An idea of mine about capital punishment

[AZrailwhale]

Yet he didn't die all the other times he took fentanyl.

He did die when Chauvin put his jackboot on his neck.



Yet his high-priced lawyers couldn't secure an acquittal or get the verdict overturned.

Imagine that.

Not surprising when there were mobs in the street threatening to burn down Minneapolis if Chauvin was acquitted.

 

[Robert W]

The Death Penalty certainly has a deterrent effect on murder rates. Tell us when an executed murderer every killed another human being? By your logic, we shouldn't punish ANY criminals because criminals aren't deterred by the possibility of being captured, convicted and having to serve jail sentences.

My goal in starting this thread was deterrence. Make it known you will die in a horrible way. Why treat convicted killers like they should get a great final meal, many attorneys, while the victims got put into graves?
How much is spent to defend killers? We read come allege it costs many hundreds of thousands of dollars. What did the killer spend on bullets to kill victims? Got to do it faster and make it cheaper.

 

[BackAgain]

Re: capital punishment, in general. I am not a big fan of it. Nonetheless, I consider it a still appropriate tool of punishment in certain cases. For instance, say some previously-convicted murderer is serving a life sentence with no parole allowed. If such a prison inmate were to then murder some other inmate or a prison guard, what’s the threat we can use to stop him?

There is none. A second trial, another conviction and a new sentence of life with no parole is meaningless at that point.

So, that’s one example of when I am ok with a death sentence. Put that piece of shit out of our misery.

 

[AZrailwhale]

If they hadn't screwed over Germany after WWI, NONE of this would have happened.

The consequences Germany faced after WWI were far lower than other defeated nations received over the centuries.

 

[Robert W]

Re: capital punishment, in general. I am not a big fan of it. Nonetheless, I consider it a still appropriate tool of punishment in certain cases. For instance, say some previously-convicted murderer is serving a life sentence with no parole allowed. If such a prison inmate were to then murder some other inmate or a prison guard, what’s the threat we can use to stop him?

There is none. A second trial, another conviction and a new sentence of life with no parole is meaningless at that point.

So, that’s one example of when I am ok with a death sentence. Put that piece of shit out of our misery.

I am not a fan either. I am a huge fan of putting a stop to murdering victims. Killers have no conscience. Victims after death don't either. It seems hard to kill killers yet for them very easy.

 

[Robert W]

I don't think you understand what Socialism is.

You don't think Joe.

 

[Robert W]

Again, you are working off distorted facts. Most Germans never got to own a "Volkswagen". Most of the Public Works projects, like the Autobahn, were started under previous Weimar administrations. What Hitler did do was borrow ridiculous amounts of money to buy armaments.

The first autobahn, known as the AVUS (Automobil-Verkehrsund Ubungstrasse), opened on September 10, 1921, near Berlin, marking the beginning of Germany's superhighway system. Initially designed as a race track and practice road, it faced skepticism from the public regarding the feasibility of automobile-only roads, devoid of horse-drawn carts and pedestrians. However, Germany's advancements in automotive technology and high-performance vehicles contributed to the acceptance of these roads. By the 1930s, the autobahn network expanded significantly, especially under the Nazi regime, which used it as a major public works project to address unemployment during the Great Depression, employing over 100,000 workers at its peak.

Although construction was interrupted by World War II, the autobahn system resumed and has since grown to over 7,000 miles, with many sections notable for having no speed limits. Unique traffic regulations include prohibitions against vehicles traveling slower than 40 miles per hour and making it illegal to run out of gas on the highway. Today, Germany's autobahn network stands as the second-largest superhighway system in the world, following that of the United States.

To give you scale, it is far more than TX yet is only slightly larger than TX. There was only one autobahn with speed limits when
I was there and that was to Manheim. I drove right by where
Patton had his wreck.

Joe, When I was in Berlin, allowed traffic into Berlin was just to East Berlin. I flew into and out of Berlin every time I went there.
The start of the super road system barely was there and I posted more data on it.

 

[Jarlaxle]

What made Nuremberg unjust is that Or we could look at Raeder and Donitz, who weren't really Nazis, but still got 20 years for unrestricted submarine warfare.

Yet the US used an identical strategy against Japanese shipping in the Pacific.

Which is why Donitz wasn't convicted of that.

If they hadn't screwed over Germany after WWI, NONE of this would have happened.

Versailles was awful. It was clearly MUCH too lenient.

 

[Robert W]

Most of what was produced was armaments. If you never use them, they are wasted money. The reason why Germany had the economic miracle after the war was the rest of the west heavily invested infrastructure and consumer goods. The Nazis lived by the motto "Guns Before Butter".



I don't think you understand what Socialism is.



Again, you are working off distorted facts. Most Germans never got to own a "Volkswagen". Most of the Public Works projects, like the Autobahn, were started under previous Weimar administrations. What Hitler did do was borrow ridiculous amounts of money to buy armaments.



Biden's spending (as a percetage of GDP) was nowhere near what Hitler was spending, that's kind of the point.

Keep in mind, Germany also owed war debts from World War I, and Hitler was borrowing massively on top of that.

I used to be as bigoted as you are Joe. I planned for the Army to send me to Germany in fact. In noticed the system used by the Army to send troops to locations. I decided to take a chance, and it paid off. I expected to see all of Germany in ruins.

Alas, East Berlin was in ruins. Did Communism pay off Joe?

 

[JoeB131]

Armaments produced jobs. I was in Germany and saw what he built. Did you see the Autobahns, the buildings, the factories he caused to operate at full capacity. Why do you object to pointing out he did help German citizens at the time. Do you have something to lose?

Most of what he built was reduced to rubble by the end of the war, and the Autobahns were authorized during the Weimar period.

No, Hitler did not do any good things.

The Death Penalty certainly has a deterrent effect on murder rates. Tell us when an executed murderer ever killed another human being? By your logic, we shouldn't punish ANY criminals because criminals aren't deterred by the possibility of being captured, convicted and having to serve jail sentences.

The problem is the resources wasted to carry out a handful of executions a year are resources not being used to lock up or rehabilitate other criminals. This is why Texas has a higher murder rate than nearly any other state in the country.

Criminals aren't deterred by executions, either.

If you are committing a murder you are either insane, in the heat of passion, or you think you are clever enough to get away with it. So no punishment is actually a deterrent.

If you want to address the root causes of crime, you have to address addiction, mental illness, poverty, and gun proliferation.

When it's easier for Bob McCrazypants to get a gun than his meds, you are going to have problems.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe, When I was in Berlin, allowed traffic into Berlin was just to East Berlin. I flew into and out of Berlin every time I went there.
The start of the super road system barely was there and I posted more data on it.

Nobody cares about your walls of text. You admitted the Autobahn wasn't Hitler's idea.

 

[Lockback]

Most of what he built was reduced to rubble by the end of the war, and the Autobahns were authorized during the Weimar period.

No, Hitler did not do any good things.

Look, Hitler was Evil Personified. I hate him. But that blanket statement is just dumb as has been pointed out. He revived the economy of a shattered country, albeit temporarily.

The problem is the resources wasted to carry out a handful of executions a year are resources not being used to lock up or rehabilitate other criminals. This is why Texas has a higher murder rate than nearly any other state in the country.

Criminals aren't deterred by executions, either.

Correct.
And why would they when it takes, like, thirty g.d. years for justice to be meted out???
Streamline the appeals processes and the absurdly long trials and maybe the death penalty would be a deterrent again.

If you are committing a murder you are either insane, in the heat of passion, or you think you are clever enough to get away with it. So no punishment is actually a deterrent.

See above.

If you want to address the root causes of crime, you have to address addiction, mental illness, poverty, and gun proliferation.

When it's easier for Bob McCrazypants to get a gun than his meds, you are going to have problems.

Ah, "gun proliferation". I knew I could count on your to bring up that bullshit for the 945th time.
Face it: you don't believe people have a right to defend themselves. You want them to just bend over and accept their fate.
Well, screw that. Ain't gonna happen with a lot of us, pal. My life is more important than some dirtbag's who wants to kill me or my wife and he's not gonna have an easy time of it.

 

[Robert W]

Nobody cares about your walls of text. You admitted the Autobahn wasn't Hitler's idea.

My case was never that it was his idea. Think of this. A tiny strip was built by 1921 when horses and buggies still were popular. Who got it really going by 1933? Be honest this time Joe.

 

[Robert W]

Look, Hitler was Evil Personified. I hate him. But that blanket statement is just dumb as has been pointed out. He revived the economy of a shattered country, albeit temporarily.

We defeated Germany so Joes idea to learn history is to beat them to death. I pointed out to him how Hitler to the Germans was awesome. And because of that, I had to define awesome, to the Germans. Joe does not know the true history of Germany. I would not have known myself other than I was there and took a hard look at their history.
War by Hitler branded his dictatorship as a German blight and for that he will always be seen as a warmonger dictator.

 

[JoeB131]

Look, Hitler was Evil Personified. I hate him. But that blanket statement is just dumb as has been pointed out. He revived the economy of a shattered country, albeit temporarily.

No, he really didn't. He led Germany into a hole that it would never be able to pay back, then started a war to welch on his debts.

Correct.
And why would they when it takes, like, thirty g.d. years for justice to be meted out???
Streamline the appeals processes and the absurdly long trials and maybe the death penalty would be a deterrent again.

Clearly, you have reading comprehension problems.

Summary executions just increase the chance that they'll kill someone innocent by mistake. For every 8 people we execute, 1 has been let go because they were wrongly convicted.

How does the DP deter the crazy person? It doesn't. He's crazy.

The next category is those who act in the heat of passion. They aren't thinking their actions of the next two minutes through, much less the next year. If you just caught your wife in bed with the neighbor, you are not thinking clearly.

The third category are the people who think they are just too clever. And actually, they might have a point, as we only have a 50% murder clearance rate. If you think you are smart enough to get away with it, you aren't thinking about the punishments.

Ah, "gun proliferation". I knew I could count on your to bring up that bullshit for the 945th time.
Face it: you don't believe people have a right to defend themselves. You want them to just bend over and accept their fate.
Well, screw that. Ain't gonna happen with a lot of us, pal. My life is more important than some dirtbag's who wants to kill me or my wife and he's not gonna have an easy time of it.

That dirtbag wouldn't be in a position to kill your (hypothetical) family if it wasn't so easy for him to get a gun to start with.

 

[Lockback]

We defeated Germany so Joes idea to learn history is to beat them to death. I pointed out to him how Hitler to the Germans was awesome. And because of that, I had to define awesome, to the Germans. Joe does not know the true history of Germany. I would not have known myself other than I was there and took a hard look at their history.
War by Hitler branded his dictatorship as a German blight and for that he will always be seen as a warmonger dictator.

The average leftist/liberal/Democrat/progressive has at least two huge weaknesses:
1) Historical ignorance
2) Complete lack of perspective

It is the curse of the Left.

 

[Robert W]

Most of what he built was reduced to rubble by the end of the war, and the Autobahns were authorized during the Weimar period.

No, Hitler did not do any good things.

Joe, even then we had so much in the way of equipment and well-trained troops he had no chance. Joe, in 1921 one was started and fizzled out. The Germans were not advanced in 1921 and horses and buggies do not need Autobahns. Even when I was in Germany, in the early 1960s, most roads qualified as country roads. I could get from Schweinfurt Germany to Frankfurt on the Autobahn but from Schweinfurt to Munich, no such luck. Now they have finished more roads. All I say and you don't believe it is what he was to Germans. You act like the Germans hated the man, but he caused massive employment. Democrats claim massive employment by them will cause Americans to love them. They don't deliver so Americans do not like Democrats.

 

[Robert W]

No, he really didn't. He led Germany into a hole that it would never be able to pay back, then started a war to welch on his debts.

Look, Roosevelt put us into supreme debt and super high taxes and we survived.
Look what China is doing. Will you claim that because of their massive debt they won't be able to pay the debts back?

 

[Robert W]

The average leftist/liberal/Democrat/progressive has at least two huge weaknesses:
1) Historical ignorance
2) Complete lack of perspective

It is the curse of the Left.

Here is where his wires got burned out. He tells me he was a Republican. But the way he talks, I have to say if he was, he did not ever understand Republicans. And he joined the Democrats. This is like the Germans joining Hitler. And he thinks he was doing good.

 

[Lockback]

No, he really didn't. He led Germany into a hole that it would never be able to pay back, then started a war to welch on his debts.

Bullshit.
He led Germany into a war they lost. A stupid, horrible, racist war. And it destroyed the economy until - guess who? - the American Marshall Plan helped restore them

Clearly, you have reading comprehension problems.

Summary executions just increase the chance that they'll kill someone innocent by mistake. For every 8 people we execute, 1 has been let go because they were wrongly convicted.

With current DNA testing and other things, the old days of wrongly convicted people is shrinking to infinitesimal proportions.

How does the DP deter the crazy person? It doesn't. He's crazy.

The next category is those who act in the heat of passion. They aren't thinking their actions of the next two minutes through, much less the next year. If you just caught your wife in bed with the neighbor, you are not thinking clearly.

Well, I wouldn't shoot somebody for that but that's because I'm a rational person. And, trust me, I've been thrust into some pretty bad situations in the past and I've never lost it.

The third category are the people who think they are just too clever. And actually, they might have a point, as we only have a 50% murder clearance rate. If you think you are smart enough to get away with it, you aren't thinking about the punishments.

I have no idea what that jibberish was about.

That dirtbag wouldn't be in a position to kill your (hypothetical) family if it wasn't so easy for him to get a gun to start with.

Joe.
There are an estimated 400 MILLION guns in the United States.
The ship has sailed, pal.
If you think you can prevent Bad Guys from getting guns, you're completely out of your mind. Totally.
I'll type this slowly: I will NEVER give up my guns to the state.
NEVER.
Because at that point we become a true dictatorship.
And I won't live that way.