9/11 Common sense vs propaganda

[creativedreams]

Anyone with a lick of common sense can see that this is not just a collapsing building and that everything but the steel was exploded into dust before it even hits the gound.....unless of course they are a full time propaganda pusher on a constant "debunking" mission......

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_B_Azbg0go"]YouTube- South Tower Smoking Guns[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBVhxnkK6s8"]YouTube- South Tower Smoking Guns (Follow-up)[/ame]

 

[candycorn]

Yawn!

 

[creativedreams]

Yawn!

All this propaganda work wearing you out? Get some rest.....

Anyone with a lick of common sense can see that this is not just a collapsing building and that everything but the steel was exploded into dust before it even hits the gound.....unless of course they are a full time propaganda pusher on a constant "debunking" mission......

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_B_Azbg0go"]YouTube- South Tower Smoking Guns[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBVhxnkK6s8"]YouTube- South Tower Smoking Guns (Follow-up)[/ame]

 

[candycorn]

Yawn!

All this propaganda work wearing you out? Get some rest.....

I wouldn't call it "truth" either dumbfuck.

Heres what a former twoofer has to say about you and your pathetic movement:

Change of Heart?

I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's fuckin girlfriend changed him overnight."

If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement.

My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut.

For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked.

I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented.

Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts.

There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's?

The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off."

This is absolute horseshit, which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement. Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are fucking lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha fuckin bitch ass money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my fuckin stomach.

Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a fuck because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change."

Controlled demolitions: absolute bullshit. Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of ass that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. Fuck you, fuck avery & bermas, fuck 9/11 mysteries, and fuck every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research."


I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense.

Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight.

9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their bullshit theories.

But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01.

Change of heart? My heart's always been in the right place. I was just cheating myself of making an informed judgment on all the information available.

I'm done, thanks.

 

[creativedreams]

Yawn!

All this propaganda work wearing you out? Get some rest.....

I wouldn't call it "truth" either dumbfuck.

Heres what a former twoofer has to say about you and your pathetic movement:

Change of Heart?


I'm done, thanks.

Whatever.....he was probably a disinfo pushing plant.....just like your friend Gaze at the Blue who admitted to infiltrating 9/11 Petitions to discredit them.

What kind of fucking person would do such a thing in an attempt to destroy the wishes of the many legitimate people on the petition?

Piece of shits like you that do nothing but push propaganda in an attempt to sway people away from wanting a new investigation.

 

[candycorn]

All this propaganda work wearing you out? Get some rest.....

I wouldn't call it "truth" either dumbfuck.

Heres what a former twoofer has to say about you and your pathetic movement:

Change of Heart?


I'm done, thanks.

Whatever.....he was probably a disinfo pushing plant.....just like your friend Gaze at the Blue who admitted to infiltrating 9/11 Petitions to discredit them.

What kind of fucking person would do such a thing in an attempt to destroy the wishes of the many legitimate people on the petition?

Piece of shits like you that do nothing but push propaganda in an attempt to sway people away from wanting a new investigation.

You just called your own post "propaganda" dumb fuck. Is your life really as empty as it appears to be? Gaze was pretty crafty but I'm sure you have her mixed up with someone else; she lives in Jolly Old Scotland...not may petitions over there.

 

[creativedreams]

I wouldn't call it "truth" either dumbfuck.

Heres what a former twoofer has to say about you and your pathetic movement:

Whatever.....he was probably a disinfo pushing plant.....just like your friend Gaze at the Blue who admitted to infiltrating 9/11 Petitions to discredit them.

What kind of fucking person would do such a thing in an attempt to destroy the wishes of the many legitimate people on the petition?

Piece of shits like you that do nothing but push propaganda in an attempt to sway people away from wanting a new investigation.

You just called your own post "propaganda" dumb fuck. Is your life really as empty as it appears to be? Gaze was pretty crafty but I'm sure you have her mixed up with someone else; she lives in Jolly Old Scotland...not may petitions over there.

Yes that's the one....she admitted doing it.......she claimed it was to "test their standards"

Makes you wonder how many more like her pulled that kind of shit with the petitions.

 

[candycorn]

Whatever.....he was probably a disinfo pushing plant.....just like your friend Gaze at the Blue who admitted to infiltrating 9/11 Petitions to discredit them.

What kind of fucking person would do such a thing in an attempt to destroy the wishes of the many legitimate people on the petition?

Piece of shits like you that do nothing but push propaganda in an attempt to sway people away from wanting a new investigation.

You just called your own post "propaganda" dumb fuck. Is your life really as empty as it appears to be? Gaze was pretty crafty but I'm sure you have her mixed up with someone else; she lives in Jolly Old Scotland...not may petitions over there.

Yes that's the one....she admitted doing it.......she claimed it was to "test their standards"

Makes you wonder how many more like her pulled that kind of shit with the petitions.

Apparently their standards were not that tight then...obviously do what you always do and blame someone else instead of your fellow dumbasses. LOL. Maybe one of your so-called engineers could learn how to hold a petition drive right next time loser.

 

[Fizz]

All this propaganda work wearing you out? Get some rest.....

I wouldn't call it "truth" either dumbfuck.

Heres what a former twoofer has to say about you and your pathetic movement:

Change of Heart?


I'm done, thanks.

Whatever.....he was probably a disinfo pushing plant.....just like your friend Gaze at the Blue who admitted to infiltrating 9/11 Petitions to discredit them.

What kind of fucking person would do such a thing in an attempt to destroy the wishes of the many legitimate people on the petition?

Piece of shits like you that do nothing but push propaganda in an attempt to sway people away from wanting a new investigation.

HAHAHAhahahaha!!

anyone that disagrees with a twoofer must be a disnfo agent!!

dude, get some proffesional help. you need it.


please explain this recording. was betty ong part of the conspiracy? how about her family that obviously would recognize her voice on the recording and confirm its her? why the need to stab people on a plane if it is just going to be flown by remote control into a building anyway?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Tr0u35Tek&feature=related[/ame]

 

[creativedreams]

You just called your own post "propaganda" dumb fuck. Is your life really as empty as it appears to be? Gaze was pretty crafty but I'm sure you have her mixed up with someone else; she lives in Jolly Old Scotland...not may petitions over there.

Yes that's the one....she admitted doing it.......she claimed it was to "test their standards"

Makes you wonder how many more like her pulled that kind of shit with the petitions.

Apparently their standards were not that tight then...obviously do what you always do and blame someone else instead of your fellow dumbasses. LOL. Maybe one of your so-called engineers could learn how to hold a petition drive right next time loser.

National Geographic just aired some debunking propaganda, which nowadays somehow replaces new official investigations, and said 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Surely if more Americans took the time to look into it then the percentage would be much higher.

It is you and your fellow debunking dumbasses that are the fucking losers trying to sway and keep from having a new investigation.

In your twisted fucking mind you somehow think you stand for what's right by trying to sway away from a new investigation......

 

[Fizz]

Yes that's the one....she admitted doing it.......she claimed it was to "test their standards"

Makes you wonder how many more like her pulled that kind of shit with the petitions.

Apparently their standards were not that tight then...obviously do what you always do and blame someone else instead of your fellow dumbasses. LOL. Maybe one of your so-called engineers could learn how to hold a petition drive right next time loser.

National Geographic just aired some debunking propaganda, which nowadays somehow replaces new official investigations, and said 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Surely if more Americans took the time to look into it then the percentage would be much higher.

It is you and your fellow debunking dumbasses that are the fucking losers trying to sway and keep from having a new investigation.

In your twisted fucking mind you somehow think you stand for what's right by trying to sway away from a new investigation......

investigate all you want. nobody is stopping you.

and then when the investigation reaches the same conclusions as all the other investigations you can start crying again for another new one...

 

[candycorn]

I wouldn't call it "truth" either dumbfuck.

Heres what a former twoofer has to say about you and your pathetic movement:

Whatever.....he was probably a disinfo pushing plant.....just like your friend Gaze at the Blue who admitted to infiltrating 9/11 Petitions to discredit them.

What kind of fucking person would do such a thing in an attempt to destroy the wishes of the many legitimate people on the petition?

Piece of shits like you that do nothing but push propaganda in an attempt to sway people away from wanting a new investigation.

HAHAHAhahahaha!!

anyone that disagrees with a twoofer must be a disnfo agent!!

dude, get some proffesional help. you need it.


please explain this recording. was betty ong part of the conspiracy? how about her family that obviously would recognize her voice on the recording and confirm its her? why the need to stab people on a plane if it is just going to be flown by remote control into a building anyway?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Tr0u35Tek&feature=related]YouTube - Final 8 Minutes Of Phone Call From Flight 11 On 9/11[/ame]

Shocking that he didn't respond.

One victim of the tragedy actually left a message on a loved one's answering machine (if memory serves) that contained the combination to a wall safe that had her last will and testament. Somehow twoofers never bring that up either.

 

[Toro]

Anyone with a lick of common sense can see that this is not just a collapsing building and that everything but the steel was exploded into dust before it even hits the gound.....unless of course they are a full time propaganda pusher on a constant "debunking" mission......

555 posts, 540 about conspiracy theories.

Nothing like dispelling the notion that twoofers aren't completely obsessed with 9/11 and conspiracies lurking everywhere.

 

[creativedreams]

Anyone with a lick of common sense can see that this is not just a collapsing building and that everything but the steel was exploded into dust before it even hits the gound.....unless of course they are a full time propaganda pusher on a constant "debunking" mission......

555 posts, 540 about conspiracy theories.

Nothing like dispelling the notion that twoofers aren't completely obsessed with 9/11 and conspiracies lurking everywhere.

I used to post a lot about politics in many areas of discussion.....yes this deal of corruption and no new investigation has consumed my research and posting desires.

Somehow now propaganda to try and sway people is the tactic instead of new official investigation.

Unless that ever happens I will NEVER give a fuck about politics again.

 

[creativedreams]

By the way I am quite sure it never will happen and because of it the United States of America will evolve to become the.....

Least Trusted and MOST Hated country in the World.

Wish our Politicians with no backbone and low I.Q.'s could see that!

 

[creativedreams]

All us so called "Truthers" can do is sit back and watch our country fall apart and become hated by the world......because the likes of you have it in your twisted thoughts that you stand for what's right by swaying people against wanting a new official investigation.

 

[creativedreams]

All us so called "Truthers" can do is sit back and watch our country fall apart and become hated by the world......because the likes of you have it in your twisted thoughts that you stand for what's right by swaying people against wanting a new official investigation.