An idea of mine about capital punishment

[Dorian Mode]

We've been discussing this for many, many decades and things just keep getting worse. I think the entire system is so corrupt that there is no solution. I used to fear AI taking over control of the world, now I welcome it. We need something vastly smarter than us to hold us accountable.

 

[JoeB131]

For the man who argues Ashli Babbitt was rightfully murdered, this is strange you plead the case for the Nazi publisher of Der Sturmer.

If Streicher was charging a police barricade, I'd have no problem with him being shot.

I do have a problem with hanging a guy for running a newspaper while men who killed tens of thousands got off with short sentences.

The biggest problem with Germany overall is that so many people tried to pretend they weren't all in on the horrors of WWII.

Like naughty children who got sick after eating too much candy, they blame someone else.

Kind of like America is going to be when Trump is gone.

 

[JoeB131]

That is a great point. Still Hitler once in office did a lot of great things for his people which is why they loved him as much as they did.

Well, that's not really true, either.

Hitler essentially rebuilt the German economy by recklessly borrowing money that Germany didn't have and couldn't generate through taxes. It was all a delusion, and a large reason why they started the war was to annex territory to get resources to pay off the debt for the money the Nazis had borrowed.

 

[Robert W]

Well, that's not really true, either.

Hitler essentially rebuilt the German economy by recklessly borrowing money that Germany didn't have and couldn't generate through taxes. It was all a delusion, and a large reason why they started the war was to annex territory to get resources to pay off the debt for the money the Nazis had borrowed.

No, I am correct and you slipped up and verified my claims.

 

[Robert W]

I do have a problem with hanging a guy for running a newspaper while men who killed tens of thousands got off with short sentences.

He was the most important man in Germany in public vilifying Jews and calling for them to be killed. He may be the source of Hitlers antisemitism and was for decades an enemy of the Jews.

Another matter is those were not the only Nazis put on trial and many others were executed. Even women were executed.

 

[JoeB131]

No, I am correct and you slipped up and verified my claims.

Are you fricking retarded? I'm serious, guy, do you have some kind of learning disability I should know about? You don't rebuild an economy on borrowed money.

Hitler spent money Germany didn't have, and was never going to be able to pay back, to buy weapons and keep people employed.

Then he invaded other countries to steal their resources. (Not to mention killing the Jews to steal their wealth.)

 

[Robert W]

Are you fricking retarded? I'm serious, guy, do you have some kind of learning disability I should know about? You don't rebuild an economy on borrowed money.

Hitler spent money Germany didn't have, and was never going to be able to pay back, to buy weapons and keep people employed.

Then he invaded other countries to steal their resources. (Not to mention killing the Jews to steal their wealth.)

Joe, you are retarded. You keep agreeing with me in fact. Hitler rebuilt the economy. Now what did we both say? I was not speaking of once war started. Stop acting retarded.

 

[JoeB131]

Joe, you are retarded. You keep agreeing with me in fact. Hitler rebuilt the economy. Now what did we both say? I was not speaking of once war started. Stop acting retarded.

Guy, you are a retard, that you can't understand that borrowing money isn't prosperity.

It's like someone living off their credit cards when they don't have a job.

This is not sound economics.

If the war hadn't started, Germany would have faced an economic collapse.

 

[Robert W]

Guy, you are a retard, that you can't understand that borrowing money isn't prosperity.

It's like someone living off their credit cards when they don't have a job.

This is not sound economics.

If the war hadn't started, Germany would have faced an economic collapse.

I am talking facts and you talk of made-up claims. We do not factually know what he did would collapse the German economy. He got massive work producing things in action. Do you want to claim he did not since you have admitted it already?

He was a socialist Joe and did what they do.

Joe, I spent time in Germany and saw things Hitler gets credit for building. One stadium in Nürnberg could accommodate a million Germans. Schweinfurt was very busy making auto and motorcycle engines and things for BMW. Remember the people's car, the Volkswagen. Those caused a lot of employment.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why should capital punishment be limited to Arkansas?

 

[Robert W]

Guy, you are a retard, that you can't understand that borrowing money isn't prosperity.

Did you learn that from the spending done by the USA? What did it cost for Biden's Infrastructure law?

Biden Administration

Biden's Infrastructure Bills Leave a Legacy of Big Spending and Little Payoff​

The outgoing president's signature legislative achievements spent tens of billions of dollars with little to show.​

Joe Lancaster | 1.8.2025 4:35 PM


The 2021 Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act apportioned more than $1 trillion to a wide variety of projects deemed "infrastructure," including $550 billion toward "'new' investments and programs." Among its line items, the law included $7.5 billion to build electric vehicle (E.V.) chargers across the country.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Preposterous.

Joe is right about this one. It's cruel and unusual. It's violative of the 8th Amendment.

As much as we want the murderers to feel the same pain and anguish they caused the victim(s) and their families, they still have constitutional rights.

If we want to pride ourselves as a nation of laws, we don't abandon them in fits of rage and emotion.

 

[JoeB131]

I am talking facts and you talk of made-up claims. We do not factually know what he did would collapse the German economy. He got massive work producing things in action. Do you want to claim he did not since you have admitted it already?

Most of what was produced was armaments. If you never use them, they are wasted money. The reason why Germany had the economic miracle after the war was the rest of the west heavily invested infrastructure and consumer goods. The Nazis lived by the motto "Guns Before Butter".

He was a socialist Joe and did what they do.

I don't think you understand what Socialism is.

Joe, I spent time in Germany and saw things Hitler gets credit for building. One stadium in Nürnberg could accommodate a million Germans. Schweinfurt was very busy making auto and motorcycle engines and things for BMW. Remember the people's car, the Volkswagen. Those caused a lot of employment.

Again, you are working off distorted facts. Most Germans never got to own a "Volkswagen". Most of the Public Works projects, like the Autobahn, were started under previous Weimar administrations. What Hitler did do was borrow ridiculous amounts of money to buy armaments.

Did you learn that from the spending done by the USA? What did it cost for Biden's Infrastructure law?

Biden's spending (as a percetage of GDP) was nowhere near what Hitler was spending, that's kind of the point.

Keep in mind, Germany also owed war debts from World War I, and Hitler was borrowing massively on top of that.

 

[Robert W]

Most of what was produced was armaments. If you never use them, they are wasted money. The reason why Germany had the economic miracle after the war was the rest of the west heavily invested infrastructure and consumer goods. The Nazis lived by the motto "Guns Before Butter".

Armaments produced jobs. I was in Germany and saw what he built. Did you see the Autobahns, the buildings, the factories he caused to operate at full capacity. Why do you object to pointing out he did help German citizens at the time. Do you have something to lose?

 

[Robert W]

Most of what was produced was armaments. If you never use them, they are wasted money. The reason why Germany had the economic miracle after the war was the rest of the west heavily invested infrastructure and consumer goods. The Nazis lived by the motto "Guns Before Butter".



I don't think you understand what Socialism is.



Again, you are working off distorted facts. Most Germans never got to own a "Volkswagen". Most of the Public Works projects, like the Autobahn, were started under previous Weimar administrations. What Hitler did do was borrow ridiculous amounts of money to buy armaments.



Biden's spending (as a percetage of GDP) was nowhere near what Hitler was spending, that's kind of the point.

Keep in mind, Germany also owed war debts from World War I, and Hitler was borrowing massively on top of that.

I used to be as bigoted as you are Joe. I planned for the Army to send me to Germany in fact. I noticed the system used by the Army to send troops to locations. I decided to take a chance, and it paid off. I expected to see all of Germany in ruins.

However, what was still in ruins was controlled by the Soviets. Today one can visit Germany and have a very hard time finding war damage.

 

[Robert W]

Biden's spending (as a percetage of GDP) was nowhere near what Hitler was spending, that's kind of the point.

Keep in mind, Germany also owed war debts from World War I, and Hitler was borrowing massively on top of that.

What have you seen Joe of the Biden construction plans? I have traveled in the past year, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, and California and saw nothing at all that he caused.

Hitler spent on a country the size a bit smaller than TX, so it is not likely you saw anything at all thanks to Biden in a state.

You talk as if Hitler did nothing for the German people. I speak of course for the peace time period and not his wars.

Compare the spending done by FDR to what Hitler spent.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I think a lot of you people who love executions are sadistic, to be honest. Forgetting the Constitutional ban on Cruel and Unusual punishment.

The Death Penalty is one of those issues I've gone back and forth on over the years. Part of me knows that intellectually, murdering people to prove murder is bad is illogical. Another part of me sees these animals and wants to punish them with something more than three hots and a cot for the rest of their lives.

But the tie breaker for me is that since we resumed executions in 1976, 202 people convicted and sent to death row were eventually exonerated (thankfully before they were executed.) Compared to 1659 who have been executed. So for every eight people we execute, we let one go.

Innocence Database | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Then there are the ones where we suspect they might have been executed wrongly now. Possibly 21 cases.

Executed But Possibly Innocent | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

deathpenaltyinfo.org

Texas is currently trying to execute a man who is believed to have been innocent right now.

Robert Roberson’s Stayed Execution: 5 Things to Know

The state wanted to put him to death by lethal injection. Then a court intervened.

www.themarshallproject.org

Cruel and unusual punishment in 1783 was something like drawing and quartering or burning alive. That being said, I am against torture and think convicted felons should be put to death in a quick and humane manner like hanging or electrocution immediately after ONE appeal and one request for clemency to whichever lead executive is appropriate, (the President in federal crimes or Governor in state crimes). Our current system of allowing convicted criminals to die of old age on death row while endless appeals and requests for clemency are processed is an affront to justice and an insult to their victims and their families.

 

[BackAgain]

fetuses still aren't children.

Try to stay on topic.

Fetuses are indeed children. I swear, as they continue to develop, they will turn out to be human beings, not giraffes.

The post you responded to so stupidly had been on topic.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Actually, the Death Penalty has no deterrent effect on murder.

In fact, states which have outlawed the Death Penalty have lower murder rates than ones that practice it.

FURTHERMORE, every other Western nation has banned the DP. They all have lower murder rates than we do.

The Death Penalty certainly has a deterrent effect on murder rates. Tell us when an executed murderer ever killed another human being? By your logic, we shouldn't punish ANY criminals because criminals aren't deterred by the possibility of being captured, convicted and having to serve jail sentences.

 

[Robert W]

Cruel and unusual punishment in 1783 was something like drawing and quartering or burning alive. That being said, I am against torture and think convicted felons should be put to death in a quick and humane manner like hanging or electrocution immediately after ONE appeal and one request for clemency to whichever lead executive is appropriate, (the President in federal crimes or Governor in state crimes). Our current system of allowing convicted criminals to die of old age on death row while endless appeals and requests for clemency are processed is an affront to justice and an insult to their victims and their families.

My idea of boiling inmates was made thinking that they would die very fast but to the killers in the public, a gruesome way aiming at saving the living since the dead are already gone and disposed of.
Those killed don't get justice and we see families of the dead at times try to save the killers life. Do it fast as you and I say. Stop helping them last 30 years in prison.