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Oh noes !!!! A Wall Of Spam !!!
Americans claim guns make for a safe society
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A society can be safe with or without guns – indeed, a country whose society and culture abhor violence, where violence is not an accepted means of conflict resolution, can be awash in guns yet just as safe as any other similar society.
C_Clayton_Jones
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Wrong.
It was never the Framers’ intent that private armed citizens would act to oppose a government having become tyrannical.
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A wall of links and data that gun nuts are frightened of. If any idiot (and boy there's some fucking retarded gun nuts on this forum) want links to quotes, there's loads to plough through.
The links I posted link many studies. But you will never get a gun nut to read reality. Their brain is made up, it helps their weakness, anxieties, power issues, insecurities etc...
I was late posting this because a ton of jobs kicked off since the message AyeCantSeeYou .
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The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.
The psychology of guns: risk, fear, and motivated reasoning - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
The gun debate in America is often framed as a stand-off between two immutable positions with little potential to move ahead with meaningful legislative reform. Attempts to resolve this impasse have been thwarted by thinking about gun ownership attitudes as based on rational choice economics...www.nature.com
Pulled from the articles -
Case-control studies have repeatedly found that gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of gun-related homicide or suicide occurring in the home
For homicides, the association is largely driven by gun-related violence committed by family members and other acquaintances, not strangers
...gun owners are unaware of risks and that repeated warnings about “overwhelming evidence” of “the health risk of a gun in the home [being] greater than the benefit”
...cognitive dissonance may lead those who already own guns to turn a blind eye to research findings about the dangers of ownership. Optimism bias, the general tendency of individuals to overestimate good outcomes and underestimate bad outcomes, can likewise make it easy to disregard dangers by externalizing them to others.
The risk of suicide can therefore be dismissed out of hand based on the rationale that “it will never happen to me”
Lerner et al., 2015 illustrate how emotions can hijack rational-decision-making processes to the point of being the dominant influence on risk assessments.
.....perceived risk judgments....hampered by emotion
...ownership is rooted in fear
...the decision to obtain a firearm is largely motivated by past victimization and/or fears of future victimization
....conservatives were uncharacteristically in favor of gun control
.....mainstream society reflexively codes white men carrying weapons in public as patriots, while marking armed black men as threats or criminals.
....gun ownership among white men may be related to a collective identity as “good guys” protecting themselves against “bad guys” who are people of color
....there is widespread belief that having a gun makes one safer, supported by published claims that where there are “more guns”, there is “less crime”....that has been “discredited"
The bottom line is that when gun owners believe that owning a gun will make them feel safer, little else may matter.
white men in economic distress find comfort in guns as a means to reestablish a sense of individual power and moral certitude
....only about 30% of the US population owns a gun
“gun free zones” may reflect a desire to recreate safe spaces in the wake of mass shootings that invoke feelings of loss of control.
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders and demographic characteristics. The study found that a large number of individuals in the United States have anger traits and also possess firearms at homeGuns, anger, and mental disorders: Results from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication (NCS-R) - PMC
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
embrace their weapons “as a coping mechanism, helping to deal with the anxieties that come from fundamentally believing the world is dangerous and society doesn’t care about you.”
How Owning a Gun Raises Anxiety
In the first webinar of APS’s Science for Society series on September 20, 2023, scientists and advocates shared their expertise and perspectives on the relationship between gun violence and anxiety.www.psychologicalscience.org
How the Gun Became Integral to the Self-Identity of Millions of Americans
The firearm as a totemlike symbol of personal identity emerged from the psychological insecurities of former enslavers after the Civil Warwww.scientificamerican.com
white Southerners started cultivating the tradition of the home arsenal immediately after the Civil War because of insecurities and racial fears
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid
Just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent, research suggests.www.zdnet.com
America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat
America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat
Recent wrong-place shootings have re-ignited the debate around self-defense, and experts said US gun culture is intertwined with its policies.www.businessinsider.com
Gun demanding: the psychology of why people want firearms | Dean Burnett
Dean Burnett: Controlling guns is one thing, but why do so many people want them in the first place? There are numerous possible reasons.www.theguardian.com
Many gun owners confess to feeling vulnerable or “naked” without their guns. Perhaps this isn’t surprising; having a gun gives you considerable power over people.
Op-Ed: Why men feel the need to carry guns
Since the 1960s, the national conversation on firearms in both political and academic circles has revolved around one main question: Do guns increase crime or reduce it?www.latimes.com
If you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, or anything like this, dealing with others can induce a great deal of social anxiety. A gun would provide at least one easy way where you can have the advantage over them for once, even if this reasoning only occurs at a subconscious level.
The fact that it’s more often men who own guns suggests masculinity (toxic or otherwise) plays a part too
In Michigan and other places hit hard by the economic downturn, men’s guns can address social insecurities far beyond crime.
You are a moron.....
600 million guns in private hands.....
Over 22 million Americans can legally carry a gun in public for self defense.....
Gun murder in the United States is concentrated among career criminals who can't legally buy, own or carry guns, and who murder primarily other criminals during criminal activity.....
Suicide happens more in China, Japan, South Korea...than in the United States. China, Japan, South Korea all have extreme gun control.....
Also, many countries in Europe, also with extreme gun control, also have higher suicide rates than the U.S.....
Having a gun does make you safer....from rape, robbery, beatings, stabbings and murder.......
Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?
Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct
There are roughly 100,000 people shot in the United States yearly, and something over 30,000 die. If this 1/3 vs. 2/3 ratio of deaths to injuries in actual shootings pertains in these DGUs, that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms, the losses trumpeted by hoplophobes who only choose to see the risk side of the equation.
that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—
Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct
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You will never get an anti-gun extremist to admit that people own guns to protect themselves and their families from violent criminals, the same way they own a fire extinguisher to protect their families from fires........
You denigrate law abiding people for owning guns because you are a moron........you are afraid of guns, therefore you want them banned....no matter how many innocent men, women and children are raped, murdered, beaten, stabbed, by violent criminals.......
Studies on defensive gun use....
A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense
GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys
Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)
DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)
L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)
Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)
2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.
CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)
Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million
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Bordua...1977...1,414,544
DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)
Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)
Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)
Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)
DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)
Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."
(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])
Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer
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Ohio...1982...771,043
Gallup...1991...777,152
Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)
Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..
2021 national firearms survey..
The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey
Clinton's study by the DOJ....
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.
n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last
While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli
While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.
Obama's study...
Defensive Use of Guns
Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.
Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press
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The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.
The psychology of guns: risk, fear, and motivated reasoning - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
The gun debate in America is often framed as a stand-off between two immutable positions with little potential to move ahead with meaningful legislative reform. Attempts to resolve this impasse have been thwarted by thinking about gun ownership attitudes as based on rational choice economics...
Pulled from the articles -
Case-control studies have repeatedly found that gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of gun-related homicide or suicide occurring in the home
For homicides, the association is largely driven by gun-related violence committed by family members and other acquaintances, not strangers
...gun owners are unaware of risks and that repeated warnings about “overwhelming evidence” of “the health risk of a gun in the home [being] greater than the benefit”
...cognitive dissonance may lead those who already own guns to turn a blind eye to research findings about the dangers of ownership. Optimism bias, the general tendency of individuals to overestimate good outcomes and underestimate bad outcomes, can likewise make it easy to disregard dangers by externalizing them to others.
The risk of suicide can therefore be dismissed out of hand based on the rationale that “it will never happen to me”
Lerner et al., 2015 illustrate how emotions can hijack rational-decision-making processes to the point of being the dominant influence on risk assessments.
.....perceived risk judgments....hampered by emotion
...ownership is rooted in fear
...the decision to obtain a firearm is largely motivated by past victimization and/or fears of future victimization
....conservatives were uncharacteristically in favor of gun control
.....mainstream society reflexively codes white men carrying weapons in public as patriots, while marking armed black men as threats or criminals.
....gun ownership among white men may be related to a collective identity as “good guys” protecting themselves against “bad guys” who are people of color
....there is widespread belief that having a gun makes one safer, supported by published claims that where there are “more guns”, there is “less crime”....that has been “discredited"
The bottom line is that when gun owners believe that owning a gun will make them feel safer, little else may matter.
white men in economic distress find comfort in guns as a means to reestablish a sense of individual power and moral certitude
....only about 30% of the US population owns a gun
“gun free zones” may reflect a desire to recreate safe spaces in the wake of mass shootings that invoke feelings of loss of control.
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders and demographic characteristics. The study found that a large number of individuals in the United States have anger traits and also possess firearms at homeGuns, anger, and mental disorders: Results from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication (NCS-R) - PMC
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders ...
embrace their weapons “as a coping mechanism, helping to deal with the anxieties that come from fundamentally believing the world is dangerous and society doesn’t care about you.”How Owning a Gun Raises Anxiety
In the first webinar of APS’s Science for Society series on September 20, 2023, scientists and advocates shared their expertise and perspectives on the relationship between gun violence and anxiety.
How the Gun Became Integral to the Self-Identity of Millions of Americans
The firearm as a totemlike symbol of personal identity emerged from the psychological insecurities of former enslavers after the Civil War
white Southerners started cultivating the tradition of the home arsenal immediately after the Civil War because of insecurities and racial fears
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoidStudy: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid
Just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent, research suggests.
America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threatAmerica's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat
Recent wrong-place shootings have re-ignited the debate around self-defense, and experts said US gun culture is intertwined with its policies.
Gun demanding: the psychology of why people want firearms | Dean Burnett
Dean Burnett: Controlling guns is one thing, but why do so many people want them in the first place? There are numerous possible reasons.Many gun owners confess to feeling vulnerable or “naked” without their guns. Perhaps this isn’t surprising; having a gun gives you considerable power over people.Op-Ed: Why men feel the need to carry guns
Since the 1960s, the national conversation on firearms in both political and academic circles has revolved around one main question: Do guns increase crime or reduce it?
If you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, or anything like this, dealing with others can induce a great deal of social anxiety. A gun would provide at least one easy way where you can have the advantage over them for once, even if this reasoning only occurs at a subconscious level.
The fact that it’s more often men who own guns suggests masculinity (toxic or otherwise) plays a part too
In Michigan and other places hit hard by the economic downturn, men’s guns can address social insecurities far beyond crime.
The largest growth areas of gun ownership in the United States, you dumb fuck.....are minorities and women.....please...explain that.....
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The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.
The psychology of guns: risk, fear, and motivated reasoning - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
The gun debate in America is often framed as a stand-off between two immutable positions with little potential to move ahead with meaningful legislative reform. Attempts to resolve this impasse have been thwarted by thinking about gun ownership attitudes as based on rational choice economics...
Pulled from the articles -
Case-control studies have repeatedly found that gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of gun-related homicide or suicide occurring in the home
For homicides, the association is largely driven by gun-related violence committed by family members and other acquaintances, not strangers
...gun owners are unaware of risks and that repeated warnings about “overwhelming evidence” of “the health risk of a gun in the home [being] greater than the benefit”
...cognitive dissonance may lead those who already own guns to turn a blind eye to research findings about the dangers of ownership. Optimism bias, the general tendency of individuals to overestimate good outcomes and underestimate bad outcomes, can likewise make it easy to disregard dangers by externalizing them to others.
The risk of suicide can therefore be dismissed out of hand based on the rationale that “it will never happen to me”
Lerner et al., 2015 illustrate how emotions can hijack rational-decision-making processes to the point of being the dominant influence on risk assessments.
.....perceived risk judgments....hampered by emotion
...ownership is rooted in fear
...the decision to obtain a firearm is largely motivated by past victimization and/or fears of future victimization
....conservatives were uncharacteristically in favor of gun control
.....mainstream society reflexively codes white men carrying weapons in public as patriots, while marking armed black men as threats or criminals.
....gun ownership among white men may be related to a collective identity as “good guys” protecting themselves against “bad guys” who are people of color
....there is widespread belief that having a gun makes one safer, supported by published claims that where there are “more guns”, there is “less crime”....that has been “discredited"
The bottom line is that when gun owners believe that owning a gun will make them feel safer, little else may matter.
white men in economic distress find comfort in guns as a means to reestablish a sense of individual power and moral certitude
....only about 30% of the US population owns a gun
“gun free zones” may reflect a desire to recreate safe spaces in the wake of mass shootings that invoke feelings of loss of control.
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders and demographic characteristics. The study found that a large number of individuals in the United States have anger traits and also possess firearms at homeGuns, anger, and mental disorders: Results from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication (NCS-R) - PMC
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders ...
embrace their weapons “as a coping mechanism, helping to deal with the anxieties that come from fundamentally believing the world is dangerous and society doesn’t care about you.”How Owning a Gun Raises Anxiety
In the first webinar of APS’s Science for Society series on September 20, 2023, scientists and advocates shared their expertise and perspectives on the relationship between gun violence and anxiety.
How the Gun Became Integral to the Self-Identity of Millions of Americans
The firearm as a totemlike symbol of personal identity emerged from the psychological insecurities of former enslavers after the Civil War
white Southerners started cultivating the tradition of the home arsenal immediately after the Civil War because of insecurities and racial fears
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoidStudy: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid
Just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent, research suggests.
America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threatAmerica's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat
Recent wrong-place shootings have re-ignited the debate around self-defense, and experts said US gun culture is intertwined with its policies.
Gun demanding: the psychology of why people want firearms | Dean Burnett
Dean Burnett: Controlling guns is one thing, but why do so many people want them in the first place? There are numerous possible reasons.Many gun owners confess to feeling vulnerable or “naked” without their guns. Perhaps this isn’t surprising; having a gun gives you considerable power over people.Op-Ed: Why men feel the need to carry guns
Since the 1960s, the national conversation on firearms in both political and academic circles has revolved around one main question: Do guns increase crime or reduce it?
If you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, or anything like this, dealing with others can induce a great deal of social anxiety. A gun would provide at least one easy way where you can have the advantage over them for once, even if this reasoning only occurs at a subconscious level.
The fact that it’s more often men who own guns suggests masculinity (toxic or otherwise) plays a part too
In Michigan and other places hit hard by the economic downturn, men’s guns can address social insecurities far beyond crime.
Please explain.....
Why do China, Japan, and South Korea have higher rates of suicide than the United States, even though they have extreme gun control?
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Suicide.....
Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide
There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.
According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.
Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).
Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)
Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
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The data show while the per capita ownership of guns has increased, and the rate of suicide has increased, the percentage of suicides with guns has decreased from the 1990s to 2006, then leveled off.
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The percentage of suicides with guns dropped from a high of 61.1 % in 1990 to a low of 47.5% in 2018.
Several studies have found changes in gun laws have no effect on overall suicide rates but may change the number of suicides committed with guns.Guns have many positive uses, including defense of self and community, hunting, and recreation.
Update: Percent of Suicides Committed with Guns v. Per Capita Number of Guns
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The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.
The psychology of guns: risk, fear, and motivated reasoning - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
The gun debate in America is often framed as a stand-off between two immutable positions with little potential to move ahead with meaningful legislative reform. Attempts to resolve this impasse have been thwarted by thinking about gun ownership attitudes as based on rational choice economics...
Pulled from the articles -
Case-control studies have repeatedly found that gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of gun-related homicide or suicide occurring in the home
For homicides, the association is largely driven by gun-related violence committed by family members and other acquaintances, not strangers
...gun owners are unaware of risks and that repeated warnings about “overwhelming evidence” of “the health risk of a gun in the home [being] greater than the benefit”
...cognitive dissonance may lead those who already own guns to turn a blind eye to research findings about the dangers of ownership. Optimism bias, the general tendency of individuals to overestimate good outcomes and underestimate bad outcomes, can likewise make it easy to disregard dangers by externalizing them to others.
The risk of suicide can therefore be dismissed out of hand based on the rationale that “it will never happen to me”
Lerner et al., 2015 illustrate how emotions can hijack rational-decision-making processes to the point of being the dominant influence on risk assessments.
.....perceived risk judgments....hampered by emotion
...ownership is rooted in fear
...the decision to obtain a firearm is largely motivated by past victimization and/or fears of future victimization
....conservatives were uncharacteristically in favor of gun control
.....mainstream society reflexively codes white men carrying weapons in public as patriots, while marking armed black men as threats or criminals.
....gun ownership among white men may be related to a collective identity as “good guys” protecting themselves against “bad guys” who are people of color
....there is widespread belief that having a gun makes one safer, supported by published claims that where there are “more guns”, there is “less crime”....that has been “discredited"
The bottom line is that when gun owners believe that owning a gun will make them feel safer, little else may matter.
white men in economic distress find comfort in guns as a means to reestablish a sense of individual power and moral certitude
....only about 30% of the US population owns a gun
“gun free zones” may reflect a desire to recreate safe spaces in the wake of mass shootings that invoke feelings of loss of control.
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders and demographic characteristics. The study found that a large number of individuals in the United States have anger traits and also possess firearms at homeGuns, anger, and mental disorders: Results from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication (NCS-R) - PMC
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders ...
embrace their weapons “as a coping mechanism, helping to deal with the anxieties that come from fundamentally believing the world is dangerous and society doesn’t care about you.”How Owning a Gun Raises Anxiety
In the first webinar of APS’s Science for Society series on September 20, 2023, scientists and advocates shared their expertise and perspectives on the relationship between gun violence and anxiety.
How the Gun Became Integral to the Self-Identity of Millions of Americans
The firearm as a totemlike symbol of personal identity emerged from the psychological insecurities of former enslavers after the Civil War
white Southerners started cultivating the tradition of the home arsenal immediately after the Civil War because of insecurities and racial fears
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoidStudy: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid
Just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent, research suggests.
America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threatAmerica's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat
Recent wrong-place shootings have re-ignited the debate around self-defense, and experts said US gun culture is intertwined with its policies.
Gun demanding: the psychology of why people want firearms | Dean Burnett
Dean Burnett: Controlling guns is one thing, but why do so many people want them in the first place? There are numerous possible reasons.Many gun owners confess to feeling vulnerable or “naked” without their guns. Perhaps this isn’t surprising; having a gun gives you considerable power over people.Op-Ed: Why men feel the need to carry guns
Since the 1960s, the national conversation on firearms in both political and academic circles has revolved around one main question: Do guns increase crime or reduce it?
If you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, or anything like this, dealing with others can induce a great deal of social anxiety. A gun would provide at least one easy way where you can have the advantage over them for once, even if this reasoning only occurs at a subconscious level.
The fact that it’s more often men who own guns suggests masculinity (toxic or otherwise) plays a part too
In Michigan and other places hit hard by the economic downturn, men’s guns can address social insecurities far beyond crime.
Europe...
In the 1920s, they began the process of registering guns....to make their people safer. That was the lie. by the mid 1930s, the socialists in Germany began the process of banning and confiscating guns, and the same for the countries they defeated......using the gun registration lists created in the 1920s....
By 1939, the German socialists began to murder 15 million - 20 million people....in 6 years.....men, women and over 1 million children.
6 years, 15 million- 20 million murdered citizens..not war dead, innocent people rounded up and murdered in camps and forests....
Including 1 million children
15 million in 6 years.
In the United States, gun murder for our entire 247 year history?
Around 2,470,000
Europe.... 15-20 million in 6 years.
U.S..... 2,470,000 in 247 years
How many hundreds of years will it take the U.S. to catch up with the number of Europeans murdered by their governments.....
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The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.
The psychology of guns: risk, fear, and motivated reasoning - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications
The gun debate in America is often framed as a stand-off between two immutable positions with little potential to move ahead with meaningful legislative reform. Attempts to resolve this impasse have been thwarted by thinking about gun ownership attitudes as based on rational choice economics...
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Case-control studies have repeatedly found that gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of gun-related homicide or suicide occurring in the home
For homicides, the association is largely driven by gun-related violence committed by family members and other acquaintances, not strangers
...gun owners are unaware of risks and that repeated warnings about “overwhelming evidence” of “the health risk of a gun in the home [being] greater than the benefit”
...cognitive dissonance may lead those who already own guns to turn a blind eye to research findings about the dangers of ownership. Optimism bias, the general tendency of individuals to overestimate good outcomes and underestimate bad outcomes, can likewise make it easy to disregard dangers by externalizing them to others.
The risk of suicide can therefore be dismissed out of hand based on the rationale that “it will never happen to me”
Lerner et al., 2015 illustrate how emotions can hijack rational-decision-making processes to the point of being the dominant influence on risk assessments.
.....perceived risk judgments....hampered by emotion
...ownership is rooted in fear
...the decision to obtain a firearm is largely motivated by past victimization and/or fears of future victimization
....conservatives were uncharacteristically in favor of gun control
.....mainstream society reflexively codes white men carrying weapons in public as patriots, while marking armed black men as threats or criminals.
....gun ownership among white men may be related to a collective identity as “good guys” protecting themselves against “bad guys” who are people of color
....there is widespread belief that having a gun makes one safer, supported by published claims that where there are “more guns”, there is “less crime”....that has been “discredited"
The bottom line is that when gun owners believe that owning a gun will make them feel safer, little else may matter.
white men in economic distress find comfort in guns as a means to reestablish a sense of individual power and moral certitude
....only about 30% of the US population owns a gun
“gun free zones” may reflect a desire to recreate safe spaces in the wake of mass shootings that invoke feelings of loss of control.
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders and demographic characteristics. The study found that a large number of individuals in the United States have anger traits and also possess firearms at homeGuns, anger, and mental disorders: Results from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication (NCS-R) - PMC
Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders ...
embrace their weapons “as a coping mechanism, helping to deal with the anxieties that come from fundamentally believing the world is dangerous and society doesn’t care about you.”How Owning a Gun Raises Anxiety
In the first webinar of APS’s Science for Society series on September 20, 2023, scientists and advocates shared their expertise and perspectives on the relationship between gun violence and anxiety.
How the Gun Became Integral to the Self-Identity of Millions of Americans
The firearm as a totemlike symbol of personal identity emerged from the psychological insecurities of former enslavers after the Civil War
white Southerners started cultivating the tradition of the home arsenal immediately after the Civil War because of insecurities and racial fears
Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoidStudy: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid
Just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent, research suggests.
America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threatAmerica's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat
Recent wrong-place shootings have re-ignited the debate around self-defense, and experts said US gun culture is intertwined with its policies.
Gun demanding: the psychology of why people want firearms | Dean Burnett
Dean Burnett: Controlling guns is one thing, but why do so many people want them in the first place? There are numerous possible reasons.Many gun owners confess to feeling vulnerable or “naked” without their guns. Perhaps this isn’t surprising; having a gun gives you considerable power over people.Op-Ed: Why men feel the need to carry guns
Since the 1960s, the national conversation on firearms in both political and academic circles has revolved around one main question: Do guns increase crime or reduce it?
If you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, or anything like this, dealing with others can induce a great deal of social anxiety. A gun would provide at least one easy way where you can have the advantage over them for once, even if this reasoning only occurs at a subconscious level.
The fact that it’s more often men who own guns suggests masculinity (toxic or otherwise) plays a part too
In Michigan and other places hit hard by the economic downturn, men’s guns can address social insecurities far beyond crime.
Why do you want women to be raped by violent criminals?
As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse and later rape during my college years, my life’s journey is marked by determination to be more than what happened to me, constant dedication to the work of healing, being willing to push through the scars that abuse left, and committing myself to whatever it takes to never be unable to protect myself in life-threatening situations.
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Like many Americans, I did not grow up in homes where firearms were present. As a result, I relate to those individuals, frequently women, who are intimidated by firearms. I was first exposed to handguns for personal protection when I was gifted a handgun and a concealed-carry class for my 30th birthday. I was empowered by this experience and soon began spending more and more time at the range and learning to be proficient in self-defense.
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On a more personal note, as a single mother, I recognize that I am solely responsible for my daughters' safety. I never want them to be vulnerable the way I was, and like every mother I know, there is nothing I wouldn't do to protect them.
I'm a sexual assault survivor. Now I train women to use guns to protect themselves.
Americans' right to protect themselves should not be infringed or restricted. Well-meaning regulations do more harm than good.
www.usatoday.com
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Why do you and leftist men want women to be raped by violent criminals?
I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman’s best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance.
This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.
First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape “experts” considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.
Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department’s annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).
Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.
Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes, “Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion.” (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that “resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape”; this is accomplished “without creating any significant additional risk of other injury.”
The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman’s best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.
Current Gun Laws Restrict Women’s Defense
Guns Effective Defense Against Rape | GOA
By Dr. Robert J. Woolley On Oct. 3, 2000, a woman was raped near the East River Flats Park. The police report triggered headlines as well as consternation among many students and staff members. In reality, it wasn’t news, and shouldn’t have shocked anybody. Yes, it differed in several...
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Living in Arizona I still have my gun rights. I can put it in my pocket or up my ass with no worry of me being arrested or of some yahoo trying to jack me of my firearm. A Chandler police officer said it best "In Arizona no one knows who is armed so if you are thinking about jacking some little guy you better readjust your thinking. I love shooting and have my whole life. My vacations when young were spent at a deer camp or a duck blind. It always gave me an advantage especially in the military. Here in Arizona there is nothing more fun than loading up a few thousand rounds and going out in the desert for what we have always called 'all nighters'. All the old minds and towns I never get board. But I still get lost from time to time.
There is nothing more fun than trying to put a small piece of lead through the center of a bullseye from a few feet, to over a thousand yards and I have the toys to do so. It's a family thing. What gun laws?
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Apparently, the immigrant gangs that run London's illegal drug trade didn't read your links....
About one firearm is being seized from London’s streets every day, with gangs fuelling a "vicious cycle of violence, involving money, drugs and firearms", a Met Police commander has said.
Cdr Paul Brogden said over half of shootings in the capital involve gangs or organised crime, with weapons being used to control territory or threaten those who owed money.
Last month, a nine-year-old girl was left fighting for her life after a motorcyclist fired a number of shots towards a restaurant in Dalston, also injuring three men, aged 26, 37 and 42.
Recent ONS figures showed there had been a rise in overall gun crime in London, from 1,009 offences in the year ending December 2022 to 1,208 offences in the same period last year.
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One offender who was jailed last year was 44-year-old Danny Butler.
He was sentenced to 18 years after six guns, along with ammunition and drugs, were found at his home in Lambeth where he lived with his family, including an 18-month-old baby.
Officers say they found three handguns, one of which was loaded, in a children's clothes drawer, and another handgun and pump action sawn-off shotgun in a cupboard.
Det Supt Victoria Sullivan said when criminals try to hide weapons they often looked for someone who would not come to police attention, and who can be paid or pressurised to aid them.
"They pick vulnerable people within our communities and they take even more advantage of them. It's really sad to see," she said.
London gun crime: Gangs fuelling vicious cycle of violence - Met
Cdr Paul Brogden tells the BBC over half of shootings in the capital involve gangs or organised crime.
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An example of paranoia -
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An example of paranoia -
Why do you want women raped? Why do you want innocent people robbed and murdered?
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And yet, they, themselves, exercised that right, just a few years prior.
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Yes, we do target practice, shooting for sport etc.. in the UK. All that is not a problem, never has been. The problem is, people are not safe, you might be, your neighbour might, but the lunatic that shot you wasn't. Now, you will never ever stop all lunatics, but you can greatly reduce them. So all you need to do is to have a culture that thinks prancing about with guns in public is wrong, locking them away securely when not in use is the norm and a must, and the person owning the gun is mentally safe, clean police background, sound medical background, sane family members, and is not stupid to think it's required to shoot others.
Laws and regs do not stop, they reduce. That's why laws and regs on the road often change, to reduce accidents and deaths.
Gun nuts are frightened of such a system because of paranoia, "OMG my government will go tyrannical, bka blah crap", and many know they would fail the UK application process.
And how do gun nuts push this common sense to one side? MOUTH FROTH, "RIGHTS". The most retarded folk on the planet.
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What would make America safe? It isn't removing guns. To make America safer we need to remove drug abusers, criminals and mentally ill people.
Dopeheads, criminals and crazy people are the ones that go out and want to hurt other people. If we got rid of them we wouldn't need any gun control.
If we got rid of every single gun in america right now all the people who want to go out and hurt others will still be here.
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Correct, that's why guns are not removed in the UK either. Your post is just totally littered with fear and paranoia.
What would make America safe? Having a gun policy that the likes of Australia, New Zealand, UK etc.. enjoy. Plus you need a culture that has the right orientation towards guns. So how do you get this culture where you feel it's wrong to have a gun in a public place, to make sure it's well locked away and secure when not in use? Well, that takes generations, it does not and cannot happen overnight. The 'wrong minded' generations need to die out out of the old thinking.
I decide to have a shot gun. I apply for the shotgun and/or a firearm licence. Do I just buy one? Am I safe? What does my police record show? What does my medical history show? What does my driving licence show? I supply one referee for a shotgun application and two for a firearm application, they get interviewed and asked questions about me, did I pass? My household family are interviewed, did I pass? For a shotgun, they need to find something in that process to decline me. So I check out. So they turn up to my house with the shotgun licence, but they need to check I have an adequate lockable cabinet bolted to a solid wall, and a separate lockable box for the cartridges. It checks out, now I can go buy a shotgun, the gun shops won't sell a shotgun without the certificate. What about a firearm? A rifle, an Uzi? So process as before but now I need a reason. So I'm part of a shooting range, excellent, here's your licence.
I can put them in a bag or case and transport them in my car. I can lock them in my safe. I can drive to a shoot or a gun range and then use them. Deviate from that and if the police find out, kiss your guns goodbye.
Are all my enemies coming to murder me? Has my government gone tyrannical? Are criminals lying in wait for me? Are guns banned? Erm, no, that's an American paranoid problem.
Hand on heart, would you pass the test above? If you do, excellent, enjoy guns. You didn't? Oh well, you and you alone were responsible for you to be considered safe. Say to the police, "I need the gun for self defence and shoot someone". Do you think that reason will allow you that gun in the UK?
First step, scrap the 2nd A. Then as the decades move on, buy back programs, gun education, generations die out etc.. then you can feel safer.
On one side of the coin, Americans try to cheer lowering crime in the USA, how crime is bad in the UK etc.. So if that's true, you don't need to hand guns out to any Tom Dick and Harry, do you?
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