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Satan rules knbiotch.Christians can go fuck themselves.
What an eloquent argument
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Satan rules knbiotch.Christians can go fuck themselves.
What an eloquent argument
Yep libtrards are crying.Oops. Looks like all the liberal arguments have been destroyed. Case closed.
You, you can go back to trying to get that high score on Level 43.
Then why are they begging for free abortions from the government? Isn't that not asking the government to "take care of their own actions"?
Oops. Looks like all the liberal arguments have been destroyed. Case closed.
You, you can go back to trying to get that high score on Level 43.
Government should not pay for abortions as we should not either through obamashitforbrainscare. SCOTUS ruled correctly on this.Then why are they begging for free abortions from the government? Isn't that not asking the government to "take care of their own actions"?
Hey, I'd be all for if the government gave out free abortions.
It doesn't do that, of course. Thanks to the stupidity that is the Hyde Amendment. (Seriously, I met Henry Hyde once. It was disappointing.)
Now, realizing that the "Talking Snake" wing of the GOP was doing the science on this one, no one was telling Hobby Lobby they had to pay for Abortions. (Unlike their partners in China, who MANDATE abortions if you've already had a kid.) They had to pay for sorts of birth control that were kind of icky in the lady parts.
How about this.
Everyone gets coverage. You and your doctor get to decide what the best course of treatment is. And if you don't like what your doctor is saying, you get a new one.
Not a church or an employer or a judge or a congressman.
That sounds. Kind of reasonable.
The Hobby Lobby case does not concern abortions. Why are all of you nutters discussing abortions? Is it a disease?
Oops. Looks like all the liberal arguments have been destroyed. Case closed.
You, you can go back to trying to get that high score on Level 43.
What is this level 43 you speak of, my emo friend? I beat Level 43 long ago.
In all seriousness, you don't have anything left to hurl at me. Just your typical, standard "I have no argument" rhetoric.
5-4 against Hobby Lobby with Roberts the deciding vote
How do corporations have religion? Corporations are formed to create legal protection for the owner. Now, how does a corporation have the religion of the owner?
The question may become, if a person is forced to pay for abortion and birth control. Which could have far reaching implication if the SCOTUS rules no. What about those who buy into Obamacare? But let's say they rule just on if a company has to supply birth control to its employees. What if there was a small company run by Muslims. Say an owner and two employees, would the owner be required to supply BC and Abortion against their strongly held religious beliefs? That, simply, is what the SCOTUS is going to decide.
You are either a corporation or you are not
If you want to run your business as a family business, then do so
But if you choose to incorporate to provide your family legal protections from the decisions that you make then you can't claim that the corporation has the ethical and religious values of the family
You can't hide behind a corporation when it hurts you and claim individual rights when it helps you
Like he would know better then the SCOTUS.The question may become, if a person is forced to pay for abortion and birth control. Which could have far reaching implication if the SCOTUS rules no. What about those who buy into Obamacare? But let's say they rule just on if a company has to supply birth control to its employees. What if there was a small company run by Muslims. Say an owner and two employees, would the owner be required to supply BC and Abortion against their strongly held religious beliefs? That, simply, is what the SCOTUS is going to decide.
You are either a corporation or you are not
If you want to run your business as a family business, then do so
But if you choose to incorporate to provide your family legal protections from the decisions that you make then you can't claim that the corporation has the ethical and religious values of the family
You can't hide behind a corporation when it hurts you and claim individual rights when it helps you
Whiny silliness. It is not just the right of a closely held company's management to determine the firm's image, it is their responsibility.
"Hey I'd be all for government giving free abortions" Joe says.
Well then, aren't they then not letting women make their own choices? So why? You obviously think it does, but your argument is a giant conundrum. You want the woman to have a choice, but her reliance on the government in reality constitutes a forfeiture of that choice. She would be essentially saying "the government knows more about my vagina than I do." How utterly preposterous.
This is a paradox of your own making.
So, how'd that work our for you, Iosef?Which is why they will decide against Hobby Lobby.
I guess I was expecting too much out of Justice Kennedy.
But not to worry. 5 Old Men just decided that a woman's employer can tell her what to do with her Vagina.
Not quite "Gift From God Rape", but it'll do the trick.
Condoms are cheap. And women are smart enough to pick them out on their own.You know, you sure think women are stupid, don't you? You and your bullshit "war on women". It's getting old - but I guess when all you have is your Thug-In-Chief, you have to stir the shit pot somewhere else, don't you......
Women are more than capable of taking responsibility for their own damned actions. No one is stopping them. My Damned insurance doesn't cover Viagra - let alone an "abortion in a bottle".
Wake up. Your tactics aren't working any longer. If Hillary (the murderer) Clinton is your best hope - you've already lost.
Here's the problem with that. You not being able to get you thing hard for one night isn't going to fuck up your life permanently.
Not being able to avoid pregnancy when you are working a minimum wage job for a bunch of religious assholes.
Yes, women are capable of taking care of their own actions. Which means they are capable of picking the correct form of birth control after consulting with a trained medical specialist.
Not an Employer
Not a Church
Not a Congressman
Not a judge.
I think most women are smart enough to realize what is what.
I've still got the same doctors I had before ObamaCare, dude. so do most people.
I know when you sit on Granny's couch not having a useful job, you listen to Hate Radio and they tell you this shit, but the fact is, most people are still going to the same doctors they always have.
So, women have a choice...but taxpayers don't. Your idea of "choice" is pretty fucked up."Hey I'd be all for government giving free abortions" Joe says.
Well then, aren't they then not letting women make their own choices? So why? You obviously think it does, but your argument is a giant conundrum. You want the woman to have a choice, but her reliance on the government in reality constitutes a forfeiture of that choice. She would be essentially saying "the government knows more about my vagina than I do." How utterly preposterous.
This is a paradox of your own making.
No, not really.
Not giving the woman a choice would be doing what China does. If you've already had your one allotted child, you get an abortion or you pay a $20,000 fine. (Which is more than even China's new affluent middle class can afford.) Ironically, as horrible as this is, Hobby Lobby just can't wait to buy cheap shit from China.
Giving the woman a choice means-
We pay for your contraception if you don't want to get pregnant.
We pay for your abortion if you get pregnant and didn't mean to.
We pay for your pre-natal care if you want to keep the child, whether it was intended or not.
Incidentally, this is EXACTLY what the Europeans do, it is what the Japanese do. And they have lower abortion rates than we do.
If I'm paying for the vagina, I'd better get some use out of it.So, how'd that work our for you, Iosef?
I guess I was expecting too much out of Justice Kennedy.
But not to worry. 5 Old Men just decided that a woman's employer can tell her what to do with her Vagina.
Not quite "Gift From God Rape", but it'll do the trick.
Despite the SCOTUS ruling and your Chicken Little whining, women are still free to do what they will with their vaginas. Should pregnancy occur while doing what they will, they can have the baby or abort. They can keep or give up the child. They can sue the father for support or ask him to help pay for any other decision she may make. She just can't require the rest of us - those of us who have nothing to do with her decisions or her vagina - to pay for it.
Welcome to hyperemotional progressive La-La Land.Welcome to Corporate Sharia Law® of Saudi America.
Brought to youby SCOTUS.
if i'm paying for the vagina, i'd better get some use out of it.i guess i was expecting too much out of justice kennedy.
But not to worry. 5 old men just decided that a woman's employer can tell her what to do with her vagina.
Not quite "gift from god rape", but it'll do the trick.
despite the scotus ruling and your chicken little whining, women are still free to do what they will with their vaginas. Should pregnancy occur while doing what they will, they can have the baby or abort. They can keep or give up the child. They can sue the father for support or ask him to help pay for any other decision she may make. She just can't require the rest of us - those of us who have nothing to do with her decisions or her vagina - to pay for it.