An idea of mine about capital punishment

[Jarlaxle]

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Pathetic deflection. Try again.

 

[Robert W]

I just watched Nuremberg (fat Russel Crowe version) and the time from conviction to execution was 15 days.

If we could execute some the worst the Nazis had to offer in that short of a time I see no reason why it should be dragged-out here.

The time from conviction to execution at Nuremberg was shortly after the conclusion of the Nuremberg trials on October 1, 1946. The executions took place on October 16, 1946, when ten prominent Nazi leaders were hanged for their crimes against humanity and war crimes.

Very good movie BTW.

I am happy you recommended it. It is a very good movie. Crowe was outstanding. The focus was 99 percent against him. Do you recall that enormous stadium at Nuremberg? I have been there. 2 army buddies and I went there in my car and we took photos. When we were there, it was in decent condition, in 1963. It is the hugest stadium I have ever been in, and I have been in some huge stadiums. It was said that Hitler talked to a million Germans at a time there. After WW2, the nazi symbol at the top was blown off. The Nazi Joe likes was the first hung in the movie. Cried his ass off.

 

[Robert W]

I don't. I want him nailed to a cross until his bones fall apart.

How many innocent people do you want to die to satisfy your blood lust?

 

[Robert W]

OP wants to boil 'em???? ~S~

Here is my thinking about it.
When a terrible way to die is announced, my hunch is it saves lives. It of course would kill them quickly.

 

[Robert W]

No, he is (for once in his life) correct, in that Nuremburg was a farce. It would have been more honest to simply round up all the German leadership and shoot them.

In the movie, it was done as a military trial. They executed most of them due to testimony. Today some look back and claim it was a Farce. It is too late for anybody were that the case.

 

[Chuz Life]

Pathetic deflection. Try again.

How many innocent people do you want to die to satisfy your blood lust?

I wonder if the reference to the cross and crucifixion was religious based.

 

[1srelluc]

I am happy you recommended it. It is a very good movie. Crowe was outstanding. The focus was 99 percent against him. Do you recall that enormous stadium at Nuremberg? I have been there. 2 army buddies and I went there in my car and we took photos. When we were there, it was in decent condition, in 1963. It is the hugest stadium I have ever been in, and I have been in some huge stadiums. It was said that Hitler talked to a million Germans at a time there. After WW2, the nazi symbol at the top was blown off. The Nazi Joe likes was the first hung in the movie. Cried his ass off.

And pissed himself.

 

[Hafar1014]

I think a lot of you people who love executions are sadistic, to be honest. Forgetting the Constitutional ban on Cruel and Unusual punishment.

The Death Penalty is one of those issues I've gone back and forth on over the years. Part of me knows that intellectually, murdering people to prove murder is bad is illogical. Another part of me sees these animals and wants to punish them with something more than three hots and a cot for the rest of their lives.

But the tie breaker for me is that since we resumed executions in 1976, 202 people convicted and sent to death row were eventually exonerated (thankfully before they were executed.) Compared to 1659 who have been executed. So for every eight people we execute, we let one go.

Innocence Database | Death Penalty Information Center

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Then there are the ones where we suspect they might have been executed wrongly now. Possibly 21 cases.

Executed But Possibly Innocent | Death Penalty Information Center

The Death Penalty Information Center (DPI) is a national non-profit organization whose mission is to serve the media, policymakers, and the general public…

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Texas is currently trying to execute a man who is believed to have been innocent right now.

Robert Roberson’s Stayed Execution: 5 Things to Know

The state wanted to put him to death by lethal injection. Then a court intervened.

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No one has been wrongly executed the appeals system is very good. Some crimes deserve capital punishment. Heres one. I had one of his survivors as a patient. He forced them to eat the ones he killed. She told me she had to witness his execution and only then could she begin to heal

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[Hafar1014]

You could say the same about anyone serving life in prison, who for the most part never murder again.

And given we've executed at least 21 people who never murdered anyone, it doesn't seem like a deterrent at all.

Here's the thing. The guy who the cops have dead to rights (pardon the pun) usually cops a plea to life or less. The poor fool who ends up on Death Row is the one who thinks he can beat the charges because the evidence is weak.

Convicted murderers do murder again after release, though at lower rates than other criminals. While many are rehabilitated, a small percentage of released killers commit new homicides, often prompted by factors like failed parole, recidivism in robbery-related cases, or lapses in risk assessment. High-profile cases exist, such as Kenneth McDuff and Albert Flick.
The Sentencing Project +4
Key Findings on Recidivism and Re-killing:

• Recidivism Rates: One study found that, while 59.7% of general offenders were rearrested, only 12.8% of released murderers were. However, a separate study indicated that 41% of people released after a homicide conviction were rearrested for some form of crime.
• Re-offending Profiles: Murderers who committed their crimes during robberies are more likely to commit crimes upon release.
• Examples of Re-killing:
  • Timothy Chavira: Paroled in 2017 after 30 years for a 1986 murder, he killed again in 2019.
  • Albert Flick: Released despite a long history of violence, he killed again in 2019.
  • Kenneth McDuff: Released from death row in 1989, he killed again within three days of release and continued over three years.
• International Data: In the UK, over 30 individuals with homicide convictions committed murder or manslaughter between 2000/1 and

 

[Jarlaxle]

How many innocent people do you want to die to satisfy your blood lust?

Chauvin is guilty, it's on video.

I wonder if the reference to the cross and crucifixion was religious based.

Naah, just to use bad cops as object lessons.

No one has been wrongly executed the appeals system is very good.

This HAS to be satire.

 

[JoeB131]

Lordy-lord....Apologizing for Nazis!.....You people need to be watched, carefully.

Who was "Apologizing"? I was pointing out that executing a man for his opinions, no matter how noxious, was wrong.

What made Nuremberg unjust is that FAR WORSE criminals got away with lesser sentences.

Albert Speer's actions as Armorments Minister killed thousands of people in the work camps.

Streicher just ran a newspaper that said mean things.

Yet Streicher got the rope, but Speer got 20 years and a successful career as an author, writing books about his experiences.

Or we could look at Raeder and Donitz, who weren't really Nazis, but still got 20 years for unrestricted submarine warfare.

Yet the US used an identical strategy against Japanese shipping in the Pacific.

 

[JoeB131]

No one has been wrongly executed the appeals system is very good. Some crimes deserve capital punishment. Heres one. I had one of his survivors as a patient. He forced them to eat the ones he killed. She told me she had to witness his execution and only then could she begin to heal

I doubt anyone "heals" because they watch another human being be murdered by the state.

I gave you a list of 21 people where there are serious doubts if they committed the crime they were accused of.

But let's concentrate on one. Cameron Todd Willingham.

His house burned down with his three children in it. He was executed for murder, even though there is pretty clear evidence that the finding of arson was wrong.

Cameron Todd Willingham’s Wrongful Execution Gains New Attention After Netflix’s Trial by Fire Release - Innocence Project

Netflix’s release of Trial by Fire in 2025 has reignited public interest in Cameron Todd Willingham’s wrongful execution and the flawed arson science that sealed his fate.

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Mr. Willingham always claimed his innocence, and the arson investigation used to convict him was questioned by leading experts before he was executed. Since 2004, further evidence in the case has led to the inescapable conclusion that Mr. Willingham did not set the fire for which he was executed. The Texas Forensic Science Commission issued its report on the convictions of Cameron Todd Willingham and Ernest Willis on April 15, 2011 recommending more education and training for fire investigators and implementing procedures to review old cases (the commission issued an addendum to the report on October 28, 2011).

Convicted murderers do murder again after release, though at lower rates than other criminals. While many are rehabilitated, a small percentage of released killers commit new homicides, often prompted by factors like failed parole, recidivism in robbery-related cases, or lapses in risk assessment. High-profile cases exist, such as Kenneth McDuff and Albert Flick.

Okay, again, let's get real here. This is about the allocation of resources. We only execute 30-50 people a year. We have 22,000 homicides in this country a year. Which means simple math, 21,950 will NOT get the death penalty.

Now, prisons and prosecutors have limited budgets. Which means that for the very expensive death penalty prosecutions (average cost of a DP prosecution and appeals is 3.2 MILLION in Florida). This means that there is less money to lock up other murderers, some of whom are going to get parole if they say "I found Jesus" enough times to a parole board.

Locking people up for life is more cost effective.

 

[JoeB131]

The Nazi Joe likes was the first hung in the movie. Cried his ass off.

Which is why you shouldn't get your history from movies.


Streicher's was the most melodramatic of the hangings carried out that night. At the bottom of the scaffold he cried out "Heil Hitler!". When he mounted the platform, he delivered his last sneering reference to Jewish scripture, snapping "Purimfest!" Streicher's final declaration before the hood went over his head was, "The Bolsheviks will hang you one day!"<a Joseph Kingsbury-Smith, a journalist for the International News Service who covered the executions, said in his filed report that after the hood descended over Streicher's head, he said "Adele, meine liebe Frau!" ("Adele, my dear wife!").

The consensus among eyewitnesses was that Streicher did not receive a quick death from spinal severing. As with at least several others, the bungled hanging was caused by the hangman, Master Sergeant John C. Woods.


Woods is an interesting story. He essentially lied his way into the executioner's job with the Army. He had no idea what he was doing and frequently botched his executions.

After the war, he was assigned to a South Pacific Island with a bunch of German scientists, and "mysteriously" died in an electrical accident.

 

[Robert W]

Which is why you shouldn't get your history from movies.


Streicher's was the most melodramatic of the hangings carried out that night. At the bottom of the scaffold he cried out "Heil Hitler!". When he mounted the platform, he delivered his last sneering reference to Jewish scripture, snapping "Purimfest!" Streicher's final declaration before the hood went over his head was, "The Bolsheviks will hang you one day!"<a Joseph Kingsbury-Smith, a journalist for the International News Service who covered the executions, said in his filed report that after the hood descended over Streicher's head, he said "Adele, meine liebe Frau!" ("Adele, my dear wife!").

The consensus among eyewitnesses was that Streicher did not receive a quick death from spinal severing. As with at least several others, the bungled hanging was caused by the hangman, Master Sergeant John C. Woods.


Woods is an interesting story. He essentially lied his way into the executioner's job with the Army. He had no idea what he was doing and frequently botched his executions.

After the war, he was assigned to a South Pacific Island with a bunch of German scientists, and "mysteriously" died in an electrical accident.

Had they boiled the Germans, this would not have happened.

 

[JoeB131]

Had they boiled the Germans, this would not have happened.

If they hadn't screwed over Germany after WWI, NONE of this would have happened.

 

[Robert W]

Who was "Apologizing"? I was pointing out that executing a man for his opinions, no matter how noxious, was wrong.

What made Nuremberg unjust is that FAR WORSE criminals got away with lesser sentences.

Albert Speer's actions as Armorments Minister killed thousands of people in the work camps.

Streicher just ran a newspaper that said mean things.

Yet Streicher got the rope, but Speer got 20 years and a successful career as an author, writing books about his experiences.

Or we could look at Raeder and Donitz, who weren't really Nazis, but still got 20 years for unrestricted submarine warfare.

Yet the US used an identical strategy against Japanese shipping in the Pacific.

For the man who argues Ashli Babbitt was rightfully murdered, this is strange you plead the case for the Nazi publisher of Der Sturmer.

 

[Robert W]

If they hadn't screwed over Germany after WWI, NONE of this would have happened.

That is a great point. Still Hitler once in office did a lot of great things for his people which is why they loved him as much as they did.

 

[Robert W]

And pissed himself.

Wonder if it was Crowes idea to show that? The urinary tract and bowels do that upon death. The good news is the dead don't care.

 

[Dorian Mode]

I think we should treat convicted criminals the same way we do unwanted children in the womb.

Put them in a nice small dark warm room with only a small opening. Provide them with food and water to keep them alive until their scheduled day. Then, when they are least expecting it, reach in and grab them by a leg or an arm and pull them to the opening. If an arm or leg gets torn off? Grab another.

Turn them face down and pull their lower body through the opening, all the way up to the base of their neck.

Then, bore a hold in the base of their skull and suck out their brain material, before finally removing their collapsed head.

If this is acceptable to do to an innocent child, the leftardz should have no problem doing the same to a convicted murderer.

Flipping the script on the dumocraps always gets extra points. Bravo!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Can we kill this thread? Its disgusting.