Americans claim guns make for a safe society

[2aguy]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

As the violence in britain increases because of their immigration mistakes.........let's look at how often Americans use their legal guns for self defens...

Studies on defensive gun use....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)


2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

Clinton's study by the DOJ....

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. Inclusion of multiple DGUs reported by half of the 19 NSPOF respondents increases the estimate to 4.7 million DGUs.



n the third column of Table 6.2, we apply the Kleck and Gertz (1995) criteria for "genuine" DGUs (type A), leaving us with just 19 respondents. They represent 1.5 million defensive users. This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known Kleck and Gertz estimate of 2.5 million, shown in the last

While ours is smaller, it is staistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error. to the when we include the multiple DGUs victim. defensive reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 milli

While ours is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference petrator; in most cases (69 percent), the is due to sampling error. Note that when we include the multiple DGUs reported by half our 19 respondents, our estimate increases to 4.7 million DGUs.
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As shown in Table 6.6, the defender fired his or her gun in 27 percent of these incidents (combined "fire warning shots" and "fire at perpetrator" percentages, though some respondents reported firing both warning shots and airning at the perpetrator). Forty percent of these were "warning shots," and about a third were aimed at the perpetrator but missed. The perpetrator was wounded by the crime victim in eight percent of all DGUs. In nine percent of DGUs the victim captured and held the perpetrator at gunpoint until the police could arrive.

Obama's study...

Defensive Use of Guns

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press.

Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence | The National Academies Press

 

[2aguy]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

With the increase of fatherless homes in Britain, and the immigration policies that have brought in violent, 3rd world men.......gun crime is increasing in Britain despite their gun control laws.....so saying you have lower gun murder right now......means nothing, since gun crime is increasing across Britain...with all of your gun control laws....

See...in the past....British criminals didn't commit murder.....now they are.....

2023

Gun crime in London rose by 70 per cent in the last year with a huge 120 per cent increase in Gloucestershire alongside a 17 per cent rise nationally.

Analysis of Home Office open crime data from the first two quarters of 2021-2022 and 2022-23 show that there were 4384 gun offences logged across England and Wales this year.

By contrast, knife possession across the capital dropped by 13% - although stats show there were still 1281 incidences.



Britain's gun crime epidemic: Firearm offences in London soar 70%

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8/26/23



Firearms offences in the region have rocketed by 86% – with West Midlands policerecording 1,089 gun crimes in the 12 months to March, up from 584 the previous year. The surge has seen the West Midlands, with a population of 2.9 million, overtake previous gun hotspot London, home to 8.8 million and where the Met Police – the country’s largest force – logged 1,087 gun crimes in the same period.

Birmingham named 'gun capital' of Britain with huge surge in gang violence

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Two in three police force areas in England and Wales are experiencing rising gun crime, with one force facing levels six times higher than a decade ago, Guardian analysis of Home Office data has found.

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Concerns are now being raised about the growing availability of firearms in parts of the north of England and the Midlands as some police forces are struggling to tackle rising gun crime with fewer officers than they had a decade ago.



The sharpest rise is in the north-east, where gun crime has more than tripled from an average of 91 firearms offences a year between 2009 and 2012, to 294 a year between 2019 and 2022.



In the Cleveland police area, firearms offences have risen almost sixfold, from a yearly average of 22 to 127. Durham, Sussex, Lincolnshire, Northumbria, South Yorkshire, Norfolk and Kent police have all seen numbers more than double in 10 years





Gun crime rising in two-thirds of police force areas in England and Wales

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[2aguy]

But your Muslims knocked down two towers killing thousands. Did you forget?

They weren't our muslims dumb shit......

And when your muslims go house to house to murder Jews and British citizens...what will your unarmed police do to stop them?

 

[2aguy]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

What will you do when muslims decide to commit murder? Really......what do you plan on doing to make them stop?

 

[2aguy]

It looks like your overall homicide rate has barely changed at all...

And it continues to climb for YEARS after handguns were banned.

So what the fuck are you bragging about?

Homicide rate chart UK...


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U.K. Murder/Homicide Rate 1990-2025 | MacroTrends

Intentional homicides are estimates of unlawful homicides purposely inflicted as a result of domestic disputes, interpersonal violence, violent conflicts over land resources, intergang violence over turf or control, and predatory violence and killing by armed groups. Intentional homicide does...

www.macrotrends.net

He is going to learn..........the immigrant drug gangs in Britain do not fear the British police.....especially after the police arrest British citizens while giving a pass to muslim criminals...

 

[2aguy]

Yeah....gun crime isn't going down anytime soon in Britain...

A nine-year-old girl is among six people who have been shot in the space of 15 days in London.

Girl, 9, among six people shot in the space of 15 days in London

A nine-year-old girl is among six people who have been shot in the space of 15 days in London.

www.hackneygazette.co.uk

 

[AZrailwhale]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

The USA is far safer than the UK. Serious assault USA=280.05 per 100,000 UK=925.4 per 100,000. Robberies, rapes, home invasions are all much more common in the UK than the USA. The only indice lower in the UK is gun violence.

 

[AZrailwhale]

But your Muslims knocked down two towers killing thousands. Did you forget?

They weren’t our Muslims. None of them were legal residents or citizens.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The UK has 1,200 violent crimes per 100,000 population, the U.S. 380. He's full of shit, is all.

He ignores all the rest of the violent crimes because the UK is a far more dangerous place than the USA.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

UK - In 2021 Gun homicides was 35

USA - In 2021 Gun homicides was 21,000

In the UK, 0.08 per 100,000 are killed by knives

In the USA, 0.6 per 100,000 are killed by knives

So clearly guns have the opposite effect.

Don't care

 

[Stryder50]

He ignores all the rest of the violent crimes because the UK is a far more dangerous place than the USA.

Interestingly it seems that "murder" is a common theme and topic among the English.
My wife is a bit of an anglophile and it seems nearly half of their TV programing is centered around killing each other in assorted "quaint" ways. Who needs guns/firearms when it seems the Brits are inventive to find assorted other ways to kill off their fellow country-persons.

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village​

Your Guide To Not Getting Murdered In A Quaint English Village​

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village - Goodrea​

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village​

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village​

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Of course from this point we could start to pull up all the 'web' reads on classice murder dectives such as Sherlock Holmes, Hrucle Poirot, ... etc.

Sherlock Holmes - Wikipedia​

Agatha Christie - Wikipedia​

Hercule Poirot Novels by Agatha Christie - Agatha Christie​

Hercule Poirot Series by Agatha Christie - Goodreads​

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I've often said to the wife; "It's a wonder that anyone is left alive in the UK."

 

[DudleySmith]

Interestingly it seems that "murder" is a common theme and topic among the English.
My wife is a bit of an anglophile and it seems nearly half of their TV programing is centered around killing each other in assorted "quaint" ways. Who needs guns/firearms when it seems the Brits are inventive to find assorted other ways to kill off their fellow country-persons.

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village​

Your Guide To Not Getting Murdered In A Quaint English Village​

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village - Goodrea​

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village​

Your Guide to Not Getting Murdered in a Quaint English Village​

....
Of course from this point we could start to pull up all the 'web' reads on classice murder dectives such as Sherlock Holmes, Hrucle Poirot, ... etc.

Sherlock Holmes - Wikipedia​

Agatha Christie - Wikipedia​

Hercule Poirot Novels by Agatha Christie - Agatha Christie​

Hercule Poirot Series by Agatha Christie - Goodreads​

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I've often said to the wife; "It's a wonder that anyone is left alive in the UK."

But what about Cabot Cove? population 3,500, 274 murders,

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not sure why we bother with these debates as to the pros and cons of guns in the US and other countries.
The right to keep and bear arm is not subject to means-ends tests.
This renders all these conversations moot.

 

[2aguy]

He ignores all the rest of the violent crimes because the UK is a far more dangerous place than the USA.

And getting worse........and their citizens will just have to accept it...the rapes, the beatings, and soon...the murders....because they allowed their government to take their guns...on the promise it would make them safer........it will not......as they will see as the muslims ramp up their violence and hate...

 

[2aguy]

Not sure why we bother with these debates as to the pros and cons of guns in the US and other countries.
The right to keep and bear arm is not subject to means-ends tests.
This renders all these conversations moot.

I do it to improve my skills and to inform people who might be drive by observers of the discussion......the American anti-gun extremists lie about these foreign countries as a way to convince uninformed Americans that gun control will keep them safer......we need to crush that stupidity as much as possible because the vote of an uninformed American counts the same.....

 

[Stryder50]

Not sure why we bother with these debates as to the pros and cons of guns in the US and other countries.
The right to keep and bear arm is not subject to means-ends tests.
This renders all these conversations moot.

If the Dem. VP Skank gets elected this November, it will be far from moot.
From her opener yesterday;
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On gun violence, Harris emphasized the need for stricter gun control measures, including universal background checks and an assault weapons ban. She pledged to work towards ending gun violence and keeping communities safe.

"We will finally pass red flag laws, universal background checks, and an assault weapons ban," Harris said.
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MSN

 

[Stryder50]

Not sure why we bother with these debates as to the pros and cons of guns in the US and other countries.
The right to keep and bear arm is not subject to means-ends tests.
This renders all these conversations moot.

Because stupid, lying, clowns like "captain caveman" fail to consider or present something like this;

The Armed Citizen® July 22, 2024​

Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives.
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An Official Journal Of The NRA | The Armed Citizen®

Millions of Americans use firearms to defend themselves, their families and their homes. We highlight the remarkable stories of these Armed Citizens every week.

www.americanrifleman.org

 

[M14 Shooter]

If the Dem. VP Skank gets elected this November, it will be far from moot.

The faster she enacts those laws, the faster the USSC overturns them.

 

[Stryder50]

The faster she enacts those laws, the faster the USSC overturns them.

We should hope so.
Unless ...
She gets away with the Marxist-Leftist-DemocRAT plan to enlarge the USSC and then pack those new positions with Leftist "judges".

All the more reason to see her not elected.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The psychology behind guns is, if you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, then you want to own a gun to give you the feeling of power over other people. Paranoia, anger, and insecurity gives the person social anxiety and owning a gun is a quick and simple solution, but they're the most unsuitable person behind a firearm. It creates a shoot first, ask questions later scenario.

The psychology of guns: risk, fear, and motivated reasoning - Humanities and Social Sciences Communications

The gun debate in America is often framed as a stand-off between two immutable positions with little potential to move ahead with meaningful legislative reform. Attempts to resolve this impasse have been thwarted by thinking about gun ownership attitudes as based on rational choice economics...

www.nature.com

Pulled from the articles -

Case-control studies have repeatedly found that gun ownership is associated with an increased risk of gun-related homicide or suicide occurring in the home
For homicides, the association is largely driven by gun-related violence committed by family members and other acquaintances, not strangers
...gun owners are unaware of risks and that repeated warnings about “overwhelming evidence” of “the health risk of a gun in the home [being] greater than the benefit”
...cognitive dissonance may lead those who already own guns to turn a blind eye to research findings about the dangers of ownership. Optimism bias, the general tendency of individuals to overestimate good outcomes and underestimate bad outcomes, can likewise make it easy to disregard dangers by externalizing them to others.
The risk of suicide can therefore be dismissed out of hand based on the rationale that “it will never happen to me”
Lerner et al., 2015 illustrate how emotions can hijack rational-decision-making processes to the point of being the dominant influence on risk assessments.
.....perceived risk judgments....hampered by emotion
...ownership is rooted in fear
...the decision to obtain a firearm is largely motivated by past victimization and/or fears of future victimization
....conservatives were uncharacteristically in favor of gun control
.....mainstream society reflexively codes white men carrying weapons in public as patriots, while marking armed black men as threats or criminals.
....gun ownership among white men may be related to a collective identity as “good guys” protecting themselves against “bad guys” who are people of color
....there is widespread belief that having a gun makes one safer, supported by published claims that where there are “more guns”, there is “less crime”....that has been “discredited"
The bottom line is that when gun owners believe that owning a gun will make them feel safer, little else may matter.
white men in economic distress find comfort in guns as a means to reestablish a sense of individual power and moral certitude
....only about 30% of the US population owns a gun
“gun free zones” may reflect a desire to recreate safe spaces in the wake of mass shootings that invoke feelings of loss of control.

Guns, anger, and mental disorders: Results from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication (NCS-R) - PMC

Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Analyses from the National Comorbidity Study Replication provide the first nationally-representative estimates of the co-occurrence of pathological anger traits and possessing or carrying a gun among adults with and without certain mental disorders and demographic characteristics. The study found that a large number of individuals in the United States have anger traits and also possess firearms at home

How Owning a Gun Raises Anxiety

In the first webinar of APS’s Science for Society series on September 20, 2023, scientists and advocates shared their expertise and perspectives on the relationship between gun violence and anxiety.

www.psychologicalscience.org

embrace their weapons “as a coping mechanism, helping to deal with the anxieties that come from fundamentally believing the world is dangerous and society doesn’t care about you.”

How the Gun Became Integral to the Self-Identity of Millions of Americans

The firearm as a totemlike symbol of personal identity emerged from the psychological insecurities of former enslavers after the Civil War

www.scientificamerican.com

white Southerners started cultivating the tradition of the home arsenal immediately after the Civil War because of insecurities and racial fears

Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid

Just picking up a gun suddenly make the world appear more violent, research suggests.

www.zdnet.com

Study: Carrying a gun can make you more paranoid

America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat

Recent wrong-place shootings have re-ignited the debate around self-defense, and experts said US gun culture is intertwined with its policies.

www.businessinsider.com

America's gun culture is empowering people to shoot others, even when they're not a threat

Gun demanding: the psychology of why people want firearms | Dean Burnett

Dean Burnett: Controlling guns is one thing, but why do so many people want them in the first place? There are numerous possible reasons.

www.theguardian.com

Op-Ed: Why men feel the need to carry guns

Since the 1960s, the national conversation on firearms in both political and academic circles has revolved around one main question: Do guns increase crime or reduce it?

www.latimes.com

Many gun owners confess to feeling vulnerable or “naked” without their guns. Perhaps this isn’t surprising; having a gun gives you considerable power over people.

If you feel small, or weak, or underachieving, or anything like this, dealing with others can induce a great deal of social anxiety. A gun would provide at least one easy way where you can have the advantage over them for once, even if this reasoning only occurs at a subconscious level.
The fact that it’s more often men who own guns suggests masculinity (toxic or otherwise) plays a part too
In Michigan and other places hit hard by the economic downturn, men’s guns can address social insecurities far beyond crime.