That is the subject of Potok's novels "The Chosen" and "My Name Is Asher Lev", which were based on his own life experiences. When my father cut off his Peyot (very long sideburns) as a child, he was beaten by his parents. So it's not a gender issue.
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.



(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R
Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Conquest is not theft. So you believe the Colonists
Stole the US? Only solution is war and winner take all IMO.
They did, but back then conquest was not illegal. There was no international law. Conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

Before 1948 the colonies were funded by foreign money. Israel conquered a country with a fully functioning economy. Israel stole the entire country including robbing the banks. Since then, Israel continues to live off of foreign money.

What country did Israel conquer?

Link?

What entire country did Israel steal?

Link?

Do you expect such nonsensical, emotional outbursts to be taken seriously?

Link?
 
Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Conquest is not theft. So you believe the Colonists
Stole the US? Only solution is war and winner take all IMO.
They did, but back then conquest was not illegal. There was no international law. Conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

Before 1948 the colonies were funded by foreign money. Israel conquered a country with a fully functioning economy. Israel stole the entire country including robbing the banks. Since then, Israel continues to live off of foreign money.

What country did Israel conquer?

Link?

What entire country did Israel steal?

Link?

Do you expect such nonsensical, emotional outbursts to be taken seriously?

Link?
A million Palestinian citizens living in Palestine with no need for foreign aid. And Israeli bullshit says there was no Palestine. :eusa_doh::eusa_doh::eusa_doh: :cuckoo:
 
Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Conquest is not theft. So you believe the Colonists
Stole the US? Only solution is war and winner take all IMO.
They did, but back then conquest was not illegal. There was no international law. Conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

Before 1948 the colonies were funded by foreign money. Israel conquered a country with a fully functioning economy. Israel stole the entire country including robbing the banks. Since then, Israel continues to live off of foreign money.

What country did Israel conquer?

Link?

What entire country did Israel steal?

Link?

Do you expect such nonsensical, emotional outbursts to be taken seriously?

Link?
A million Palestinian citizens living in Palestine with no need for foreign aid. And Israeli bullshit says there was no Palestine. :eusa_doh::eusa_doh::eusa_doh: :cuckoo:

Did You lose the ability to compose coherent sentences
after spending time with Your Jihadi welfare frauds?

Relax, and no need for rage tantrums, we're only laughing at You.
I'm sure in another 100 years Your frauds might eventually learn to pronounce the name of the countries they squatter, who knows Arabs might eventually even learn to pronounce the word "Palestine".

:slap:
 
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RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This list comes from the application of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 pertaining to Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.


Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)


The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).


The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.



1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
(AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY)

If you actually go to the Committee 24 List of NSGTs, you will not find Palestine, the Occupied Territories, or the West Bank - Jerusalem - Gaza Strip listed. You will notice that there are 4 Colonial Administrating Powers remaining in the world (US, UK, France, New Zealand). At one point, the territories were held in trust under Article 77a of the UN Charter; but not since the creation of Committee 24. It is correct to say that "Israel" is not (identified by Committee 24 as) a Colonial Power over the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). Further, the oPt are not listed as a colonial holding of any nation. There are a number of reasons for this (which I won't go into here), and a key point you should take away from this is that when the pro-Arab Palestinian advocates bring this up, they are quite deliberately injecting "misinformation" for propaganda purposes.

Now I have had pro-Arab Palestinian advocates imply that they know better than Committee 24 as to how to apply the Decolonization Program. You be the judge.

(COMMENT)

Items #1 thru #3 cited by our friend PF Tinmore, are relatively close to the intent of the Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). But it is important to note that:

◈ Israel is not involved thin the exploitation of the Arab Palestinians of the (socalled) oPt. Israel is not exploiting Arab Palestinians labor, or denying any fundemental human rights. However, Israel does attempt to meet the International Requirement to take such measures as may be necessary to restore, and ensure public order and safety, to the extent to such territory where Israeli authority has been established. (Hague Convention 1907)

◈ Israel has not denied the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip the right to self-determination and establish such a state able to stand by itself under the strenuous conditions of the modern world. Nor does Israel actually deny the Arab Palestinians the right to establish a corrupt government.

The Palestinian Policy Network said:
As many as 81% of the Palestinians living in the occupied Palestinian territory believe there is corruption in Palestinian Authority institutions according to a recent survey, perceptions reinforced by the recently launched annual report of the Palestinian Coalition for Accountability and Integrity (AMAN), the Transparency International chapter in Palestine. These perceptions persist despite former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s much-touted state-building efforts to root out corruption - and are at variance with international reports finding that suggest improvement in good governance.
SOURCE: Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System, by Tariq Dana

Item #3 is absurd. Freedoms and the recognitions of those freedoms are not a "suicide pact;" no matter how traditional the suicide is to the Islamic culture. It is simply insane to suggest that any responsible patron for Palestinian would suggest the creation of another failed state. You simply don't do that; there must be a reasonable chance for success.

Item #4. Wrong! → Articles 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. It is especially wrong when the proposed state in question has, imbedded within the governement, know terrorist sympathizers and government sponsored terrorist and terrorist organizations.

Items #5 thru #7 are merely variations on the theme already discussed, supra.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

"There are no secrets to success.
It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure."
Colin Powell
Read more at: Search Results

Right now, the face or → how we see and interpret the cultural image of the Arab Palestinian (of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip) is characterized (nation-state personality) as a belligerent Arab Subculture with a very deep propensity for violence. Many people, just on hearing the name "Palestinian" are struck by an uneasiness. For many people conjures a mental picture. In your computer, query the name "Palestinian" and ask for images.



(COMMENT)

Everyone understands that to change the image of the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip; requires a sincere (and maybe a very expensive) effort from both Israel and the Palestinians. And being that the Israelis are much higher on the scale for Human Development, initially (at least - probably a little longer) they will have to commit to the Lions share of the effort (Posting #148).

Most Respectfully,
R
Your usual smear piece.

Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Conquest is not theft. So you believe the Colonists
Stole the US? Only solution is war and winner take all IMO.
They did, but back then conquest was not illegal. There was no international law. Conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

Before 1948 the colonies were funded by foreign money. Israel conquered a country with a fully functioning economy. Israel stole the entire country including robbing the banks. Since then, Israel continues to live off of foreign money.

Really? Who was the President of “Palestine” in 1946? The Soviet Union conquered quite a few countries post WW2...no one said anything. Conquest is not theft.
 
I have Asked Tinmore for his solution like 10x and he always dodges. And he will again. He just likes to complain.
The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

Okay, so you "believe" in this. I get it. The problem is that it doesn't give any specifics about what should be done practically.
Actually it is quite specific as to what should be done.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.​

Again who was the President or PM of “Palestine” in 1946? What was the currency? Where was the capital building? You claim it was a sovereign nation and I disagree.
 
Your hurt feelings regarding Israel being higher on the human development index vs. Arabs-Moslems in the disputed territories is not a smear. Don’t let your hurt feelings get in the way of cutting and pasting your usual slogans.
With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Conquest is not theft. So you believe the Colonists
Stole the US? Only solution is war and winner take all IMO.
They did, but back then conquest was not illegal. There was no international law. Conquest was illegal when Israel conquered Palestine.

Before 1948 the colonies were funded by foreign money. Israel conquered a country with a fully functioning economy. Israel stole the entire country including robbing the banks. Since then, Israel continues to live off of foreign money.

What country did Israel conquer?

Link?

What entire country did Israel steal?

Link?

Do you expect such nonsensical, emotional outbursts to be taken seriously?

Link?
A million Palestinian citizens living in Palestine with no need for foreign aid. And Israeli bullshit says there was no Palestine. :eusa_doh::eusa_doh::eusa_doh: :cuckoo:

Their passports said “Palestine”? Who was their elected President or PM?
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

Remembering that both Judaism and Christianity have their roots as Abrahmic in common. Thus much of the basic foundations are similar.

So why the hell is it that with these religions and Christianity and Judaism in their conservative sects, women are most decidedly not equal?
(COMMENT)

Liberation theology leads to Feminist theologians start changing biblical traditions that affect all three Abrahamic Religions. It not only had an impact on religious matters but other sciences as well, Both Hypatia of Alexandria and Emilie du Chatelet → 13th centuries later, fell in against educated females with an opinion and a voice.

It is my opinion that women in the 20th Century, are just coming of age. From the time of Marie Curie, to the present day Michelle Haupt has really come of age in the last two centuries in science and well as the Ordination of women deacons, priests and bishops are relatively new in the history of humanity.

The similarities in the three Abrahamic Religions are advancing with Islam lagging far, far, behind. And this lag is representative of the kind and type of critical thinking that creates barriers in political and philosophical understanding (including the recognition of women) Generally speaking, the closer any particular sect is to fundamentalism or application of following the 6th Century Islam, the more likely the women are relegated to non-leadership roles.

Just my thought as a layman on the subject.


Most Respectfully,
R
What is noteworthy is this advancement seems to go along with education, the adoption of western values, and the decline of religious influences on government. For example Muslin attitudes towards women and homosexuals in the US is in line with other religious demographic groups and even more toletant tban some.
 
Tehillim - Psalms

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slight off topic digression but love that song! Bony M....
 
Here is the thing Shusha. We both strongly disagree on settlements and their impact on the peace process and we have gone down that road many times so I doubt we will change each others minds.

No...I do not think existing ones should be dismantled. And you forget...Jews will also have to accept Moooooslims living amongst them as well. How many Arab settlements are there in Area C?

Depends on where you get your stats, and how you count them, but, in all of Area C? About 250 Arab settlements.
Settlements or previously existing villages? Can you provide a link?

Define the difference between a settlement and a previously existing village. Objectively.
Settlements HAVE a definition, we dont get to make up our own.

Here is one definition from a pro-Israrli source: Facts About Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

The term “Settlements” usually refers to the towns and villages that Jews have established in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip since Israel captured the area in the Six-Day War of 1967. In many cases, the settlements are in the same area which flourishing Jewish communities have lived for thousands of years.

And one from more of a pro-Palestinian view: Israeli settlement - Wikipedia

Israeli settlements are civilian communitieshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement#endnote_descinhabited by Israeli citizens, almost exclusively of Jewish ethnicity,[1][2] built predominantly on lands within the Palestinian territories, which Israel has militarily occupiedsince the 1967 Six-Day War,[3] and partly on lands considered Syrian territory also militarily occupied by Israel since the 1967 war. Such settlements within Palestinian territories currently exist in Area C of the West Bank and in East Jerusalem, and within Syrian territory in the Golan Heights.


If we tried for an objective definition it would be something lime this:

A deliberate program where one nation created settlements of foreign nationals in territory it took and occupied as a result of war who's status is not yet resolved. The time frame would be 1967 to present.
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ Coyote, et al,

Remembering that both Judaism and Christianity have their roots as Abrahmic in common. Thus much of the basic foundations are similar.

So why the hell is it that with these religions and Christianity and Judaism in their conservative sects, women are most decidedly not equal?
(COMMENT)

Liberation theology leads to Feminist theologians start changing biblical traditions that affect all three Abrahamic Religions. It not only had an impact on religious matters but other sciences as well, Both Hypatia of Alexandria and Emilie du Chatelet → 13th centuries later, fell in against educated females with an opinion and a voice.

It is my opinion that women in the 20th Century, are just coming of age. From the time of Marie Curie, to the present day Michelle Haupt has really come of age in the last two centuries in science and well as the Ordination of women deacons, priests and bishops are relatively new in the history of humanity.

The similarities in the three Abrahamic Religions are advancing with Islam lagging far, far, behind. And this lag is representative of the kind and type of critical thinking that creates barriers in political and philosophical understanding (including the recognition of women) Generally speaking, the closer any particular sect is to fundamentalism or application of following the 6th Century Islam, the more likely the women are relegated to non-leadership roles.

Just my thought as a layman on the subject.


Most Respectfully,
R
What is noteworthy is this advancement seems to go along with education, the adoption of western values, and the decline of religious influences on government. For example Muslin attitudes towards women and homosexuals in the US is in line with other religious demographic groups and even more toletant tban some.

Do you know any Muslim women? I do. And yes, while their lives are somewhat less restrictive in the U.S.A. than they would be in say Saudi Arabia or Iran, don't make the mistake of thinking that Islam does not intend for the U.S.A. to be under the authority of Allah. You are unlikely to find any practicing Muslim who will say that.

I am NOT saying that my Muslim neighbors, friends, associates, and my gastroenterologist are not lovely people. They all are. And I am not afraid of any of them personally and enjoy their company. But I know and they know that there is a long term agenda at work that will be achieved, they say, more likely peacefully than not, but it will be achieved that the whole world be under the authority of Allah.

Tawfik Hamid, a former aspiring terrorist, accurately observes that “the proliferation of the hijab is strongly correlated with increased terrorism…. Terrorism became much more frequent in such societies as Indonesia, Egypt, Algeria, and the U.K. after the hijab became prevalent among Muslim women living in those communities.”

The reason for this correlation is clear: Islamic Sharia commands jihad (“terrorism”) against unbelievers no less than it commands Muslim women to don the hijab. Where one proliferates—evincing a societal adherence to Sharia—so too will the other naturally follow.

In other words, Muslims who adhere to non-problematic aspects of Islam also tend to adhere to problematic aspects of Islam. Why? Because the selfsame source—Sharia—contains both “moderate” and “radical” teachings (distinctions that exist only in the Western mind).

In this regard, consider the findings of an important 2011 Arabic language article titled (in translation), “The Truth about the Moderate Muslim as Seen by the West and its Muslim Followers.” Its author, Dr. Ahmed Ibrahim Khadr writes:

Islamic researchers are agreed that what the West and its followers call “moderate Islam” and “moderate Muslims” is simply a slur against Islam and Muslims, a distortion of Islam… They also see that the division of Islam into “moderate Islam” and “radical Islam” has no basis in Islam—neither in its doctrines and rulings, nor in its understandings or reality. . . .
Does the Hijab Reflect “Adherence to Sharia Law”? - Raymond Ibrahim
Hopefully if the Israelis do annex the West Bank, they will be able to accommodate a much less restrictive situation for the Palestinians that live in the West Bank. About 20% of the Israeli population is Arab and they are full Israeli citizens with representation on the Knesset. But they will never be allowed majority status or majority representation on the Knesset because the result would result in the destruction of Israel no matter how good citizens they are at present.
 
Here is the thing Shusha. We both strongly disagree on settlements and their impact on the peace process and we have gone down that road many times so I doubt we will change each others minds.

No...I do not think existing ones should be dismantled. And you forget...Jews will also have to accept Moooooslims living amongst them as well. How many Arab settlements are there in Area C?

Depends on where you get your stats, and how you count them, but, in all of Area C? About 250 Arab settlements.
Settlements or previously existing villages? Can you provide a link?

Define the difference between a settlement and a previously existing village. Objectively.
Settlements HAVE a definition, we dont get to make up our own.

Here is one definition from a pro-Israrli source: Facts About Jewish Settlements in the West Bank

The term “Settlements” usually refers to the towns and villages that Jews have established in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) and the Gaza Strip since Israel captured the area in the Six-Day War of 1967. In many cases, the settlements are in the same area which flourishing Jewish communities have lived for thousands of years.

And one from more of a pro-Palestinian view: Israeli settlement - Wikipedia

Israeli settlements are civilian communitiesinhabited by Israeli citizens, almost exclusively of Jewish ethnicity,[1][2] built predominantly on lands within the Palestinian territories, which Israel has militarily occupiedsince the 1967 Six-Day War,[3] and partly on lands considered Syrian territory also militarily occupied by Israel since the 1967 war. Such settlements within Palestinian territories currently exist in Area C of the West Bank and in East Jerusalem, and within Syrian territory in the Golan Heights.


If we tried for an objective definition it would be something lime this:

A deliberate program where one nation created settlements of foreign nationals in territory it took and occupied as a result of war who's status is not yet resolved. The time frame would be 1967 to present.
Jews are foreign nationals in Judea? Objective?!

:uhh:

No really, we don't need new definitions,
just spare us the privilege of turning the original ones on their head.
 
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On Saturday, Netanyahu said he would annex the West Bank (or Judea and Samaria, as they are known in the Bible) to Israel if he would be re-elected Prime Minister on Tuesday. Do y'all think that this is a good idea?
Absolutely. Neither Gaza, or The West Bank should be squatted on by the so called Palestinians. Their so called homeland has been declared to be The East Bank for the last 100 years.....or Transjordan.
 
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Saar falls... in Golan. Saar?

Hebrew for the noun, "Storm." And in its male equivalent. An ancient name for an ancient time that is returning.

:thup:
 
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RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This list comes from the application of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 pertaining to Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).



The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
(AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY)

If you actually go to the Committee 24 List of NSGTs, you will not find Palestine, the Occupied Territories, or the West Bank - Jerusalem - Gaza Strip listed. You will notice that there are 4 Colonial Administrating Powers remaining in the world (US, UK, France, New Zealand). At one point, the territories were held in trust under Article 77a of the UN Charter; but not since the creation of Committee 24. It is correct to say that "Israel" is not (identified by Committee 24 as) a Colonial Power over the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). Further, the oPt are not listed as a colonial holding of any nation. There are a number of reasons for this (which I won't go into here), and a key point you should take away from this is that when the pro-Arab Palestinian advocates bring this up, they are quite deliberately injecting "misinformation" for propaganda purposes.

Now I have had pro-Arab Palestinian advocates imply that they know better than Committee 24 as to how to apply the Decolonization Program. You be the judge.

(COMMENT)

Items #1 thru #3 cited by our friend PF Tinmore, are relatively close to the intent of the Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). But it is important to note that:

◈ Israel is not involved thin the exploitation of the Arab Palestinians of the (socalled) oPt. Israel is not exploiting Arab Palestinians labor, or denying any fundemental human rights. However, Israel does attempt to meet the International Requirement to take such measures as may be necessary to restore, and ensure public order and safety, to the extent to such territory where Israeli authority has been established. (Hague Convention 1907)

◈ Israel has not denied the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip the right to self-determination and establish such a state able to stand by itself under the strenuous conditions of the modern world. Nor does Israel actually deny the Arab Palestinians the right to establish a corrupt government.

The Palestinian Policy Network said:
As many as 81% of the Palestinians living in the occupied Palestinian territory believe there is corruption in Palestinian Authority institutions according to a recent survey, perceptions reinforced by the recently launched annual report of the Palestinian Coalition for Accountability and Integrity (AMAN), the Transparency International chapter in Palestine. These perceptions persist despite former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s much-touted state-building efforts to root out corruption - and are at variance with international reports finding that suggest improvement in good governance.
SOURCE: Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System, by Tariq Dana

Item #3 is absurd. Freedoms and the recognitions of those freedoms are not a "suicide pact;" no matter how traditional the suicide is to the Islamic culture. It is simply insane to suggest that any responsible patron for Palestinian would suggest the creation of another failed state. You simply don't do that; there must be a reasonable chance for success.

Item #4. Wrong! → Articles 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. It is especially wrong when the proposed state in question has, imbedded within the governement, know terrorist sympathizers and government sponsored terrorist and terrorist organizations.

Items #5 thru #7 are merely variations on the theme already discussed, supra.

Most Respectfully,
R
Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian
people
to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to
Palestine
and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This list comes from the application of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 pertaining to Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).



The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
(AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY)

If you actually go to the Committee 24 List of NSGTs, you will not find Palestine, the Occupied Territories, or the West Bank - Jerusalem - Gaza Strip listed. You will notice that there are 4 Colonial Administrating Powers remaining in the world (US, UK, France, New Zealand). At one point, the territories were held in trust under Article 77a of the UN Charter; but not since the creation of Committee 24. It is correct to say that "Israel" is not (identified by Committee 24 as) a Colonial Power over the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). Further, the oPt are not listed as a colonial holding of any nation. There are a number of reasons for this (which I won't go into here), and a key point you should take away from this is that when the pro-Arab Palestinian advocates bring this up, they are quite deliberately injecting "misinformation" for propaganda purposes.

Now I have had pro-Arab Palestinian advocates imply that they know better than Committee 24 as to how to apply the Decolonization Program. You be the judge.

(COMMENT)

Items #1 thru #3 cited by our friend PF Tinmore, are relatively close to the intent of the Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). But it is important to note that:

◈ Israel is not involved thin the exploitation of the Arab Palestinians of the (socalled) oPt. Israel is not exploiting Arab Palestinians labor, or denying any fundemental human rights. However, Israel does attempt to meet the International Requirement to take such measures as may be necessary to restore, and ensure public order and safety, to the extent to such territory where Israeli authority has been established. (Hague Convention 1907)

◈ Israel has not denied the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip the right to self-determination and establish such a state able to stand by itself under the strenuous conditions of the modern world. Nor does Israel actually deny the Arab Palestinians the right to establish a corrupt government.

The Palestinian Policy Network said:
As many as 81% of the Palestinians living in the occupied Palestinian territory believe there is corruption in Palestinian Authority institutions according to a recent survey, perceptions reinforced by the recently launched annual report of the Palestinian Coalition for Accountability and Integrity (AMAN), the Transparency International chapter in Palestine. These perceptions persist despite former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s much-touted state-building efforts to root out corruption - and are at variance with international reports finding that suggest improvement in good governance.
SOURCE: Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System, by Tariq Dana

Item #3 is absurd. Freedoms and the recognitions of those freedoms are not a "suicide pact;" no matter how traditional the suicide is to the Islamic culture. It is simply insane to suggest that any responsible patron for Palestinian would suggest the creation of another failed state. You simply don't do that; there must be a reasonable chance for success.

Item #4. Wrong! → Articles 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. It is especially wrong when the proposed state in question has, imbedded within the governement, know terrorist sympathizers and government sponsored terrorist and terrorist organizations.

Items #5 thru #7 are merely variations on the theme already discussed, supra.

Most Respectfully,
R
Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian
people
to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to
Palestine
and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Just another rubber stamp UN opinion. Odd how the UN opinion speaks to "Israeli aggression", never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel by multiple islamic terrorist franchises.

The UN similarly never addresses the failure of the Arabs-Moslems to make any concerted attempt at self-determination.

It's almost as though the UN opinion is just an exercise in wasting time.
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This list comes from the application of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 pertaining to Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).



The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
(AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY)

If you actually go to the Committee 24 List of NSGTs, you will not find Palestine, the Occupied Territories, or the West Bank - Jerusalem - Gaza Strip listed. You will notice that there are 4 Colonial Administrating Powers remaining in the world (US, UK, France, New Zealand). At one point, the territories were held in trust under Article 77a of the UN Charter; but not since the creation of Committee 24. It is correct to say that "Israel" is not (identified by Committee 24 as) a Colonial Power over the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). Further, the oPt are not listed as a colonial holding of any nation. There are a number of reasons for this (which I won't go into here), and a key point you should take away from this is that when the pro-Arab Palestinian advocates bring this up, they are quite deliberately injecting "misinformation" for propaganda purposes.

Now I have had pro-Arab Palestinian advocates imply that they know better than Committee 24 as to how to apply the Decolonization Program. You be the judge.

(COMMENT)

Items #1 thru #3 cited by our friend PF Tinmore, are relatively close to the intent of the Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). But it is important to note that:

◈ Israel is not involved thin the exploitation of the Arab Palestinians of the (socalled) oPt. Israel is not exploiting Arab Palestinians labor, or denying any fundemental human rights. However, Israel does attempt to meet the International Requirement to take such measures as may be necessary to restore, and ensure public order and safety, to the extent to such territory where Israeli authority has been established. (Hague Convention 1907)

◈ Israel has not denied the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip the right to self-determination and establish such a state able to stand by itself under the strenuous conditions of the modern world. Nor does Israel actually deny the Arab Palestinians the right to establish a corrupt government.

The Palestinian Policy Network said:
As many as 81% of the Palestinians living in the occupied Palestinian territory believe there is corruption in Palestinian Authority institutions according to a recent survey, perceptions reinforced by the recently launched annual report of the Palestinian Coalition for Accountability and Integrity (AMAN), the Transparency International chapter in Palestine. These perceptions persist despite former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s much-touted state-building efforts to root out corruption - and are at variance with international reports finding that suggest improvement in good governance.
SOURCE: Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System, by Tariq Dana

Item #3 is absurd. Freedoms and the recognitions of those freedoms are not a "suicide pact;" no matter how traditional the suicide is to the Islamic culture. It is simply insane to suggest that any responsible patron for Palestinian would suggest the creation of another failed state. You simply don't do that; there must be a reasonable chance for success.

Item #4. Wrong! → Articles 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. It is especially wrong when the proposed state in question has, imbedded within the governement, know terrorist sympathizers and government sponsored terrorist and terrorist organizations.

Items #5 thru #7 are merely variations on the theme already discussed, supra.

Most Respectfully,
R
Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian
people
to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to
Palestine
and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Just another rubber stamp UN opinion. Odd how the UN opinion speaks to "Israeli aggression", never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel by multiple islamic terrorist franchises.

The UN similarly never addresses the failure of the Arabs-Moslems to make any concerted attempt at self-determination.

It's almost as though the UN opinion is just an exercise in wasting time.
never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel
Yes it does.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;​
 
RE: Annexing West Bank
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This list comes from the application of General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 pertaining to Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.

Committee of 24 (Special Committee on Decolonization)

The Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples (also known as the Special Committee on decolonization or C-24), the United Nations entity exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization, was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).



The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation. It also hears statements from NSGTs representatives, dispatches visiting missions, and organizes seminars on the political, social and economic situation in the Territories. Further, the Special Committee annually makes recommendations concerning the dissemination of information to mobilize public opinion in support of the decolonization process, and observes the Week of Solidarity with the Peoples of Non-Self-Governing Territories.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
(AND NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY)

If you actually go to the Committee 24 List of NSGTs, you will not find Palestine, the Occupied Territories, or the West Bank - Jerusalem - Gaza Strip listed. You will notice that there are 4 Colonial Administrating Powers remaining in the world (US, UK, France, New Zealand). At one point, the territories were held in trust under Article 77a of the UN Charter; but not since the creation of Committee 24. It is correct to say that "Israel" is not (identified by Committee 24 as) a Colonial Power over the occupied Palestinian territories (oPt). Further, the oPt are not listed as a colonial holding of any nation. There are a number of reasons for this (which I won't go into here), and a key point you should take away from this is that when the pro-Arab Palestinian advocates bring this up, they are quite deliberately injecting "misinformation" for propaganda purposes.

Now I have had pro-Arab Palestinian advocates imply that they know better than Committee 24 as to how to apply the Decolonization Program. You be the judge.

(COMMENT)

Items #1 thru #3 cited by our friend PF Tinmore, are relatively close to the intent of the Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR). But it is important to note that:

◈ Israel is not involved thin the exploitation of the Arab Palestinians of the (socalled) oPt. Israel is not exploiting Arab Palestinians labor, or denying any fundemental human rights. However, Israel does attempt to meet the International Requirement to take such measures as may be necessary to restore, and ensure public order and safety, to the extent to such territory where Israeli authority has been established. (Hague Convention 1907)

◈ Israel has not denied the Arab Palestinians of the West Bank, Jerusalem, or Gaza Strip the right to self-determination and establish such a state able to stand by itself under the strenuous conditions of the modern world. Nor does Israel actually deny the Arab Palestinians the right to establish a corrupt government.

The Palestinian Policy Network said:
As many as 81% of the Palestinians living in the occupied Palestinian territory believe there is corruption in Palestinian Authority institutions according to a recent survey, perceptions reinforced by the recently launched annual report of the Palestinian Coalition for Accountability and Integrity (AMAN), the Transparency International chapter in Palestine. These perceptions persist despite former Prime Minister Salam Fayyad’s much-touted state-building efforts to root out corruption - and are at variance with international reports finding that suggest improvement in good governance.
SOURCE: Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System, by Tariq Dana

Item #3 is absurd. Freedoms and the recognitions of those freedoms are not a "suicide pact;" no matter how traditional the suicide is to the Islamic culture. It is simply insane to suggest that any responsible patron for Palestinian would suggest the creation of another failed state. You simply don't do that; there must be a reasonable chance for success.

Item #4. Wrong! → Articles 42 and 43 of the Hague Convention. It is especially wrong when the proposed state in question has, imbedded within the governement, know terrorist sympathizers and government sponsored terrorist and terrorist organizations.

Items #5 thru #7 are merely variations on the theme already discussed, supra.

Most Respectfully,
R
Considering that the denial of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian
people
to self-determination, sovereignty, independence and return to
Palestine
and the repeated acts of aggression by Israel against the peoples of the region constitute a serious threat to international peace and security,

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the Namibian people, the Palestinian people and all peoples under foreign and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, national unity and sovereignty without outside interference;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

12. Strongly condemns the continued violations of the human rights of
the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia, and South Africa's attempts to dismember its Territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority regime in southern Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights;

18. Strongly condemns those Governments that do not recognize the right to self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

A/RES/37/43. Importance of the universal realization of the right of peoples to self-determination and of the speedy granting of independence to colonial countries and peoples for the effective guarantee and observance of human rights

Just another rubber stamp UN opinion. Odd how the UN opinion speaks to "Israeli aggression", never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel by multiple islamic terrorist franchises.

The UN similarly never addresses the failure of the Arabs-Moslems to make any concerted attempt at self-determination.

It's almost as though the UN opinion is just an exercise in wasting time.
never defined or identified as to what that is, but the opinion never mentions continuing acts of islamic terrorism and acts of war aimed at Israel
Yes it does.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, including armed struggle;​

I understand you want to insist the above grants an allowance for acts of war aimed at Israel and murderous acts of islamic terrorism but nothing prevents the Israeli government from affirming its right to self defense in the face of armed aggression.

Neither your korans, the Hamas charter nor a UN opinion will cause the Israeli government to abandon the protection of its citizenry.

Gee-had denied, sweetie.
 
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