An Example of Doublethink

[ihopehefails]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

Another example is condemning Gov. Palin's public land royalty give back as redistribution of wealth but then be the biggest advocates of it redistribution of wealth.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

Am I the only beginning to notice this?

 

[PeterS]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

Another example is condemning Gov. Palin's public land royalty give back as redistribution of wealth but then be the biggest advocates of it redistribution of wealth.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

Am I the only beginning to notice this?

Since logic and critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit I would have no idea what you are beginning to notice. As for Palin and Bush: royalties are a form of taxation which Palin increased and redistributed to the citizens of Alaska. Call that what ever you like. TARP had to do with rescuing our financial system and preserving quality of life. That has zero to do with ideology, conservative or not.

 

[Article 15]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

I applaud Bush and Obama for TARP. I wish they put more teeth into it but I'm glad they at least didn't go with the first proposal that was pretty much written on a cocktail napkin.

Another example is condemning Gov. Palin's public land royalty give back as redistribution of wealth but then be the biggest advocates of it redistribution of wealth.

You are confusing liberals pointing out Palin's hypocrisy with doublethink in this situation.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

This is incoherent.

The idea that the world isn't black or white but gray, is to state that not everything is absolute; that there are many things to consider in any given situation.

Are you trying to make a point about race or something? Again, this is unclear.

 

[ihopehefails]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

I applaud Bush and Obama for TARP. I wish they put more teeth into it but I'm glad they at least didn't go with the first proposal that was pretty much written on a cocktail napkin.

Another example is condemning Gov. Palin's public land royalty give back as redistribution of wealth but then be the biggest advocates of it redistribution of wealth.

You are confusing liberals pointing out Palin's hypocrisy with doublethink in this situation.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

This is incoherent.

The idea that the world isn't black or white but gray, is to state that not everything is absolute; that there are many things to consider in any given situation.

Are you trying to make a point about race or something? Again, this is unclear.

This slogan typifies doublethink because two separate and opposite ideas such as being black or white can somehow have equal meaning like being gray.

 

[ihopehefails]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

Another example is condemning Gov. Palin's public land royalty give back as redistribution of wealth but then be the biggest advocates of it redistribution of wealth.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

Am I the only beginning to notice this?

Since logic and critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit I would have no idea what you are beginning to notice. As for Palin and Bush: royalties are a form of taxation which Palin increased and redistributed to the citizens of Alaska. Call that what ever you like. TARP had to do with rescuing our financial system and preserving quality of life. That has zero to do with ideology, conservative or not.

Yes but to actually criticize it as 'redistribution of wealth' as if that is something you oppose but then vote for a guy that plans on doing it is basically saying I hate people who redistribute wealth but love the ones that do which is doublethink.

 

[Article 15]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

I applaud Bush and Obama for TARP. I wish they put more teeth into it but I'm glad they at least didn't go with the first proposal that was pretty much written on a cocktail napkin.



You are confusing liberals pointing out Palin's hypocrisy with doublethink in this situation.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

This is incoherent.

The idea that the world isn't black or white but gray, is to state that not everything is absolute; that there are many things to consider in any given situation.

Are you trying to make a point about race or something? Again, this is unclear.

This slogan typifies doublethink because two separate and opposite ideas such as being black or white can somehow have equal meaning like being gray.

Still not tracking you.

*shrug*

 

[ihopehefails]

I applaud Bush and Obama for TARP. I wish they put more teeth into it but I'm glad they at least didn't go with the first proposal that was pretty much written on a cocktail napkin.



You are confusing liberals pointing out Palin's hypocrisy with doublethink in this situation.



This is incoherent.

The idea that the world isn't black or white but gray, is to state that not everything is absolute; that there are many things to consider in any given situation.

Are you trying to make a point about race or something? Again, this is unclear.

This slogan typifies doublethink because two separate and opposite ideas such as being black or white can somehow have equal meaning like being gray.

Still not tracking you.

*shrug*

There are two opposite ideas that are somehow both equal or truthful. In this case the color black is an opposite 'idea' than the color white and if that is confusing then think that two people can have an idea about the color of a coffee mug. One says white the other says black. Only one of those can be true. The doublthink answer it say that it is both ideas are true and the combination of black and white is gray.

 

[Article 15]

That still makes no sense to me.

 

[PeterS]

Double think is defined in 1984 as holding two opposite ideas and believing that they are both true. Now this may seem like fiction but look how the left condemned Bush's TARP approval as not be 'conservative' or Reagan like (which it wasn't) and then praise Obama it by giving him credit for it for saving or creating jobs.

Another example is condemning Gov. Palin's public land royalty give back as redistribution of wealth but then be the biggest advocates of it redistribution of wealth.

The biggest example of double think is the fact the liberals spend their entire time telling us the world isn't black or white buy gray which is saying that two opposite colors such as being black or being white are somehow not different colors at all.

Am I the only beginning to notice this?

Since logic and critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit I would have no idea what you are beginning to notice. As for Palin and Bush: royalties are a form of taxation which Palin increased and redistributed to the citizens of Alaska. Call that what ever you like. TARP had to do with rescuing our financial system and preserving quality of life. That has zero to do with ideology, conservative or not.

Yes but to actually criticize it as 'redistribution of wealth' as if that is something you oppose but then vote for a guy that plans on doing it is basically saying I hate people who redistribute wealth but love the ones that do which is doublethink.

Palin and conservatives are applying the double think here. Palin raised taxes on business then redistributed the wealth. She and conservatives then criticize democrats when they do the same thing. That is the double think you speak of.

 

[FireGod]

Here is an example:
A certain group claims that having a public option health care system is socialist therefore EVIL.

Now tell that same group of people that Medicare and Medicaid are now going to be stopped and absorbed by private health insurance because having a public option health care system is socialist and therefore EVIL.


Here is another one:
Directly paying off a politician is considered bribery.
Indirectly paying off a politician is considered free speech.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Since logic and critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit I would have no idea what you are beginning to notice. As for Palin and Bush: royalties are a form of taxation which Palin increased and redistributed to the citizens of Alaska. Call that what ever you like. TARP had to do with rescuing our financial system and preserving quality of life. That has zero to do with ideology, conservative or not.

Palin didn't 'redistribute' anything, she gave back to the people what was stolen from them from corrupt politicians.

For those attacking Governor Palin for raising taxes on oil companies in Alaska, the facts tell a much different story. After rampant corruption was stopped and criminal politicians, along with oil executives, fined and/or thrown in jail, Sarah Palin set out to reverse the damage done. Here is the Palin tax proposal before Alaska's legislature got a hold of it. This is what Sarah Palin is responsible for on the issue of oil industry taxes in Alaska:

The basic elements of the Palin tax proposal, called Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share, are:

• 25 percent tax on net profits, or the value of the oil minus operating expenses and pipeline and tanker charges. That compares with the 22.5 percent Petroleum Profits Tax passed in 2006. The tax rate rises when oil prices are high.

• Protection when oil prices are low. The big fields of Kuparuk and Prudhoe Bay would pay at least a 10 percent gross tax on the oil's value. This tax on the gross -- before operating expenses are deducted -- would be instead of a tax on net profits, not in addition to it.

• Changes in allowable tax credits and deductions. Producers no longer could write off the cost of replacing deteriorating pipelines.

• Higher salaries for oil tax auditors.

• More information for the state from oil producers and better sharing of information between state agencies.

What you see above is where the $1200 tax rebate came from that sent to the people of Alaska who were robbed by politicians convicted of taking bribes from oil company executives. When you read the actual proposal instead giving a knee-jerk reaction to a tax increase, it is clear this isn't a tax hike near as much as it is returning stolen money back to taxpayers. Not only was there bribery, but her predecessor was giving special breaks to oil companies as Palin stated in this report from FoxNews referencing both McCain and the Governor:

Palin supports offshore drilling like McCain, but they diverge on drilling in the off-limits Artic Wildlife National Refuge. She’s for it and he’s against it, although he’s said he is willing to re-examine the issue.

They both oppose a national windfall profits tax on oil companies, saying it would hinder domestic production. But she raised taxes on oil companies in Alaska last year, arguing that her predecessor, Frank Murkowski gave them too many breaks.

When asked by FOXNews.com whether McCain’s criticism of Obama’s similar proposal to tax oil companies was a contradiction to Palin’s actions last year, McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds batted the question away.

Governor Palin did what any conservative worth their own soul would have done. She gave tax dollars that were literally stolen from Alaskan taxpayers right back to them and appropriately reversed corrupt tax policy. Not only did she bring ethics back to the tax policy in regards to the oil industry in Alaska, she improved the policy itself in her proposal.

Cary Wesberry, Political Blog, Conservative Bloggers, Republican Blogspot, Political Blogs

 

[ihopehefails]

Since logic and critical thinking is clearly not your strong suit I would have no idea what you are beginning to notice. As for Palin and Bush: royalties are a form of taxation which Palin increased and redistributed to the citizens of Alaska. Call that what ever you like. TARP had to do with rescuing our financial system and preserving quality of life. That has zero to do with ideology, conservative or not.

Yes but to actually criticize it as 'redistribution of wealth' as if that is something you oppose but then vote for a guy that plans on doing it is basically saying I hate people who redistribute wealth but love the ones that do which is doublethink.

Palin and conservatives are applying the double think here. Palin raised taxes on business then redistributed the wealth. She and conservatives then criticize democrats when they do the same thing. That is the double think you speak of.

A royalty is not a tax but a fee for using public land much like the government charges you a fee for using govt provided water. This money is then given back to the people because it is a public land so it is not redistribution since redistribution is the government charging you a tax on the fruit of your labor (your income) and giving that 'fruit' to those who did not work for it.

This is why taxes like sales, property, or even a flat income tax is not redistribution because the reward for you labor is not being taxed and given to another person who did not work for it.

Its also the reason why liberals oppose paying for social programs with those taxes but insist on all social programs being paid for with a progressive income tax.

 

[ihopehefails]

That still makes no sense to me.

Two people have an idea that the coffee mug is either an 8oz mug or a 12 oz mug. Only one can be correct but if you double-think it then you have to say that both are equally true so you develop the 'gray' answer and average the two ideas about the volume of the mug and say it is 10oz mug.

 

[Zoom-boing]

That still makes no sense to me.

Two people have an idea that the coffee mug is either an 8oz mug or a 12 oz mug. Only one can be correct but if you double-think it then you have to say that both are equally true so you develop the 'gray' answer and average the two ideas about the volume of the mug and say it is 10oz mug.

10 oz. of coffee is not nearly enough.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

This slogan typifies doublethink because two separate and opposite ideas such as being black or white can somehow have equal meaning like being gray.

I think you're misunderstanding the saying - which is hard for me to believe, seeing as it's a pretty straight-forward expression.

The "gray" in the expression refers to the fact that many things do not have absolute correct answers. Take this example:

Conservatives believe that Unions are corrupt, but corporations are fine.
Liberals believe that corporations are corrupt, but unions are great.

*I* think they're both corrupt, but still both play an important part in our capitalist system.

That's the "gray".

 

[ihopehefails]

This slogan typifies doublethink because two separate and opposite ideas such as being black or white can somehow have equal meaning like being gray.

I think you're misunderstanding the saying - which is hard for me to believe, seeing as it's a pretty straight-forward expression.

The "gray" in the expression refers to the fact that many things do not have absolute correct answers. Take this example:

Conservatives believe that Unions are corrupt, but corporations are fine.
Liberals believe that corporations are corrupt, but unions are great.

*I* think they're both corrupt, but still both play an important part in our capitalist system.

That's the "gray".

I know things are more complicated but whenever someone brings up the the world is never black or white but gray they are saying that one side can't be correct and the other side incorrect but both are correct (or incorrect) which is why they say the world is gray which is like double-think.