America's Christian Heritage

[Meriweather]

My parents did it. You make it work if religious education is important.

And if it can be done easier another way, why insist anything be done the hard way?

 

[Meriweather]

I honestly don’t think Merriweather understands the dangers of teaching various religions when ONE religion is in the majority and others - in my case, Judaism - are small minorities subjected to bigotry and assaults.

Teaching religion/faith promotes bigotry and assaults? Consider it may well have the opposite affect. The Founding Fathers envisioned all religions in the public square not all religions removed from the public square.

 

[Lisa558]

And if it can be done easier another way, why insist anything be done the hard way?

Because you way makes students focus on who is “different” - and we have enough bigotry as it is.

 

[BULLDOG]

Often not enough time in the day, plus the added travel time of daily taking their children to another site.

Makes sense. When my kid was young, It was hard to find the time to get her to her yodeling classes. Wouldn't it have been great for the school to give mandatory yodeling classes to all the kids, just like you want to demand the school to give classes for something you want your kid to learn?

 

[alang1216]

Where I am it means the parents be allowed to choose the public school they wish their child to attend. It also means opening the door to public schools to build their own curriculum over unions/state demanding the same curriculum taught the same way be taught everywhere. May I ask that at the very least you don't tell others what I am or what I mean? I have enough people misunderstanding me when I write out what I do mean.

Sorry but it means something different here and I wasn't sure Lisa would know our system.

 

[BULLDOG]

Teaching religion/faith promotes bigotry and assaults? Consider it may well have the opposite affect. The Founding Fathers envisioned all religions in the public square not all religions removed from the public square.

Teaching specific religion does increase bigotry and assaults.

 

[Meriweather]

Makes sense. When my kid was young, It was hard to find the time to get her to her yodeling classes. Wouldn't it have been great for the school to give mandatory yodeling classes to all the kids, just like you want to demand the school to give classes for something you want your kid to learn?

Where do you get the word 'mandatory' from 'elective'? If there are enough students who want to study yodeling, why not add it to the list of electives? What are the reasons for you wanting to make yodeling mandatory instead of an elective?

 

[Lisa558]

Teaching specific religion does increase bigotry and assaults.

OMG! Hell just froze over!

 

[Meriweather]

Teaching specific religion does increase bigotry and assaults.

Then so would teaching history. Should we stop teaching history?

 

[BULLDOG]

I don’t have a daughter.

Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I accidentally convoluted two separate posts.

 

[BULLDOG]

Then so would teaching history. Should we stop teaching history?

History and religion are not the same. Do you really think they are?

 

[Lisa558]

Then so would teaching history. Should we stop teaching history?

I like you, I do. But you’re not able to understand the problems that arise from gathering 30 students in a class and teaching about Jesus, when 26 students are Christian, and 4 are a different religion.

 

[Lisa558]

It reminds me when I was at a work function, and they kicked off the lunch with a prayer thanking Jesus. I was at a table of 10 - all Christians - and I was the sole Jew.

What it did was emphasize that I was “the other.” In today’s environment, with Jewish kids being assaulted outside the public schools and teachers refusing to defend the Jews (due to their pro-Muslim bias), teaching religion in school would only make it worse.

Those in the majority religion, who never had “Christian” keyed across their locker, cannot understand,

 

[Meriweather]

History and religion are not the same. Do you really think they are?

You are claiming teaching different religions increases bigotry and assaults. So why wouldn't teaching history of different cultures and nations have the same result? In other words, do you have scientific studies where one set of public schools taught religion and the other set did not--and that the students of the schools that taught religion were bigots who assaulted others?

 

[Meriweather]

Those in the majority religion, who never had “Christian” keyed across their locker, cannot understand

Especially those who readily attach a decal of a cross to their own lockers. Think about it. Which faith is called to be a light to all nations?

Sometimes, Lisa, I think you have forgotten I have a daughter who attends synagogue--one that is often under threat. Who do you think started her on that path? Who do you think kept one of her friends on that path? And who do you think encouraged her goddaughter to return to that faith when she felt called to do so? I do not want any of these women--or their children--hiding under a bushel basket.

 

[BULLDOG]

You are claiming teaching different religions increases bigotry and assaults. So why wouldn't teaching history of different cultures and nations have the same result? In other words, do you have scientific studies where one set of public schools taught religion and the other set did not--and that the students of the schools that taught religion were bigots who assaulted others?

I don't have such a study at hand, History is verifiable for the most part. Sure, some might try to rewrite parts of it occasionally, but there are hard facts and dates that are tracible to reality. Religion is about belief over facts.

 

[BULLDOG]

Especially those who readily attach a decal of a cross to their own lockers. Think about it. Which faith is called to be a light to all nations?

Sometimes, Lisa, I think you have forgotten I have a daughter who attends synagogue--one that is often under threat. Who do you think started her on that path? Who do you think kept one of her friends on that path? And who do you think encouraged her goddaughter to return to that faith when she felt called to do so? I do not want any of these women--or their children--hiding under a bushel basket.

Just to be clear, You seem to be saying you encouraged her to embrace Judaism over Christianity. Do you want her to go to hell for not accepting Jesus? If I misunderstood your post, please clarify.

 

[Meriweather]

Just to be clear, You seem to be saying you encouraged her to embrace Judaism over Christianity. Do you want her to go to hell for not accepting Jesus? If I misunderstood your post, please clarify.

What did you expect me to say? Maybe, "Honey, Jesus was a Jew, and you certainly don't want to be like him."?

More seriously: I trust in God--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I do not believe in standing in the way of the Holy Spirit. As for my goddaughter: She is descended from a people chosen to be set apart and a people who have an everlasting Covenant with God. When she felt called that her worship/work for God called her through Judaism she had my support. As for my daughter: She knew of my own studies of the Jewish faith, my talks with my goddaughter. She's still studying and searching. She hasn't given up Christianity, she's simply studying both paths, finding her way towards God. She tells me she wants what I have, so she's still figuring things out.

Interesting that you think that if she converts, my daughter will be in hell and that my goddaughter is well on her way. I have a different perspective for both.

 

[BULLDOG]

What did you expect me to say? Maybe, "Honey, Jesus was a Jew, and you certainly don't want to be like him."?

More seriously: I trust in God--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I do not believe in standing in the way of the Holy Spirit. As for my goddaughter: She is descended from a people chosen to be set apart and a people who have an everlasting Covenant with God. When she felt called that her worship/work for God called her through Judaism she had my support. As for my daughter: She knew of my own studies of the Jewish faith, my talks with my goddaughter. She's still studying and searching. She hasn't given up Christianity, she's simply studying both paths, finding her way towards God. She tells me she wants what I have, so she's still figuring things out.

Interesting that you think that if she converts, my daughter will be in hell and that my goddaughter is well on her way. I have a different perspective for both.

I have no belief of what might become of your loved ones depending on which religion they might choose. However you seem to be a devout Christian. The main tenant of Christianity is that Jesus died to save the world, and you have to believe that with every fiber of your being or suffer eternity in hell. Judaism specifically teaches that is not true. Encouraging either of them to embrace Judaism, of necessity, would be condemning them to hell. Of course, if you don't believe they will go to hell for denying Jesus is the savior of the world, you are denying the main tenant of Christianity. Am I missing something?

 

[Grumblenuts]

Am I missing something?

Doubtful. I can never recall if Meri's a guy, gal, or whatever, but it always plays the innocent flower. A bobbing, dodging weasel if there ever was one. Far more artful about it than Ding, but that's no real achievement. Yes, a Catholic. A Christian. Always studying "The Bible" and calling it good. Clearly there's only one and every child should be taught all about it, early and often. "God is Love." Never mind that old, angry, violent testament. Completely ignore separation of church and state. No worries. All is peaches and cream. You just misunderstand.