An opportunity for change. An opportunity to help all blacks and minorities. An opportunity to help the police.

[Orangecat]

People like you, only care about your liberty. Screw anybody else whose liberty may be infringed on by your liberty.

You're the confused imbecile who misses slavery, not me.
Here it is:

The change needed is for the government to stop playing social engineering games.

like abolishing slavery

 

[Oldestyle]

Unfortunately, the only likely way to fix the problem is to only put white cops in white communities and black cops in black communities.

The fact that we're still living in racially segregated communities is the problem.

Maybe, but the issue, at present, is that blacks feel they are being targeted by the police. The most immediate and simple solution is to remove the conflict.

Define "the conflict"!
Then tell me how you remove said conflict while keeping people safe on the streets?

The conflict is any interaction between white police and black people where there is potential for aggression or the need to detain the respondee.

You put only black police in black communities and white police in white communities. You still have police presence in place, but no potential for a white officer to injure or shoot a black person.

So your "plan" is to get rid of all interaction between white Police officers and black people? I can't even begin to tell you how moronic that statement is! What would you send to a mixed race neighborhood...only mixed race Police Officers? (eye roll)

Beyond that...I can flat out guarantee you that an all black Police force dealing with black people is STILL going to result in black people getting shot! They aren't being shot because of racism...they're being shot because they're doing things that are against the law and then resisting arrest! Anyone who thinks that's going to change because you "segregate" blacks and whites is naive to a fault!

 

[Turtlesoup]

The OP was reasonable, yours is not.

The op may not have intended to but he ended up putting responsibility for change on the police

they are just doing their job by responding to the criminal antics of black people

The police are like all of society, there is baked in racism. The problem with police, it can have bigger consequences. The problem requires everyone to act different. It takes everyone to try and understand what others are going through. Those with the most power can do the most good and the most harm. In this scenario, it is the police. They are put in difficult situations in dealing with the mentally ill, domestic violence, drugged out people. They need more help and instructions in dealing with these groups. We do not need police who are attracted to policing to push others around. They are out there.

what about the baked in racism of the black people the police are forced to deal with?

but the left will deny that so what about the total disrespect for the law among black people?

in 99% of the shooting blacks are ordered to submit to police authority and fail to do so

It requires a complete brain disfunction to ignore the cops and continue trying to stab another person with a knife

I am sure many blacks have negative feelings towards whites based on their race and not who they are. But if someone kidnapped my ancestors, brought me to the US, enslaved me, wouldn't let me vote, wouldn't let me use the same restrooms, same restaurants, same hotels, lynched my relatives, restricted college enrollment, constant discrimination, I UNDERSTAND THEIR RACISM. For those who did all of the negative things to blacks for hundreds of years, I have a hard time understanding their racism.
With that said we all need to try and understand each other and heal the wounds. I understand an angry black person more that an uppity white who says I have made it in the US, why can't blacks. The blacks need, just, need to clean up their act. The blacks have nothing to complain about.
LOOK BEYOND YOUR OWN FRICKING LIFE AND UNDERSTAND OTHERS.

50 to 100 years ago yes. Not so much in 2021.

No, in 2021 also. It is up to blacks, whites and all to make changes but it cannot be done without an understanding of history. I see poor white people in the Midwest killing themselves with meth, I understand they did not experience the benefits I had growing up in an upper class white family in a city, college paid for and many business connections coming out of college from my growing up.
Everyone needs to do everything they can for themselves to succeed but it is much harder for some than others.

Not denying history. I am white, I was never a slave owner and blacks alive today are not owned as slaves. There is no separate drinking fountains lunch counters, sitting in the back of the bus etc. Are there still individual or group acts of racism, yes and they need to be addressed.

The scars and benefits of history last for generations. I was very lucky to have multiple generation of white relatives that did very well and I benefited big time.
The scars blacks have suffered last for generations. But blacks and all of us must take advantages of the benefits we have and do the best we can while we all try to make this fricking imperfect world better realizing it will never be perfect.
Before you pitch shit on someone walk a day in their shoes.

To stupid to realize that many blacks do very well-------although they do have trouble continuing to do well over generations thanks to their own life choices.

 

[Mac-7]

The OP was reasonable, yours is not.

Its not bad form to say that black people are the primary cause of their own troubles?

they will never improve as long as guilt-ridden white libs treat them like children

 

[Mac-7]

The OP was reasonable, yours is not.

The op may not have intended to but he ended up putting responsibility for change on the police

they are just doing their job by responding to the criminal antics of black people

The police are like all of society, there is baked in racism. The problem with police, it can have bigger consequences. The problem requires everyone to act different. It takes everyone to try and understand what others are going through. Those with the most power can do the most good and the most harm. In this scenario, it is the police. They are put in difficult situations in dealing with the mentally ill, domestic violence, drugged out people. They need more help and instructions in dealing with these groups. We do not need police who are attracted to policing to push others around. They are out there.

So you believe that if the police were more sensitive to the insecurities of black people then black criminals would respond by quietly allowing themselves to be arrested?

surely you jest

 

[ThisIsMe]

Unfortunately, the only likely way to fix the problem is to only put white cops in white communities and black cops in black communities.

The fact that we're still living in racially segregated communities is the problem.

Maybe, but the issue, at present, is that blacks feel they are being targeted by the police. The most immediate and simple solution is to remove the conflict.

Define "the conflict"!
Then tell me how you remove said conflict while keeping people safe on the streets?

The conflict is any interaction between white police and black people where there is potential for aggression or the need to detain the respondee.

You put only black police in black communities and white police in white communities. You still have police presence in place, but no potential for a white officer to injure or shoot a black person.

So your "plan" is to get rid of all interaction between white Police officers and black people? I can't even begin to tell you how moronic that statement is! What would you send to a mixed race neighborhood...only mixed race Police Officers? (eye roll)

Beyond that...I can flat out guarantee you that an all black Police force dealing with black people is STILL going to result in black people getting shot! They aren't being shot because of racism...they're being shot because they're doing things that are against the law and then resisting arrest! Anyone who thinks that's going to change because you "segregate" blacks and whites is naive to a fault!

For mixed race communities, if the opposites cross paths, then the officer doesn't engage, instead, calls for the appropriate officer to be on scene, or, those patrol areas could be done with team officers. One black, one white.

I don't want to stop the interaction between white police and black people, but, show me another method that would have immediate results?

You want to stop white police from killing black people, right? This will do it. I'm not saying that anything will change, but, with my method, you won't have white police put into a situation where they may have to kill a black person. If the killings stop, the the riots should stop as well, right?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

I say we need to have a constitutional convention that gathers the diversity of people that the founders and subsequent generations were unable to organize.

One of those things that sounds good on paper.

Given that today, a single law can go to or over 2,500 pages, what do you thinks we'd have with a re-written constitution?

A new constitution is going to be much more detailed than the subsisting, and you are probably not going to be involved in the litigation and composing. But it will eventually happen.

 

[Oldestyle]

Unfortunately, the only likely way to fix the problem is to only put white cops in white communities and black cops in black communities.

The fact that we're still living in racially segregated communities is the problem.

Maybe, but the issue, at present, is that blacks feel they are being targeted by the police. The most immediate and simple solution is to remove the conflict.

Define "the conflict"!
Then tell me how you remove said conflict while keeping people safe on the streets?

The conflict is any interaction between white police and black people where there is potential for aggression or the need to detain the respondee.

You put only black police in black communities and white police in white communities. You still have police presence in place, but no potential for a white officer to injure or shoot a black person.

So your "plan" is to get rid of all interaction between white Police officers and black people? I can't even begin to tell you how moronic that statement is! What would you send to a mixed race neighborhood...only mixed race Police Officers? (eye roll)

Beyond that...I can flat out guarantee you that an all black Police force dealing with black people is STILL going to result in black people getting shot! They aren't being shot because of racism...they're being shot because they're doing things that are against the law and then resisting arrest! Anyone who thinks that's going to change because you "segregate" blacks and whites is naive to a fault!

For mixed race communities, if the opposites cross paths, then the officer doesn't engage, instead, calls for the appropriate officer to be on scene, or, those patrol areas could be done with team officers. One black, one white.

I don't want to stop the interaction between white police and black people, but, show me another method that would have immediate results?

You want to stop white police from killing black people, right? This will do it. I'm not saying that anything will change, but, with my method, you won't have white police put into a situation where they may have to kill a black person. If the killings stop, the the riots should stop as well, right?

Your "method" is idiotic, Elmer! Let's take the situation where the young girl wielding a knife was just shot. Black girl...white Police Officer. Under your system that Police Officer doesn't "engage" but instead sits there waiting for a black Police Officer to get to the scene? While that's taking place that girl stabs another black girl to death? Is that what you think is the answer?

 

[Oldestyle]

You know what will stop the Police from shooting blacks? Blacks no longer committing crimes and then resisting arrest. That isn't a Police problem...that is a problem with blacks having no respect for the rule of law and seeing themselves as "victims" even when they break the law! THAT needs to change or the shooting deaths will continue to happen and it has NOTHING to do with Police "racism"!

 

[ElmerMudd]

The OP was reasonable, yours is not.

The op may not have intended to but he ended up putting responsibility for change on the police

they are just doing their job by responding to the criminal antics of black people

The police are like all of society, there is baked in racism. The problem with police, it can have bigger consequences. The problem requires everyone to act different. It takes everyone to try and understand what others are going through. Those with the most power can do the most good and the most harm. In this scenario, it is the police. They are put in difficult situations in dealing with the mentally ill, domestic violence, drugged out people. They need more help and instructions in dealing with these groups. We do not need police who are attracted to policing to push others around. They are out there.

what about the baked in racism of the black people the police are forced to deal with?

but the left will deny that so what about the total disrespect for the law among black people?

in 99% of the shooting blacks are ordered to submit to police authority and fail to do so

It requires a complete brain disfunction to ignore the cops and continue trying to stab another person with a knife

I am sure many blacks have negative feelings towards whites based on their race and not who they are. But if someone kidnapped my ancestors, brought me to the US, enslaved me, wouldn't let me vote, wouldn't let me use the same restrooms, same restaurants, same hotels, lynched my relatives, restricted college enrollment, constant discrimination, I UNDERSTAND THEIR RACISM. For those who did all of the negative things to blacks for hundreds of years, I have a hard time understanding their racism.
With that said we all need to try and understand each other and heal the wounds. I understand an angry black person more that an uppity white who says I have made it in the US, why can't blacks. The blacks need, just, need to clean up their act. The blacks have nothing to complain about.
LOOK BEYOND YOUR OWN FRICKING LIFE AND UNDERSTAND OTHERS.

50 to 100 years ago yes. Not so much in 2021.

No, in 2021 also. It is up to blacks, whites and all to make changes but it cannot be done without an understanding of history. I see poor white people in the Midwest killing themselves with meth, I understand they did not experience the benefits I had growing up in an upper class white family in a city, college paid for and many business connections coming out of college from my growing up.
Everyone needs to do everything they can for themselves to succeed but it is much harder for some than others.

Not denying history. I am white, I was never a slave owner and blacks alive today are not owned as slaves. There is no separate drinking fountains lunch counters, sitting in the back of the bus etc. Are there still individual or group acts of racism, yes and they need to be addressed.

The scars and benefits of history last for generations. I was very lucky to have multiple generation of white relatives that did very well and I benefited big time.
The scars blacks have suffered last for generations. But blacks and all of us must take advantages of the benefits we have and do the best we can while we all try to make this fricking imperfect world better realizing it will never be perfect.
Before you pitch shit on someone walk a day in their shoes.

To stupid to realize that many blacks do very well-------although they do have trouble continuing to do well over generations thanks to their own life choices.

The key is to make sure all have the same choices. All blacks and all whites are not the same. We are talking in generalities.
You are saying the poor whites in the Midwest, who cannot find jobs, is because of the choices they have made?

 

[ElmerMudd]

You know what will stop the Police from shooting blacks? Blacks no longer committing crimes and then resisting arrest. That isn't a Police problem...that is a problem with blacks having no respect for the rule of law and seeing themselves as "victims" even when they break the law! THAT needs to change or the shooting deaths will continue to happen and it has NOTHING to do with Police "racism"!

There are plenty of whites that do not respect the police and resist arrest but they do not get shot at the same % as blacks.

 

[ElmerMudd]

The OP was reasonable, yours is not.

The op may not have intended to but he ended up putting responsibility for change on the police

they are just doing their job by responding to the criminal antics of black people

The police are like all of society, there is baked in racism. The problem with police, it can have bigger consequences. The problem requires everyone to act different. It takes everyone to try and understand what others are going through. Those with the most power can do the most good and the most harm. In this scenario, it is the police. They are put in difficult situations in dealing with the mentally ill, domestic violence, drugged out people. They need more help and instructions in dealing with these groups. We do not need police who are attracted to policing to push others around. They are out there.

So you believe that if the police were more sensitive to the insecurities of black people then black criminals would respond by quietly allowing themselves to be arrested?

surely you jest

The key is to treat blacks like everyone else. All whites need to examine their prejudices against blacks and other minorities. It is baked into our culture. Blacks to have prejudices and much they can do to help themselves. But as whites dominating our culture, we need to do our best to eliminate the prejudices that are built into our culture. To many whites say, "blacks are not slaves, they can vote, what do they have to complain about". We all know that is ridiculous.
Our country was started by WHITE people who were frustrated that they were being discriminated against by other WHITE people. We should understand white discrimination.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Policing needs to be changed to help the police, blacks and all minorities. That will be best for all Americans.

The entire organization of government needs to be changed, so Black people understand how it works, and we eliminate the inadequacies that provide for corruption, for the rest of us.

They need to get some skin in the game, and they need a better government model, because the subsisting model requires white men's ad hoc remedies every so often, because it is inadequate.

As long as they are able to claim that they did not participate in the organization of government, then they are able to continue to claim systemic biases.

Sounds like a recipe for a communist takeover.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Sounds like a recipe for a communist takeover.

That is because that is the only alternative that you know of, because of conservative propaganda.

Be a true American and search for innovation.

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Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

 

[bripat9643]

An opportunity for change. An opportunity to help all blacks and minorities. An opportunity to help the police. An opportunity to help ourselves.
It is time for us all get behind the many good police to help them in a very difficult job and to help black people receive equal justice.
Both groups, police and blacks, have bad individuals in their group, as do all groups and demographics. We cannot define either group by the worst among them nor should we defend the worst among each group.
Policing needs to be changed to help the police, blacks and all minorities. That will be best for all Americans.

Policing doesn't need to change. Blacks need to learn to obey the law.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

White conservatives are obsessed with Communism, just as Black liberals are obsessed with white supremacy.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Unfortunately, the only likely way to fix the problem is to only put white cops in white communities and black cops in black communities.

The fact that we're still living in racially segregated communities is the problem.

Maybe, but the issue, at present, is that blacks feel they are being targeted by the police. The most immediate and simple solution is to remove the conflict.

Define "the conflict"!
Then tell me how you remove said conflict while keeping people safe on the streets?

The conflict is any interaction between white police and black people where there is potential for aggression or the need to detain the respondee.

You put only black police in black communities and white police in white communities. You still have police presence in place, but no potential for a white officer to injure or shoot a black person.

So your "plan" is to get rid of all interaction between white Police officers and black people? I can't even begin to tell you how moronic that statement is! What would you send to a mixed race neighborhood...only mixed race Police Officers? (eye roll)

Beyond that...I can flat out guarantee you that an all black Police force dealing with black people is STILL going to result in black people getting shot! They aren't being shot because of racism...they're being shot because they're doing things that are against the law and then resisting arrest! Anyone who thinks that's going to change because you "segregate" blacks and whites is naive to a fault!

For mixed race communities, if the opposites cross paths, then the officer doesn't engage, instead, calls for the appropriate officer to be on scene, or, those patrol areas could be done with team officers. One black, one white.

I don't want to stop the interaction between white police and black people, but, show me another method that would have immediate results?

You want to stop white police from killing black people, right? This will do it. I'm not saying that anything will change, but, with my method, you won't have white police put into a situation where they may have to kill a black person. If the killings stop, the the riots should stop as well, right?

Your "method" is idiotic, Elmer! Let's take the situation where the young girl wielding a knife was just shot. Black girl...white Police Officer. Under your system that Police Officer doesn't "engage" but instead sits there waiting for a black Police Officer to get to the scene? While that's taking place that girl stabs another black girl to death? Is that what you think is the answer?

Ok, have officers teams. One black and one white, in each car.

 

[PatriotJohn888]

You know what will stop the Police from shooting blacks? Blacks no longer committing crimes and then resisting arrest. That isn't a Police problem...that is a problem with blacks having no respect for the rule of law and seeing themselves as "victims" even when they break the law! THAT needs to change or the shooting deaths will continue to happen and it has NOTHING to do with Police "racism"!

There are plenty of whites that do not respect the police and resist arrest but they do not get shot at the same % as blacks.

Let's see where you got this information from pls.

 

[B. Kidd]

An opportunity for change. An opportunity to help all blacks and minorities. An opportunity to help the police. An opportunity to help ourselves.
It is time for us all get behind the many good police to help them in a very difficult job and to help black people receive equal justice.
Both groups, police and blacks, have bad individuals in their group, as do all groups and demographics. We cannot define either group by the worst among them nor should we defend the worst among each group.
Policing needs to be changed to help the police, blacks and all minorities. That will be best for all Americans.

WTF you talkin' about Willis?

Looks like you have some kind of utopia driven epiphany hallucination.

 

[Mac-7]

The OP was reasonable, yours is not.

The op may not have intended to but he ended up putting responsibility for change on the police

they are just doing their job by responding to the criminal antics of black people

The police are like all of society, there is baked in racism. The problem with police, it can have bigger consequences. The problem requires everyone to act different. It takes everyone to try and understand what others are going through. Those with the most power can do the most good and the most harm. In this scenario, it is the police. They are put in difficult situations in dealing with the mentally ill, domestic violence, drugged out people. They need more help and instructions in dealing with these groups. We do not need police who are attracted to policing to push others around. They are out there.

So you believe that if the police were more sensitive to the insecurities of black people then black criminals would respond by quietly allowing themselves to be arrested?

surely you jest

The key is to treat blacks like everyone else. All whites need to examine their prejudices against blacks and other minorities. It is baked into our culture. Blacks to have prejudices and much they can do to help themselves. But as whites dominating our culture, we need to do our best to eliminate the prejudices that are built into our culture. To many whites say, "blacks are not slaves, they can vote, what do they have to complain about". We all know that is ridiculous.
Our country was started by WHITE people who were frustrated that they were being discriminated against by other WHITE people. We should understand white discrimination.

White Americans are the least prejudiced toward other races than any other group of people on the planet

first 30% of whites are guilt-ridden libs who would sacrifice their own children in the name of black advancement

then there are roughly 40% who are completely agnostic about race

they dont much care about black people one way or the other and will go with the flow whetever it leads

which leaves the 30% who are not traumatized by the alleged suffering and mistreatment of blacks

and are most certainly not willing to sacrifice their children for the advancement of colored people

speaking only for myself 90% of the alleged murders of black people at the hands of the police were not murders at all but simply the police doing their job

If I acted the way these black martyrs act the police would have shot me long ago

its crazy the way too many black people act

really insane

but to say that to you makes me a racist in minds of many on the left