Zone1 An Example of a White Individual Taking Personal Responsibility

[JoeB131]

It also reduces the need for employees to do it.

Yet today we have a labor shortage, not a labor surplus.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yet today we have a labor shortage, not a labor surplus.

A labor shortage in low-skilled jobs that teenagers used to do. We don’t have for something like twenty million illegal aliens (the nine to ten that Biden admits to and the twelve that the pro-illegal alien crowd have been admitting to for the past couple of decades).

 

[JoeB131]

A labor shortage in low-skilled jobs that teenagers used to do. We don’t have for something like twenty million illegal aliens (the nine to ten that Biden admits to and the twelve that the pro-illegal alien crowd have been admitting to for the past couple of decades).

The problem is you consider it a zero-sum game. 20 million more job seekers are also 20 million more consumers. So they create net jobs.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The problem is you consider it a zero-sum game. 20 million more job seekers are also 20 million more consumers. So they create net jobs.

The money they earn barely pays for food and rent. The balance goes home as remittances or to pay the cartel coyotes.

 

[Lisa558]

The money they earn barely pays for food and rent. The balance goes home as remittances or to pay the cartel coyotes.

And don’t forget - they lower the caliber of the schools and the values of the homes in which they settle. Working class Americans who were hoping that their kids could get a decent education and win scholarships to college now see them stuck in “2-rated” schools.

I pray for Trump’s win, and the deportation of these people. The only ones permitted to remain will be those with valid asylum claims.

 

[JoeB131]

The money they earn barely pays for food and rent. The balance goes home as remittances or to pay the cartel coyotes.

Well, that's the thing, you see... someone gets paid for that food and rent. '

More to the point, however, we get the value of their labor.

For instance, no one really wants to clean toilets or do landscaping. But we get the value of undocumented people doing it.

And don’t forget - they lower the caliber of the schools and the values of the homes in which they settle. Working class Americans who were hoping that their kids could get a decent education and win scholarships to college now see them stuck in “2-rated” schools.

Oh, bullshit, if you are waiting for your school to get you into college, that's a long wait for a train that never comes.

Also, every generation has this kind of anti-immigrant bullshit.

150 years ago it was the Irish.
100 years ago it was the Germans and Italians and Jews.
50 years ago it was the Poles.

I pray for Trump’s win, and the deportation of these people. The only ones permitted to remain will be those with valid asylum claims.

Why do I get the impression that someone in 1933 prayed for Hitler's win for the same reason? But of course, Lisa can't see the irony of why hating "the other" is wrong.

 

[Hector12]

The problem is you consider it a zero-sum game. 20 million more job seekers are also 20 million more consumers. So they create net jobs.

They are 20 million people competing for jobs and places for live. Consequently they enable employers to cut wages and they enable landlords to raise rents.

The high immigration rate is a major reason for the growing income gap.

 

[JoeB131]

They are 20 million people competing for jobs and places for live. Consequently they enable employers to cut wages and they enable landlords to raise rents.

The high immigration rate is a major reason for the growing income gap.

No, it isn't. The Gap was still growing even when immigration was relatively light under Obama and Bush.

The reason why the income gap is growing is because the rich are too damned greedy.

If you were really liberal, you'd know this. You know, instead of only being liberal for white people and those darkies can stuff it. Oh, don't worry, Jews and "Orientals", you are almost white enough for Hector.

The kinds of jobs that the undocumented are taking are the shitty jobs even the poorest Americans don't want to do.

Heck, I don't even see white kids working in McDonald's anymore... it's all immigrants... because white kids don't want to work their way through college like I did. (They couldn't afford to, anyway!)

As for housing, another area where we kind of screwed ourselves.

You see, some fucking genius had the idea that when they got rid of the high-rise projects (which were a terrible idea), instead of replacing them with scattered site affordable housing, they just handed out vouchers. So poor people got vouchers to move into nicer neighborhoods and the immigrants moved into the communities they left behind. No one felt the need to build more affordable housing.

 

[Hector12]

No, it isn't. The Gap was still growing even when immigration was relatively light under Obama and Bush.

The reason why the income gap is growing is because the rich are too damned greedy.

Since the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 was passed into law the income gap has grown. It is not the only reason, but it is one reason.

The rich have always been greedy. The high rate of immigration has enabled them to act on their greed.

 

[Hector12]

The kinds of jobs that the undocumented are taking are the shitty jobs even the poorest Americans don't want to do.

The way to solve that problem is to eliminate most of the welfare system while increasing the severity of the criminal justice system.

 

[JoeB131]

Since the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 was passed into law the income gap has grown. It is not the only reason, but it is one reason.

The rich have always been greedy. The high rate of immigration has enabled them to act on their greed.

Actually, it's not a reason at all. Immigrants work their asses off.

It's Americans who have become complacent and lazy.

And they keep voting for people who make it worse. Bust those unions and cut taxes on the rich! Oh, wait, what happened to my middle class?

The way to solve that problem is to eliminate most of the welfare system while increasing the severity of the criminal justice system.

Yet the Europeans and Japanese have a less severe criminal justice system, and they have nowhere near our poverty and crime rates.

 

[Hector12]

Yet the Europeans and Japanese have a less severe criminal justice system, and they have nowhere near our poverty and crime rates.

They also have virtually no Negroes and Hispanics.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well, that's the thing, you see... someone gets paid for that food and rent. '

More to the point, however, we get the value of their labor.

For instance, no one really wants to clean toilets or do landscaping. But we get the value of undocumented people doing it.



Oh, bullshit, if you are waiting for your school to get you into college, that's a long wait for a train that never comes.

Also, every generation has this kind of anti-immigrant bullshit.

150 years ago it was the Irish.
100 years ago it was the Germans and Italians and Jews.
50 years ago it was the Poles.



Why do I get the impression that someone in 1933 prayed for Hitler's win for the same reason? But of course, Lisa can't see the irony of why hating "the other" is wrong.

The difference is that all previous immigrant waves came in numbers that could be assimilated. The current immigrants are in danger of assimilating US.

 

[JoeB131]

They also have virtually no Negroes and Hispanics.

They have plenty of Africans and South Asians, except for Japan.

 

[JoeB131]

The difference is that all previous immigrant waves came in numbers that could be assimilated. The current immigrants are in danger of assimilating US.

Yes, this is exactly the kind of shit people said back in the 19th century. And it wasn't true then, either.

 

[Lisa558]

The difference is that all previous immigrant waves came in numbers that could be assimilated. The current immigrants are in danger of assimilating US.

Especially since they aren’t even required to learn English because the government translates everything into Spanish for them. Just ONCE I’d like to go to the shopping mall and hear more English than Spanish.

 

[JoeB131]

Especially since they aren’t even required to learn English because the government translates everything into Spanish for them. Just ONCE I’d like to go to the shopping mall and hear more English than Spanish.

Is this the same mall that had nothing but pictures of black people?

 

[Hector12]

They have plenty of Africans and South Asians, except for Japan.

They do not have nearly as much of those people as we have, but the one's they do have are causing problems for them. The Japanese are wise to keep those people out of Japan.

 

[JoeB131]

They do not have nearly as much of those people as we have, but the one's they do have are causing problems for them. The Japanese are wise to keep those people out of Japan.

Not really.

Japan is undergoing a demographic death spiral because there aren't enough replacement babies.

Alert in Japan: The country is on the verge of collapse due to declining births - Voz Media

The Japanese government estimates that it has six years to reverse its depopulation before it effects the country’s well-being.

voz.us

The reason why Europe and the US aren't in similar situations is that we have a healthy number of immigrants coming in.

 

[Hector12]

Not really.

Japan is undergoing a demographic death spiral because there aren't enough replacement babies.

Alert in Japan: The country is on the verge of collapse due to declining births - Voz Media

The Japanese government estimates that it has six years to reverse its depopulation before it effects the country’s well-being.

voz.us

The reason why Europe and the US aren't in similar situations is that we have a healthy number of immigrants coming in.

Japan has one of the highest life expectancies in the world. We do not read about elderly people in Japan who are poorly cared for.